The Dark Knight Rises What should the final scene of the trilogy be?

[ThePhantasm]

The James Bond franchise has died

What? Died? What do you mean? Are they not coming out with another film?

 

[Gianakin_]

Batman executed the fat goon in BR, in cold blood. And smiled sardonically while doing it.

 

[Gianakin_]

What? Died? What do you mean? Are they not coming out with another film?

Yes, it is. I assume he meant the pre-CR Bond films. If so, I agree with him. Everything between GE and CR was TV level drivel.

 

[Batman jr.]

Yes, it is. I assume he meant the pre-CR Bond films. If so, I agree with him. Everything between GE and CR was TV level drivel.

I've had a soft spot for GE (first Bond I saw in the theater) but Brosnan's era was terrible.

 

[Cú Chulainn]

Goldeneye is my favourite Bond flick.

 

[RolandDaggett]

What? Died? What do you mean? Are they not coming out with another film?

No it hasn't 'died'. CR and QOS are still part of the franchise despite being a reboot. So the franchise is still very much alive. Bond 23 comes out Nov. 9 2012.

 

[Batman jr.]

No it hasn't 'died'. CR and QOS are still part of the franchise despite being a reboot. So the franchise is still very much alive. Bond 23 comes out Nov. 9 2012.

While I don't like QOS as much as CR, it's not as bad as some people make it to be. Bond 23 will be, I hope, a mix of CR & FRWL. And I still wish that I look as good in a tux as DC.

Anyway, I hope TDKR will finally establish Batman for good in GC.

 

[DorneyDave]

I really like the idea of The Joker being involved or mentioned in the ending, but I'm torn about it being in.

On one end, it would seem so completely fitting. Batman's job is never done and he will continue fighting for Gotham....and using the Joker to convey that would be the most effective route. Not hint at a new villain or hint at Robin, that's throwing too much into the mix. Bring the entire story full circle. It ends 'the story of Nolan's world but Batmans story is never-ending. "Destined to this forever" as a man..err..clown...once said.

On the other end, a true "door closer" ending with a Gordon speech and epic shot of Batman would also be fitting.

Come to think of it, a combination of those two is what I want.

 

[jazzmatik]

I really like the idea of The Joker being involved or mentioned in the ending, but I'm torn about it being in.

On one end, it would seem so completely fitting. Batman's job is never done and he will continue fighting for Gotham....and using the Joker to convey that would be the most effective route. Not hint at a new villain or hint at Robin, that's throwing too much into the mix. Bring the entire story full circle. It ends 'the story of Nolan's world but Batmans story is never-ending. "Destined to this forever" as a man..err..clown...once said.

On the other end, a true "door closer" ending with a Gordon speech and epic shot of Batman would also be fitting.

Come to think of it, a combination of those two is what I want.

I think the one most challenging things to this movie is the inclusion of the Joker without seeming contrived. Referencing him at the end could work, but I fear that it'll seem too forced. Sometimes I think it might be best to leave the Joker out completely, if that's even possible without detracting from the story arc. How the Joker is referenced in this movie is SO anticipated that I hope it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[Rocketman]

You can't ignore the Joker.

The one thing that disappoints me (so far) in this production is how predictable everything seems to be. The whole motto of TDK was "Welcome to a world without rules," yet this new film is strangely going by the numbers. Unless I'm completely wrong, it's almost obnoxiously easy to determine how this movie plays out.

- Years ago, literally, people just assumed that Catwoman would be the next villain. And this was easy to deduce because if it's a Nolan trilogy, and he's already used the heavy hitters like Joker and Two-Face, it's obvious that Catwoman would be next. Joker, Two-Face, and Catwoman are THE three top Batman villains, right above The Riddler, whom Nolan confirmed wouldn't be in the film. So right off the bat, this was predictable. Only Bane was kind of out of left field.

- We guessed that there would be a Batwing... and again, we were right. After the Tumbler and Bat-Pod, the only way to raise the stakes would be with an aerial vehicle.

- And now, with talk of things coming "full circle," it's totally obvious that there will be a nod to the Joker at the end of this film. Repeating Batman Begins, Batman and Gordon will be at the top of Police headquarters, and Gordon will mention that the Joker has escaped from Arkham. This shows that the Batman/Joker relationship will continue, and that Batman's work will never be over.

And to anyone who really thinks that

Spoiler

Batman will die

... get real.

 

[Joker594]

You can't ignore the Joker.

The one thing that disappoints me (so far) in this production is how predictable everything seems to be. The whole motto of TDK was "Welcome to a world without rules," yet this new film is strangely going by the numbers. Unless I'm completely wrong, it's almost obnoxiously easy to determine how this movie plays out.

