The Dark Knight Rises Which Storyline Influence?

[Rodrigo90]

Which Storyarc would you like to see influence Batman 3 in someway?

 

[Mr. Earle]

In before the Long Halloween and Dark Victory.

I'd personally like to see the introduction of Dick Grayson. What was it, Year Two, Year Three?

 

[TheBatman072]

In before the Long Halloween and Dark Victory.

I'd personally like to see the introduction of Dick Grayson. What was it, Year Two, Year Three?

Dark Victory introduced Dick Grayson. Half way in.

As far as the thread question goes.

Begins was mostly Year One. With TDK, we had some Long Halloween, some Dark Victory, some Man Who Laughs.

And with there being some very quiet rumblings from people such as Aaron Eckhart now being so unsure about whether Two-Face will be back or not, I'd like to see more Dark Victory.

Nothing too straight up, just homages here and there. No Robin.

Read Dark Victory again after reading Long Halloween. When Dick is introduced in Dark Victory, the mood and tone of the story changes SIGNIFICANTLY. It becomes much lighter. That's not something I want for this movie.

Maybe a nod to the traveling circus that Dick is apart of at the end of the movie ala Batman and the Monster Men/Mad Monk, but that's it.

 

[Mr. Earle]

TDK was also based on the Killing Joke. The joker wanting to prove that if you push too far everyone will go crazy, or in TDK's case that anarchy will prevail.
As for Dark Victory, i cant remember much because it was so boring and overly long i couldnt care for what was going on.
As for lightening the tone with Robin, just because it happened in DV, it doesnt mean it will happen here. Yes Robin lightened up Bruce and kept him from losing himself into Batman but it doesnt mean that it will become B&R.
Finally, Robin was also introduced in Year Three which is think is to Robin what Year One is to Batman. The canon telling of his origin. At least that's what i remember, since its been a long time.

 

[TheBatman072]

TDK was also based on the Killing Joke. The joker wanting to prove that if you push too far everyone will go crazy, or in TDK's case that anarchy will prevail.
As for Dark Victory, i cant remember much because it was so boring and overly long i couldnt care for what was going on.
As for lightening the tone with Robin, just because it happened in DV, it doesnt mean it will happen here. Yes Robin lightened up Bruce and kept him from losing himself into Batman but it doesnt mean that it will become B&R.
Finally, Robin was also introduced in Year Three which is think is to Robin what Year One is to Batman. The canon telling of his origin. At least that's what i remember, since its been a long time.

If you introduce a bright red and green teenager to the new movie, it WILL lighten the tone. That's just a given. It doesn't matter how much tragedy you soak it in, or how seriously you treat it, it'll be light. It WILL bring back images of Adam West/Burt Ward Batman, and that's not something I want for this franchise.

Besides, it's still very early in this Batman's career. Chronologically, there's still plenty of time for Batman to be solo before Robin is introduced.

Also, here's a better example. Look at Batman: The Animated Series. Remember all the episodes that didn't have Robin tagging along? Most of them were very dark, most of them were critically acclaimed. Most of them were better than the ones that DID have Robin. Now, don't get me wrong, most of the ones with Robin are very, very good. But the TONE is too light. And that was Robin as a COLLEGE STUDENT. Let alone a kid in his early teens.

 

[MadVillainy]

Dark VIctory and War Games

 

[dgnightwing]

As stated, Begins was The Man Who Falls and Year One. The Dark Knight was The Killing Joke and The Long Halloween. I would think Dark Victory would be the next logical step.

But I don't see that happening, since I doubt we are going to see Robin and I don't think Two Face is coming back.

 

[TheBatman072]

As stated, Begins was The Man Who Falls and Year One. The Dark Knight was The Killing Joke and The Long Halloween. I would think Dark Victory would be the next logical step.

But I don't see that happening, since I doubt we are going to see Robin and I don't think Two Face is coming back.

I still say TDK was more Man Who Laughs than Killing Joke. It featured Joker as a force of nature that showed up almost out of nowhere after foretelling of death and destruction through media.

I do agree that his last scheme's motivation was very much Killing Joke though.

This is why I love this franchise so much. It's telling it's own unique story, while adapting little bits and pieces from the comics and cartoons at the same time. It's ****ing brilliant.

 

[The Joker]

Depends on what villains Nolan wants to use. That'll be a huge deciding factor in what stories will be used for influence.

 

[TheBatman072]

Depends on what villains Nolan wants to use. That'll be a huge deciding factor in what stories will be used for influence.

That's a good point.

If he uses Catwoman, let's go with how she was in Long Halloween and then Selina from When In Rome and Selina's Big Score.

If he uses Riddler, use the whole "Riddler working on the side of good at first, but then turns out to be evil." Like how Riddler was a private detective in Dini's run of Detective. But then I'd like to see a turn to Hush Riddler.

I'd like to see Penguin used as he was in the New Adventures of Batman and the more recent Joker hardcover. Club owning socialite/gun runner and racketeer.

Speaking of the Joker hardcover, and I've said this more than once, I'd like to see Killer Croc portrayed in the same way. Just a freakishly big guy(black or white, it doesn't matter to me) with a bad skin condition resembling scales, jagged, borken teeth, who ate most of his victims.

Hell, throw in Talia Head toward the beginning. A new business woman in from the far east. That's where Bruce and Selina could meet, at a gala thrown by Talia Head's company.

Man, I should stop. I always get way too involved in this stuff.

