Supergirl Tyler Hoechlin IS Superman - Part 2

[Herolee10]

I disagree that he did nothing in Part 1 he was the bullet they thought would take down Amazo, it didn’t work but then they couldn’t have held Amazo there without him. He also was there as support for Kara in Part 1 when she needed to have that talk about her quitting the DEO.


Part Three he was the one they gave the book too as the others couldn’t rewrite reality, he was the one who had the knowledge of the scripture too as he stated in the Fortress to Barry and Oliver.


You know what I think Superman was a victim of in this episode, the budget. I think we didn’t get to see him do as much in red and blue (I’ll admit that bothered me too) because they didn’t have the money for it. So part three most of his FX stuff was done with the Black Suit version.


But then think of this he got scenes on the Smallville Farm, we even got a scene or him and Lois in the Fortress. To me that felt as much a back door pilot as Batwomans stuff in Part Two did which I also think she didn’t get enough to do (weird I’m not hearing people complain about that much).


Dare I say I think Kara actually got more of the shaft this crossover than anyone.

Didn't you know BH/HHH that I had copyrighted the term "Shaft" to be exclusive to Superman only?

Honestly from the reactions that I've read online, it seems like people were more invested in the several Batman Easter eggs that were present in the Gotham portion of the crossover than Batwoman herself.

I would argue that Tyler made more of an impact in his first two episodes of Superman than the actress portraying Batwoman did in her crossover debut, which is probably why I haven't seen many people complaining for how limited her role was in this year's event.

Honestly, as great as it was to see Martian Manhunter and Brainiac 5 show up in the end, they really didn't leave much of a lasting impact to warrant the budget used for their appearances alone. It would have probably been more better to scrap them out of the crossover and use that budget to create more VFX sequences for our regular version of Superman.

Hell, we didn't even really need Amazo to show up again in the end. We could have just had Tyler's Superman sneak up behind Deagon's version and put him in a headlock so that Oliver could get a clean shot at him.

 

[Superchan]

I disagree that he did nothing in Part 1 he was the bullet they thought would take down Amazo, it didn’t work but then they couldn’t have held Amazo there without him. He also was there as support for Kara in Part 1 when she needed to have that talk about her quitting the DEO.


Part Three he was the one they gave the book too as the others couldn’t rewrite reality, he was the one who had the knowledge of the scripture too as he stated in the Fortress to Barry and Oliver.


You know what I think Superman was a victim of in this episode, the budget. I think we didn’t get to see him do as much in red and blue (I’ll admit that bothered me too) because they didn’t have the money for it. So part three most of his FX stuff was done with the Black Suit version.


But then think of this he got scenes on the Smallville Farm, we even got a scene or him and Lois in the Fortress. To me that felt as much a back door pilot as Batwomans stuff in Part Two did which I also think she didn’t get enough to do (weird I’m not hearing people complain about that much).


Dare I say I think Kara actually got more of the shaft this crossover than anyone.

Almost taking out Amazo and almost rewriting reality doesn't count. If you look at those episodes and take out superman out of them nothing would change, kara would've helped save the day with or without his little pep talk. Again I understand that he was a guest star and I didn't need to see him save the day but a modicum of contribution to the overall event would've been appreciated.
You mention him supporting kara and I really liked that and I even liked him telling her that she's better than he is and that he's happy to leave earth in her hands because being a supportive individual devoid of any ego is what I expect from Clark kent, hence like i said before I really liked this superman's personality.
I like how the show ended with superman leaving earth and (hopefully) never coming back and maybe now the producers can focus on making supergirl a strong character through actual writing and character development rather than relying on making superman useless to pump up her status.

 

[vantheman77]

Wishful thinking if you believe Crisis can be done without Superman and Lois Lane.

 

[Herolee10]

Wishful thinking if you believe Crisis can be done without Superman and Lois Lane.

Well there was a time where we all thought that the Justice League could not be formed without Superman involved and we know how that went.

The Arrowverse has been well established using several other heroes so if the producers do not feel thay Superman is required then they will proceed without him.

 

[LL2K2]

Wishful thinking if you believe Crisis can be done without Superman and Lois Lane.