- Years ago, literally, people just assumed that Catwoman would be the next villain. And this was easy to deduce because if it's a Nolan trilogy, and he's already used the heavy hitters like Joker and Two-Face, it's obvious that Catwoman would be next. Joker, Two-Face, and Catwoman are THE three top Batman villains, right above The Riddler, whom Nolan confirmed wouldn't be in the film. So right off the bat, this was predictable. Only Bane was kind of out of left field.

- We guessed that there would be a Batwing... and again, we were right. After the Tumbler and Bat-Pod, the only way to raise the stakes would be with an aerial vehicle.

- And now, with talk of things coming "full circle," it's totally obvious that there will be a nod to the Joker at the end of this film. Repeating Batman Begins, Batman and Gordon will be at the top of Police headquarters, and Gordon will mention that the Joker has escaped from Arkham. This shows that the Batman/Joker relationship will continue, and that Batman's work will never be over.

And to anyone who really thinks that

Spoiler

Batman will die

... get real.

As for point one, I kinda new that Catwoman would be in TDKR the day after I saw TDK. With the series' main love interest in the ground, someone would have to take up the mantle.
I'm a Nolan fan but I'm a Batman fan first and I can say that I fully believe that Nolan would not have come back if he did not think that there was something worth telling. He has my trust.
P.S. - Your sig. . . .

 

[jazzmatik]

You can't ignore the Joker.

The one thing that disappoints me (so far) in this production is how predictable everything seems to be. The whole motto of TDK was "Welcome to a world without rules," yet this new film is strangely going by the numbers. Unless I'm completely wrong, it's almost obnoxiously easy to determine how this movie plays out.

- Years ago, literally, people just assumed that Catwoman would be the next villain. And this was easy to deduce because if it's a Nolan trilogy, and he's already used the heavy hitters like Joker and Two-Face, it's obvious that Catwoman would be next. Joker, Two-Face, and Catwoman are THE three top Batman villains, right above The Riddler, whom Nolan confirmed wouldn't be in the film. So right off the bat, this was predictable. Only Bane was kind of out of left field.

- We guessed that there would be a Batwing... and again, we were right. After the Tumbler and Bat-Pod, the only way to raise the stakes would be with an aerial vehicle.

- And now, with talk of things coming "full circle," it's totally obvious that there will be a nod to the Joker at the end of this film. Repeating Batman Begins, Batman and Gordon will be at the top of Police headquarters, and Gordon will mention that the Joker has escaped from Arkham. This shows that the Batman/Joker relationship will continue, and that Batman's work will never be over.

And to anyone who really thinks that

Spoiler

Batman will die

... get real.

That ending is so cliche at this point. It could happen, but it's not much of a twist, and I'd hope for something more unpredictable. I mean, maybe they could incorporate that particular Joker reference in conjunction with something else, otherwise it's not so subtle.

 

[Batman jr.]

I'm pretty sure there'll be a nice little reference to the Joker.

Maybe the ending will be him escaping from Arkham?

 

[dc587]

If they somehow include the Joker in the ending, I don't think they should go with him escaping Arkham, and they definitely shouldn't (and won't, IMO) do a Batman/Gordon rooftop scene with them talking about an escape. The ending should establish Batman as a never-ending symbol and show his realization that his quest will take a lifetime (or more) to complete.

I agree that showing the Joker is one of the best ways to convey the never-ending nature of the threats Batman and Gotham face, but make it subtle -- show a darkened cell so the audience only sees his silhouette... then show his shackled hands, visible in a small pool of light shining through a window, playing with a deck of cards. And when he flips the top one and looks at it he begins to laugh, not uncontrollably but slowly, deep and menacing... He then drops the card on the ground and as his laugh starts to build, getting louder and louder, the audience finds out it's a joker card, lying on the cell floor. Snap to black. Roll credits.

 

[AnneFan]

I'm pretty sure there'll be a nice little reference to the Joker.

I think there will be something. Joker's laughing face from the Brian Douglas interrogation re-appearing on the Batcave monitors perhaps. You know, Bruce saying something like "I'm glad that madman is behind bars, what a mess he caused" or something along those lines. It's not needed, but it would be a nice touch.

 

[November Rain]

perhaps a break out at arkham lead by the joker, just as they are about to reach the doors, batman swoops down (opening of the tas cartoon style), gives them the eyes and throws a batarang into the camera... as they charge towards him..

maybe with some cool monologue in the background...

 

[Broker]

Joker, Two-Face, and Catwoman are THE three top Batman villains, right above The Riddler, whom Nolan confirmed wouldn't be in the film. So right off the bat, this was predictable. Only Bane was kind of out of left field.

We guessed that there would be a Batwing... and again, we were right. After the Tumbler and Bat-Pod, the only way to raise the stakes would be with an aerial vehicle.

Well, I think it is contentious who the most well know villians are. For instance, to my mind the Penguin would be right up there - and there was much speculation he would feature.

