The Dark Knight Rises What could make "BATMAN III" more epic then Dark Knight?

[Abraham]

How is that a Tarantino-thing... you realize thats been around since like the 40s right... it happens at the end of Predator as a throw-back to old movies... the end of Scream 3 as well...

 

[Boom]

I don't think it needs to be 'more epic' than TDK. I honestly think it would be a mistake to try. All Batman 3 needs to do is tell a good story, like Begins did.

This.

Honestly, I hate that mentality - that everything in the sequel has to be bigger and better in an attempt to outdo its predecessor.

I'm not saying they shouldn't try to make a superior product. But I'd rather they focused more on just telling a damn good story than worry about living up to TDK's success.

 

[LightningFlash]

Trying to get more "epic" than the previous film is a very bad way to go, imo.

I mean, take it for Return of the Jedi...being right after Empire Strikes Back, it wasn't as "epic" as the second film, but it completed that trilogy in a way to have the fans satisfied for an amazing three films.

And then also, studios will try their very best to make you up the ante when it comes to a third film, as Sony did with Spider-Man 3. And Raimi wasn't, at first, trying to out-do the second film because he only wanted Sandman and Vulture, two villains that even together doesn't equal as much of a threat as Doc Ock did, but Arad and Sony kept pushing Venom and the symbiote into the third film and even though if done right, Venom and Sandman could have worked well, although Raimi was too distraught with all of those storylines, including the addition of Captain and Gwen Stacy, that made Spider-Man 3 fall through.

And with both of those, I doubt Warner Bros. will push any characters into Batman 3, as I doubt Nolan would even listen to their suggestions as he knows what he's doing; he knew what he was doing ever since he made Following. And he has even mentioned that out-doing The Dark Knight isn't needed. Nolan is for surely doing the right thing.

And I doubt Jonah Nolan planned to write a screenplay that out-does TDK as well.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

How is that a Tarantino-thing... you realize thats been around since like the 40s right... it happens at the end of Predator as a throw-back to old movies... the end of Scream 3 as well...

Was just about to say this. Thanks, Abraham!

The "Final Role Call" has been a techique employed by filmmakers for generations. And if they chose the right clips from the actors and put Zimmers music over the top of it, it'd be FAR from cheesy.
In fact, a lot of geeks'd probably leave the theater with"something in their eye".

 

[Mr. Earle]

I dont like it. It destroys the illusion of make believe when you see Bruce Wayne and there is a sign "Christian Bale". I mean, i know its him, but i dont need that crap at the end of the movie to remind me.

Its only fun when they show the funny bloopers from Jackie Chan's movies.

 

[wayneson]

Whether or not he is part of the narrative or just a cameo at the end, I want Ra's to appear - I want Bruce to know, by the time the film ends, that Ra's is NOT dead, and still poses a threat to the people of Gotham and the world.

 

[luke1234]

Whether or not he is part of the narrative or just a cameo at the end, I want Ra's to appear - I want Bruce to know, by the time the film ends, that Ra's is NOT dead, and still poses a threat to the people of Gotham and the world.

wait wait wait. hold up here. Im pretty sure he blew up. 100% sure actually.

 

[raybia]

If an unnecessary thread, then by all means, do close it. Couldn't find a similar thread about that around here (but I probably overlooked it?)

The Dark Knight is not only one of the absolute best movies I've ever seen (it's certainly the most intense, there's no contest). It's also one of the most, how should I put it, majestic and most epic films I've ever seen. It completely took my breath away. Even more so then AVATAR did visually, and I mean that completely. Dark Knight was so HUGE in every way, that it brought tears to my eyes. Gordon's closure speech, anyone! (you know we all choked up). The movie was already big enough, and in the final ten minutes of the flick something spectacular happened. It rose from epic to E-P-I-C! So relentlessly majestic and beautiful, that it WOULD make a grown man cry.

Listen to me go on. Sorry! Can Bats 3 become more epic then TDK??? What IS epic in its purest form? Cause we all know the word "epic" gets thrown around all the time, and most of the time it's not epicness at all. Do any of you guys have a clear picture within your heads as to HOW in the freaken hell the third picture could become bigger in that area? And what will it take? Hope to hear some clever answers

Flying Monkeys! Every movie that had them was an epic

 

[DCnightwing23]

Honestly, i dont think if this movie is gonna be more epic then tdk your goal should be to make it better. That shouldnt be the goal for the third movie. Finish the story the way nolan has envisioned it, i think your goal is to make it true to this past two films and should to finish it the way its ment to finish. If your intention is to upstage whats already imo the best movie of all-time then your just gonna fail.

 

[aty990]

I can not see why people are saying that no movie will ever top The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight certainly was also my favorite film of all time. However, I think that there is absolutely no reason why people should assume the film cannot be defeated. Nolan has a way of doing better with each film that he directs. Yes, the reviews for Inception are in, and all have given extremely high scores, though, I will wait to view the film before judging. Should they not at least attempt to top the film? Take a chance! Just because Heath Ledger's performance as Joker was top notch, does not mean that he can not be topped. An actor will come along and do a better job than Ledger and some will refuse to acknowledge because they are stuck in that mind-set.