I will say this right now: We all know Oliver made a deal with the Monitor to spare Barry's and Kara's lives (since they both die in the original Crisis). Quite possibly, he's offering his life for theirs. But someone else may have to die to even it out.

If they flip the script and kill off the Earth-38 Superman, I will be livid.

 

[Dark Raven]

I will say this right now: We all know Oliver made a deal with the Monitor to spare Barry's and Kara's lives (since they both die in the original Crisis). Quite possibly, he's offering his life for theirs. But someone else may have to die to even it out.

If they flip the script and kill off the Earth-38 Superman, I will be livid.

What if Oliver sacrificed other people instead like Sherloque, Iris, Felicity, Diaz, etc

 

[vantheman77]

If Oliver sacrificed other people, that will not sit well with others. He's going to end up with more problems.

If he were to sacrifice Superman, Oliver would end up dealing with both Lois and Supergirl.

 

[vantheman77]

I will say this right now: We all know Oliver made a deal with the Monitor to spare Barry's and Kara's lives (since they both die in the original Crisis). Quite possibly, he's offering his life for theirs. But someone else may have to die to even it out.

If they flip the script and kill off the Earth-38 Superman, I will be livid.

So will I and we will be left with no live-action Superman. Producers were open to using more Superman and Lois down the line.

The next time we see Superman and Lois, it definitely be in Crisis and you can't do Crisis without Superman. You need his help in dealing with the Anti-Monitor and the anti-matter shadow warriors.

 

[The Guard]

Someone has to be there to hold Supergirl's body. It's The Crisis.

 

[vantheman77]

I also want to see The Flash standing over Psycho-Pirate and facing the Anti-Monitor!!

 

[LL2K2]

Someone has to be there to hold Supergirl's body. It's The Crisis.

Well, he kinda did that already. Of course, Kara wasn't dead.

 

[LL2K2]

Get ready to match the stars...Tyler Hoechlin is one of the panelists on tonight's season premiere of Match Game on ABC.

I believe this is the first time any Superman actor has ever appeared on this or any version of the popular game show.

Watch Match Game TV Show - ABC.com

 

[Herolee10]

You know, after seeing the trailers from Krypton's second season, it really made me wish even more that we could get a live action Superman TV series. There is just so much untapped potential.

 

[vantheman77]

If the movie isn’t prioritizing Superman, give him over to the TV department.

 

[Jordacar]

It'd be a hell of a thing to open the show well after a lot of the iconic lore has already happened and get right to the fresh original-ish stories. But you could do it with the big blue boy scout.

 

[flickchick85]

It'd be a hell of a thing to open the show well after a lot of the iconic lore has already happened and get right to the fresh original-ish stories. But you could do it with the big blue boy scout.

It would basically be a sort of TV version of Rebirth. Which I'd be totally ok with, as I LOVE Family Man Supes.

 

[Jordacar]

I'd love to see Kara's arrival from Clark's POV

I thought I was the only one.

 

[flickchick85]

I'd love to see Kara's arrival from Clark's POV

I thought I was the only one.

That could always be done via flashbacks, as I'd like to see it too. Though they'd have to change Young Kara actresses AGAIN, lol.

 

[LL2K2]

I've felt for the longest time that the best way to incorporate Superman's origin into the Arrowverse would be to do a mini-series or limited series (the latter of which seems to be the new trend). There's a lot we know about this version of Clark/Superman other than his classic origin story:

- We know he was affiliated with the Legion of Super-Heroes at one point. This is evidenced by a flight ring displayed in the Fortress of Solitude (S1E15 "Solitude").
- We know Superman was also affiliated with the DEO when he first started out, but he left when he and Hank/J'onn had a falling out over whether the agency should keep the deadly element they found together (Kryptonite) on hand (S2E1/S2E2 "The Adventures of Supergirl" and "The Last Children of Krypton").
- We know at least one of the Kents is still alive, and it's pretty much a given it's Martha. In the conclusion to the "Elseworlds" crossover (S4E9), Clark mentioned wanting to tidy up the barn so it would 'look good for Ma.' But, he doesn't mention Jonathan at all.