 

[Brother Jack]

I still say TDK was more Man Who Laughs than Killing Joke. It featured Joker as a force of nature that showed up almost out of nowhere after foretelling of death and destruction through media.

I do agree that his last scheme's motivation was very much Killing Joke though.

This is why I love this franchise so much. It's telling it's own unique story, while adapting little bits and pieces from the comics and cartoons at the same time. It's ****ing brilliant.

In an odd way I could see The Dark Knight Returns being an influence. If the story were to take place 5 or 10 years after the events of TDK, Batman could return to prominence after being hid away in the shadows as a "silent guardian". Eventually the hope that Harvey Dent promoted will fade, and the new freakish criminal element will begin to take over. Batman will have to return so-to-speak.

 

[TheBatman072]

In an odd way I could see The Dark Knight Returns being an influence. If the story were to take place 5 or 10 years after the events of TDK, Batman could return to prominence after being hid away in the shadows as a "silent guardian". Eventually the hope that Harvey Dent promoted will fade, and the new freakish criminal element will begin to take over. Batman will have to return so-to-speak.

Maybe some influences here or there, but I doubt Warner will let Nolan touch DKR too much. I remember them wanting to adapt it at some point.

 

[Brother Jack]

True, but it wouldn't be a straight adaptation. It would be like the previous two, a blending of a few stories with one being dominant.

 

[Grommers]

I'm hoping a lot of influence from Hush...
but i don't want that villain..
but the story itself to influence it, you mix Hush with someone like the Riddler, and it could be a very deadly story imo, and a little bit of knightfall (batman totally out of commission from being broken?

 

[Rodrigo90]

Dark Victory - Replace Hangman with The Riddler. Task Force Team are the victims.

Bruce Wayne Murderer? - Bruce is suspected of being involved in the disappearance of Coleman Reese (orchestrated by The Riddler).

Bruce Wayne Fugitive - Bruce goes on the run for suspected murder and MUST catch Riddler in order to clear his name.

Hush - An old friend makes a return to make amends for his past crimes.

TDKR - The battle with The Mysterious Bandaged Man in the chopper and the truth is revealed.

Arkham Asylum - Batman must defuse Riddlers final bomb in the Asylum,while evading deathtraps and escaped patients.

The Batman/ Riddled - Riddler challenges Batman to find clues and defuse bombs around the city. Ellen Yindel would be the love interest in the movie. Bruce only dating her to gain info on her teams plans to hunt Batman,much to Alfreds disgust at his Master.

 

[Mr. Earle]

He is already a suspect for about 5 murders.

The Batman/ Riddled - Riddler challenges Batman to find clues and defuse bombs around the city. Ellen Yindel would be the love interest in the movie. Bruce only dating her to gain info on her teams plans to hunt Batman,much to Alfreds disgust at his Master.

Unethical and unnecessary. Batman spies on the police frequency for info, he has Gordon as his ally, and he could even place a bug in the police HQ.

 

[Mr. Earle]

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[Rodrigo90]

Bruce himself is framed for murder.

During the events before 3 begins,he stages a meeting with Yindel,as she was announced to be a member of The Task Force assigned to hunt Batman,should anymore trouble arise from him. Also because he is attracted to her,but she has that use as well. Ofcourse Riddler starts his mayhem and the team is forced into action to hunt both Batman and Riddler.

 

[firstclassclown]

TDKR for only a few reasons

 

[Coca Cola Duracell Franklin.]

One that avoids the Joker.

 

[david icke]

I would be good if they took some influence from TDKR for the cops being after Batman aspect of the film. The media's reactions, have a cop like Ellen Yindel who is determined to get BM but it is implied that she changes her mind about him by the end of the movie, lots of daring escapes by Batman from the cops after he has finished up with a job, ie him fighting the war on two fronts.

edit: Because, my guess is, we will probably not get a live action TDKR(possibly animated though), and it would be good to get one that had elements of it, like BB did of YO.

 

[ab38416]

I would think Dark Victory would be the next logical step.

But I don't see that happening, since I doubt we are going to see Robin and I don't think Two Face is coming back.

They could still use elements from Dark Victory such as the mob vs. freaks war & Batman's struggle with being alone.

 

[IBRAH08]

If you introduce a bright red and green teenager to the new movie, it WILL lighten the tone. That's just a given. It doesn't matter how much tragedy you soak it in, or how seriously you treat it, it'll be light. It WILL bring back images of Adam West/Burt Ward Batman, and that's not something I want for this franchise.

Besides, it's still very early in this Batman's career. Chronologically, there's still plenty of time for Batman to be solo before Robin is introduced.

Also, here's a better example. Look at Batman: The Animated Series. Remember all the episodes that didn't have Robin tagging along? Most of them were very dark, most of them were critically acclaimed. Most of them were better than the ones that DID have Robin. Now, don't get me wrong, most of the ones with Robin are very, very good. But the TONE is too light. And that was Robin as a COLLEGE STUDENT. Let alone a kid in his early teens.

What about robin's reckoning? it was dark and won an emmy (I think)

 

[COMPO]

for my idea for Batman 3 i'd go with Dark Victory, War Games and Hush. Mainly cos I want Two Face back, i'd go with Dark Victory with TF recruiting freaks to take on the mob but mix it with War Games with TF manipulating the mob into a war against each other but his plan is to have it go so bad that the mob will end up killing each other in the process and add in Hush with him being a mysterious stalker who's out to get Batman.

 

[RustyCage]

I'm sure most voters are just gonna pick their favorite GN, and ignore continuity/relevance.