 

[Two-Face]

I can not see why people are saying that no movie will ever top The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight certainly was also my favorite film of all time. However, I think that there is absolutely no reason why people should assume the film cannot be defeated. Nolan has a way of doing better with each film that he directs. Yes, the reviews for Inception are in, and all have given extremely high scores, though, I will wait to view the film before judging. Should they not at least attempt to top the film? Take a chance! Just because Heath Ledger's performance as Joker was top notch, does not mean that he can not be topped. An actor will come along and do a better job than Ledger and some will refuse to acknowledge because they are stuck in that mind-set.

Simple It doesn't need to top TDK just need a good movie, Anybody playing Joker doesn't need to top Ledger. Usually third movies sucks cos they wanna make it better, bigger then it fails it tries it to make those things.

 

[aty990]

I understand what you are saying. I am trusting that Nolan will make Batman 3 a good movie as you say. Anyways, I strongly feel that Nolan always makes an excellent movie. The man can only keep improving, unless, of course he slacks, which is a possibility, but, highly improbable. They don't need to top Heath Ledger, but shouldn't they at least try? A few examples have proven that threes are the best in a trilogy, so this is possible.

 

[Crook]

People suggesting B3 merely needs to be a good movie is selling the hype short. While it certainly doesn't need to approach the production with a "BIGGER! BETTER! BADDER!" mentality, it absolutely needs to at the very least maintain the bar that TDK raised.

Good is simply not good enough. It needs to be as great as TDK was.

 

[aty990]

I'm already trusting the movie to maintain the same integrity as The Dark Knight. Bettering, the obvious next step. Will the movie be better without taking a chance of better making? No.

 

[Anita18]

Listen to me go on. Sorry! Can Bats 3 become more epic then TDK??? What IS epic in its purest form? Cause we all know the word "epic" gets thrown around all the time, and most of the time it's not epicness at all. Do any of you guys have a clear picture within your heads as to HOW in the freaken hell the third picture could become bigger in that area? And what will it take? Hope to hear some clever answers

I think "epic" in its purest form basically means "being presented with something bigger than yourself." TDK felt epic because what the main characters did had direct ramifications for the people living in Gotham. And it wasn't just the crazy third-act comic-booky action set piece that has innocent sheep people exist only to be saved by the superhero. Throughout the movie, you saw ordinary people in Gotham making their own decisions, having their own motivations. They felt like part of the bigger movie universe. Something bigger than just Batman, the Joker, Dent, and Gordon.

And it all leads up to the final sacrifice that Batman makes in the closing scene, because it is a decision made for something bigger than himself.

That said, I don't think Nolan and Co. need to be actively inviting comparisons to TDK by making TDKv2.0, rehash with the Joker. That'd just be a cash-grab excuse to make another movie. They need to explore new territory. Going smaller might be the way to go, although the nature of Batman's sacrifice (which presumably will still resonate in the third movie) requires some consideration to the more epic aspect as well.

Nolan has displayed the ability to go epic (TDK, Inception from what we hear from reviews) as well as intimate (The Prestige, Memento). So either way he goes, I think it will be a great movie.

IMHO, there needs to be a greater threat to Batman than SWAT. Twice now, Batman has eluded/defeated SWAT with relative ease.

Epic would be POTUS suspending the Posse Comitatus Act vis a vis the situation in Gotham City and ordering Delta Force Operators to go in and terminate the Batman with extreme prejudice.

I LOL'ed.

 

[Two-Face]

I agree Anita. well said.

 

[aty990]

You'd have Harvey Bullock and Edward Nashton heading the Riddler case. The Riddler would be hunting Batman and tracing back to Coleman Reese, whom reveals Batman's identity as Bruce Wayne. Coleman could possibly, not entirely, reveal the secret, with Riddler stopping him in mid-sentence, offering a Riddle, that Mr. Reese cannot solve. Mr. Reese dies but Riddler deduces Batman as Bruce Wayne.

 

[tmiller2]

Five words...
Johnny Depp as The Riddler

 

[aty990]

Five words...
Johnny Depp as The Riddler

I disagree. There are many viable actors for the role.

 

[returntovoid]

I know TDK fans will attack me for this but....

BB3 should be more like Batman Begins in tone/Batman characterization and I'll like it better than TDK unexpectably by default.

 

[Gianakin_]

I know TDK fans will attack me for this but....

BB3 should be more like Batman Begins in tone/Batman characterization and I'll like it better than TDK unexpectably by def ault.

I'm not sure I'll like it by default, but I completely agree with this post.

 

[ico]

Obviously the only thing that would make B3 better than TDK would be Ivy strutting around naked for two thirds of the movie.

 

[Sky Captain]

i know tdk fans will attack me for this but....

Bb3 should be more like batman begins in tone/batman characterization and i'll like it better than tdk unexpectably by default.

same. Here.

 

[aty990]

Whether or not he is part of the narrative or just a cameo at the end, I want Ra's to appear - I want Bruce to know, by the time the film ends, that Ra's is NOT dead, and still poses a threat to the people of Gotham and the world.

This.

 

[ico]

I know TDK fans will attack me for this but....

BB3 should be more like Batman Begins in tone/Batman characterization and I'll like it better than TDK unexpectably by default.

I definately agree with this.

I would like to see Arkham used a little more too. I could definately see some sort of amazing scene going down in Arkham involving a lot of psychotics.