But there's a lot we don't:

- What were his days in Smallville like? When did he discover his powers? Did he travel the world (as depicted in Superman: Birthright)?
- At which point did he decide to use his powers for good and become Superman?
- How did he meet Lois and James (Jimmy)?
- What was his reaction when he found Kara's pod (that could be the final part)?

 

[flickchick85]

My ideal scenario for THIS Supes has always been: Birthright-esque mini-series giving us his origin, which would cover maybe the first 6-months to a year of his superhero career. Then that would be followed up by a Rebirth-esque regular series, set post-Supergirl featuring sporadic guest appearances from Supergirl like he did on her show. That series would occasionally fill in the gaps between the origin and Supergirl via relevant flashbacks when villains show up that he's got a pre-existing history with, or when he's got some sort of issues with Lois in the present day that would facilitate flashbacks to the early days of their relationship, or issues with Supergirl that would facilitate similar flashbacks to when he first found her, things like that. I'm not saying flashbacks every episode or anything like that (I'd hate for it to become a required formula of the series like with Arrow), but like on this season of SG, two of the strongest episodes - "Man of Steel" and "House of L" - were flashbacks eps, so just include a couple of those each season of the Supes show whenever it would actually be relevant to what's happening in the present, and you'd be good, imo. For example, when the Kryptonite issue inevitably comes into play at some point in the current arc, they could do a flashback ep chronicling Supes' early experiences with the substance, throwing in bits from Darwyn Cooke's Kryptonite, the stuff with Hank and the DEO, and maybe even a little bit of Superman/Batman: The Search for Kryptonite.

Budget-wise, the average Arrowverse show I believe costs around $50-60mil a year, spread across 22-ish episodes. If you gave that same yearly budget to the 4-6 episode mini-series, you'd be looking at an early GoT-level budget, and if you gave the same budget to a 10-to-13-episode regular series, you'd still have a Supes show with a bigger budget than any of the Marvel/Netflix stuff at least. I think that would easily get them enough buzz/ratings/digital purchases to justify the investment, despite not covering as much of their schedule.

Also, recast Lois. I've watched Elseworlds 3 times now, and each time I see it, I like Tulloch less.

 

[Jordacar]

- We know he was affiliated with the Legion of Super-Heroes at one point. This is evidenced by a flight ring displayed in the Fortress of Solitude (S1E15 "Solitude").
- We know Superman was also affiliated with the DEO when he first started out, but he left when he and Hank/J'onn had a falling out over whether the agency should keep the deadly element they found together (Kryptonite) on hand (S2E1/S2E2 "The Adventures of Supergirl" and "The Last Children of Krypton").
- We know at least one of the Kents is still alive, and it's pretty much a given it's Martha. In the conclusion to the "Elseworlds" crossover (S4E9), Clark mentioned wanting to tidy up the barn so it would 'look good for Ma.' But, he doesn't mention Jonathan at all.

We also know that he and Lex started as friends before Lex showed his true colors, calling back to both "Smallville" and the old Superboy comics.

My ideal scenario for THIS Supes has always been: Birthright-esque mini-series giving us his origin, which would cover maybe the first 6-months to a year of his superhero career.

I love Birthright, it's my favorite version of the origin. More Birthright all day every day.

Also, recast Lois. I've watched Elseworlds 3 times now, and each time I see it, I like Tulloch less.

I loved Tulloch. More Tulloch all day every day.

 

[Kelly]

I'm not sure how much more they will be using Cryer, he is very expensive. I think Dreamer's CGI went to Cryer's paycheck...

 

[flickchick85]

Tyler is apparently voicing Sephiroth in the new upcoming Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Pretty iconic character in the video game world, and following in the footsteps of another Superman actor, George Newbern.

 

[Dr.]

Trailer for the Netflix series Another Life:



Not sure how good it’ll be (it looks somewhat “pulpy” and B-movie-ish). And Katee Sackhoff is the main star. But Hoechlin is among the supporting cast.

 

[Dark Raven]

Trailer for the Netflix series Another Life:



Not sure how good it’ll be (it looks somewhat “pulpy” and B-movie-ish). And Katee Sackhoff is the main star. But Hoechlin is among the supporting cast.

What is this? A sci-fi horror series like Alien? Or is it just mostly a sci-fi series? I'm trying to figure out how much horror plays into it.