TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 6

[Tim_Riggins]

Comparing it to Green Lantern, Ghost Rider, oh my, SHOTS FIRED

 

[Tony Stark]

I actually saw a screening of MOS on Tuesday night and feel like the critics aren't being fair. They are actually giving this movie more leeway because it is Superman. If this was a lesser character with less history in the mainstream it would be more harshly criticized. As you can tell I was sorely disappointed. This wasn't the the Superman I thought we were going to get, just a steroid induced version of it. No character development and tons of action maketh not a good comic book movie. It's transferring the collective pages of that characters history and translating it to screen in a respectable manner that creates something worth watching. Nolan and Whedon succeeded in both regards. Though TA and TDKR have their faults, they're head and shoulders above this. MOS would be more comparable to say Green Lantern, the first HULK and Ghostrider (more style over substance). Whomever did the casting, great job! Whoever did the editing, my god!
Here's to hoping Goyer isn't busy on a JLA script.

What was your opinion of the handheld camera angles? I've heard mixed reaction on them. I'm not a big fan of the shaky cam stuff.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

screw the reviews! just make up you own mind about the film

a lot of these reviewers are crying that there's too much action, not enough humor, not as "good" as the Donner film, etc.

to be perfectly frank with all of you and i know i will get a lot of hate, i thought the Donner film is cheesy as hell. the only saving grace of that film is Christopher Reeve.

 

[Autonet]

Lets look at goyers screenplay record

Goyer wrote Jumper? That movie was pretty bad.

 

[747]

At this point I'm kinda hoping it will be rotten. If I love it as much as I hope I will, it will be even more fun being on the loving side if it's divisive and rotten than divisive and fresh.

 

[slimshady247]

It keeps jumping between 59 and 60%. Hrm.

At this point I'm kinda hoping it will be rotten. If I love it as much as I hope I will, it will be more fun being on the loving side.

That statement made literally no sense.

 

[JAK®]

Goyer's scripts are strong in terms of concepts and themes but fail in terms of actually fleshing that stuff out. It takes a good director to make them work.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Goyer is very very miss, but it sounds like he did a good job overall on MOS, I can understand how some would want more character and less destruction in the last act (haven't seen it yet), but if it's kickass action, I'm in, they probably overcompensated on the action to avoid the same complaints as Returns, and this is where Snyder shines.

I think the massive action in The Avengers is given a pass because the movie is good pop corn fun, that doesnt try to be more than it is, it knows what it is, even Whedon himself admits it's not a great movie.

 

[Infinity9999x]

screw the reviews! just make up you own mind about the film

a lot of these reviewers are crying that there's too much action, not enough humor, not as "good" as the Donner film, etc.

to be perfectly frank with all of you and i know i will get a lot of hate, i thought the Donner film is cheesy as hell. the only saving grace of that film is Christopher Reeve.

I'm in the same vein. I'm going to wait until I see the film to form my opinion, but one thing I do know is that making it different from the Donner film is not a bad thing in my book. I just never got into it. I wasn't a fan of the style or slightly more campy humor. As a kid I thought it was boring.

I don't think it's a bad film, but it wouldn't crack the top ten of my all time Superhero flicks.

I am a little disappointed at the reviews it's getting, if only because I'd like to see all Superhero films do well because it helps the genre as a whole. But I'll be happy if this is a TASM quality level. That movie had issues yes, but it had more then enough bright spots in it to warrant a sequel with tons of potential.

 

[Nilso]

Just curious... what DID you think/hope we were going to get?

I honestly was hoping for something more original (New Villain).
I know it's an origin story and you can't really mix it up, but it felt overstuffed even though it was 2.5 hours long. Even the special effects felt overdone toward the end. Slow it down and I'm not talking slow motion. Let us get to know Clark, not every person/child knows the character. I enjoy a good brawl but if they would have spent 30 minutes developing their main hero and had a good kick ass fight for 20 min, it would have significantly improved this film.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Did they not spend the entire first part of the movie exploring Clark as a character, through flashbacks of his childhood and his time in the arctic? I saw one review saying he doesn't even put the suit on until an hour in... which most people would probably complain about

And i'm a bit confused... we new it was going to be Zod, so how could you have gone in hoping for a New Villain?

Sounds a bit like you'd made you mind up about that part already...