Of course, ultimately there are a finite list of villians that one might consider well known enough for Nolan to have chosen (and as he has said, would also be a neat fit into his univverse.) So he is somewhat hampered in his choices by the source material and by his own vision.

As you pointed out - although somewhat contrary to your general argument - Nolan actually went for a villian out of left-field (Talia also falls into this category) who the majority of the audience will never have heard of. A risky and unpredictable move some might suggest (he did the same with Ra's, I might add)

I am sure that Nolan is aware that people want to see the "well-known" villians portrayed in his Bat-Universe. So he's giving people what they want while also keeping it fresh.

So it is predictable that he would choose new well know villains and that he would introduce a new vehicle; but the suggestion that this is negative and leaves you dissappointed is somewhat...obscure.

 

[TheScarecrow]

The one thing that disappoints me (so far) in this production is how predictable everything seems to be. The whole motto of TDK was "Welcome to a world without rules," yet this new film is strangely going by the numbers. Unless I'm completely wrong, it's almost obnoxiously easy to determine how this movie plays out.

- Years ago, literally, people just assumed that Catwoman would be the next villain. And this was easy to deduce because if it's a Nolan trilogy, and he's already used the heavy hitters like Joker and Two-Face, it's obvious that Catwoman would be next. Joker, Two-Face, and Catwoman are THE three top Batman villains, right above The Riddler, whom Nolan confirmed wouldn't be in the film. So right off the bat, this was predictable. Only Bane was kind of out of left field.

- We guessed that there would be a Batwing... and again, we were right. After the Tumbler and Bat-Pod, the only way to raise the stakes would be with an aerial vehicle.

- And now, with talk of things coming "full circle," it's totally obvious that there will be a nod to the Joker at the end of this film. Repeating Batman Begins, Batman and Gordon will be at the top of Police headquarters, and Gordon will mention that the Joker has escaped from Arkham. This shows that the Batman/Joker relationship will continue, and that Batman's work will never be over.

Dude - you've named the characters and a vehicle. Nothing about the plot, nothing about the themes, nothing about...anything. Your final post is a mere assumption.

You know nothing about this movie at all. You know who like seven people in the movie are playing, but know no other characters. You know basic plot points like 'Catwoman steals the Batpod' etc, but have no idea of the overall story arc.

These are very premature conclusions you have come up with that make little sense in the bigger scheme of things, and the exact same things can be said for TDK when it went into production.

 

[Broker]

it's almost obnoxiously easy to determine how this movie plays out.

Then you must have the heads up on the rest of us.

We know who features, we know a few locations, and we have a few spoiler videos and stills, but we really know very little about the story at all - hence the debates on other threads.

I think we can assume that Batman wins the day (or can we?), but other than that I don't think we have any idea how it will actually play out.

 

[GreyGoose1]

what if they close with a Batman and Gordon on the roof top, like Begins, and Gordan says, " He's Back" and hands Batman a Joker Card, leave us on a cliff hanger that those two are always going to be at it..

 

[Batman jr.]

Too bad nobody knows the ending already lol.

But it's Nolan, we have to expect the unexpected.

 

[Abe Froman]

Long time follower...first time poster! Thought I'd throw my two cents here.

Last scene I'd like to see...

Gordon and some Detective on top of City hall at night. Detective hands Gordon an evidence bag with a small knife and a Joker card with a bat symbol drawn from what looks like blood.

Detective: This one didn't waste any time after breaking out..
Gordon: After everything we've been through I'm not surpised. No sleep for the wicked I guess...

Gordon walks over to a power box and lifts a switch. Cut to skyline of Gotham and we see the bat signal light the sky.

Cut to Black screen

THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

obviously...someone with more talent could alter the dialog here, but I think the point is made. Also I'm assuming at some point in the movie, we should see the bat signal return

 

[DorneyDave]

I just hope the reference to the Joker isn't limited to something along the lines of a line like "well after the destruction that crazed clown caused..." or something just muttered off like that.

 

[Batman jr.]

I just hope the reference to the Joker isn't limited to something along the lines of a line like "well after the destruction that crazed clown caused..." or something just muttered off like that.

Yeah, I'd rather have no reference at all then.

 

[batbax]

Along the lines of the joker, and actually not really about the ending but the beginning.. I thought maybe it'd be cool to introduce tdkr with a joker VoiceOver while the wb, blue flames logo whatever was coming on, with a couple of his lines from the interrogation scene in tdk..maybe "they'll cast you out... Like a leper".. And "dropped at the first sign of trouble" maybe as a way to reinforce the fact that batman is on the run, or being hunted etc.. And also set up the theme for the beginning of tdkr.. Idk just was thinking about it and it might be a cool way of incorporating him whilst introducing the theme of the movie.