 

[Mjölnir]

Goyer is very very miss, but it sounds like he did a good job overall on MOS, I can understand how some would want more character and less destruction in the last act (haven't seen it yet), but if it's kickass action, I'm in, they probably overcompensated on the action to avoid the same complaints as Returns, and this is where Snyder shines.

I think the massive action in The Avengers is given a pass because the movie is good pop corn fun, that doesnt try to be more than it is, it knows what it is, even Whedon himself admits it's not a great movie.

I think The Avengers get a pass because the film really earns all the action scenes. There's a lot of things happening that tell things about the characters, or refer back to something. It's not a mindless popcorn film, it's a cleverly written film and Whedon is very good at directing actors so the characters are fronted more than the action.

That's what I want in the MOS action as well, the characters meaning more than the action itself.

 

[ThreadPool]

I wanna invite all the critics to sign up for the Hype, open a private thread just for them and watch them debate.

It'd be interesting to see Peter Travers and like Rex Reed arguing it out. lol

- Jow

Rex Reed... I doubt he has the capability to debate anything without reverting to juvenile insults.

 

[747]

It keeps jumping between 59 and 60%. Hrm.



That statement made literally no sense.

I mean of course I would love if the critics loved it. But if it's gonna end up in the percentage area it is in now, I don't mind if it's rotten rather than fresh. 60% or 59%? If it's gonna be considered a critical failure it might as well be it for real.

 

[The Eradicator]

Although I'm surprised and somewhat disappointed at the low rating on RT thus far, let's not forget that the original cut of the film was longer.

Perhaps if we get an extended cut on blu-ray/DVD, that could resolve some of the issues people have with the film.

 

[Dragon_316ca]

I noticed the contrarian critic, Armond White haven't published his review yet (or maybe he doesn't wants to see it). It'll be hilarious to read, no matter what the verdict is.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Although I'm surprised and somewhat disappointed at the low rating on RT thus far, let's not forget that the original cut of the film was longer.

Perhaps if we get an extended cut on blu-ray/DVD, that could resolve some of the issues people have with the film.

Zack Snyder said this is his theatrical cut, there's no extended version.

 

[Hyde]

So is it for every two fresh, it goes up 1%, and for every one rotten it goes down a percentage?

 

[Nilso]

Did they not spend the entire first part of the movie exploring Clark as a character, through flashbacks of his childhood and his time in the arctic? I saw one review saying he doesn't even put the suit on until an hour in... which most people would probably complain about

And i'm a bit confused... we new it was going to be Zod, so how could you have gone in hoping for a New Villain?

Sounds a bit like you'd made you mind up about that part already...

The movie is poorly edited. We know what the suit is and the last half of the film he is constantly in the suit.

I was willing to give Zod a shot and Shannon is a great actor but really the script grounds him. I mean Zod comes off as just a military man doing his job.

 

[king666]

It keeps jumping between 59 and 60%. Hrm.

61% now!

 

[Mjölnir]

So is it for every two fresh, it goes up 1%, and for every one rotten it goes down a percentage?

Not quite. Being that it's at roughly 61% positive the rotten reviews will change the overall about 50% more than a fresh one. The higher positive it gets, the more each new rotten will mean and vice versa. It's just normal percentages.

 

[danoyse]

I noticed the contrarian critic, Armond White haven't published his review yet (or maybe he doesn't wants to see it). It'll be hilarious to read, no matter what the verdict is.

He's not on RT anymore.

 

[Tony Stark]

I think The Avengers get a pass because the film really earns all the action scenes. There's a lot of things happening that tell things about the characters, or refer back to something. It's not a mindless popcorn film, it's a cleverly written film and Whedon is very good at directing actors so the characters are fronted more than the action.

That's what I want in the MOS action as well, the characters meaning more than the action itself.

Agreed, Avengers was smartly written, and the dialogue is great. I was amazed how it could jump from Thor and Loki having a heavy grandiose conversation to the next scene where Tony and Thor are fighting and Tony is poking fun at the whole situation.

What I fear from the reviews is that MoS takes itself too seriously and misses some of the light hearted moments for trying to be this heavy handed origin story. That works for Batman because Bruce is a dark scarred character, but it doesn't work for Superman.

 

[Sup3rman81]

61% now!

Yep 65/41 the positive reviews are coming in now

 

[Anjow1060]

Yep 65/41 the positive reviews are coming in now

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It's going to be split semi-even whichever way it lands.

Don't put too much stake in it. Just go see the movie at this point and decide for yourself.

- Jow