The Dark Knight Rises Why Batman WON'T Die in The Dark Knight Rises

[Naked Shia]

the gardener I don't know seems to know how a lady should not cross her legs while he doesn't know the catwoman I know.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

We all know why he won't die now, he's going to be in Justice League!

 

[Naked Shia]

We all know why he won't die now, he's going to be in Justice League!

But will he have his own solos movies first ?

 

[Nevincer]

Yeah, but if he "supposedly" knows the ending, then why be upset when someone says he wouldn't like it if the ending was about Batman dying? Because Benstamania clearly said "if Batman dies, I rather not see it in the theater".....if! And he even ended his post by basically saying, "I hope that's not how it goes".

Umm, because like I said it's not about that being true but the fact that hypothetically someone would do that, as if Nolan's not allowed to go there and they have ownership of how this ends?

 

[Nevincer]

The Batman I know doesn't die.

This isn't the "Batman you know", it.s an adaption. These are not the comics. Damn it, Gianakin

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

But will he have his own solos movies first ?

 

[Gianakin_]

This isn't the "Batman you know", it.s an adaption. These are not the comics. Damn it, Gianakin

Come to the other thread. I'll show you.

 

[Naked Shia]

This was never gonna be the comics, because Christian Bale is not a sheet of paper. PERIOD.

 

[filmboy33]

They were getting worked up over people threatening to not see the movie over death as a possible ending, it's not being against that premise itself or whether it's really gonna happen, Rag and Kal just think it's a very unreasonable stance to take before you've seen it and shows a level of arrogance. It's these kinds of attitudes that are inhibiting creative decisions and risks because studios are afraid they won't get the bucks, and seeing as he's a screenwriter/storyteller I can see why this got to him.

So I finally got around to seeing what exactly got Rag banned. I was curious about it late last night, but I was tired and figured it could wait.

For the record, I understand why Rag got angry. I too am a writer and I would take issue with someone dismissing the story I am trying to tell simply based on their partial, out of context, knowledge of the ending of that story.

We have become so impatient as a culture right now that we can't wait to enjoy something when it is released. We seek out spoilers on films, television shows, and novels so that we can know what to expect before seeing or reading them. Whole websites exist to feed that need of ours and then there are message boards like this one that go deeper than the websites. But sometimes I think our need to know spoilers is a bad thing.

I come on here semi-regularly and read alot of the film websites as well. I like to learn about films in production and engage in that activity at my own risk. I knew everything about each of the Star Wars prequels before they were released. I knew Padme died in Episode III because

Spoiler

she lost the will to live

long before the film was released. While I thought that was the stupidest thing ever (still do), I never declared I would not see Episode III over it. I don't feel it was fair to judge that film based on one thing I read that I didn't like.

I understand this gentleman not liking the idea of Batman dying at the end of TDKR. I can sympathize as I am not sure I like the idea of Bruce living at the end. Although I am coming around. But I do feel it is incredibly close minded of him to dismiss the film altogether if the ending does involve Batman dying. But here is the thing on that: None of us know for sure if that is indeed the ending!

This thread is to speculate on why Batman won't die in this film. Not declare that he indeed will. If you believe what Rocky and Rag posted on both this thread and the general speculation thread, it would seem Bruce does live at the end. It just seems foolish to me to base your decision on whether you see a film on pure speculation and unconfirmed spoilers.

I would suggest this gentleman go into TDKR with an open mind and allow the story Nolan wants to tell unfold. Then, after having seen the COMPLETE story this gentleman can come on here and level his complaints against the film. I think Nolan has earned our trust based on the previous two films in this series. It would be a shame to dismiss TDKR so quickly based on what we all WANT to see in this film.

Sometimes knowing too much can be bad for you...

 

[Nevincer]

Very classy post, filmboy. A good read too

 

[Rocketman]

I don't understand why killing Batman would even be that unconventional in the first place. If anything, it's cheap. It's too obvious. We're expecting death with "The Epic Conclusion", "The Legend Ends", etc. All signs point to his death, which is exactly why it WON'T happen.

The comics do this stuff all the time, just to bring the characters back in a few months/years anyway. Batman was killed in Final Crisis, Superman died by the hands of Doomsday, Jason Todd died, Captain America died, Peter Parker just died.

This is essentially an "Elseworlds" story in movie form. In a few years, there's a reboot, and everything goes back to the way it was.

In the movies, plenty of people have been killed who should've made everyone foam at the mouth with anger, yet none of it mattered, because it's all going to be re-done.

- Cyclops
- Jean Grey
- Professor X
- Mystique
- Nicholson's Joker
- The Penguin
- Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face
- Doc Ock
- Green Goblin
- Venom
- Eckhart's Two-Face

This is just a few of almost a hundred, yet it's no big deal.

Batman most certainly lives. So does Bruce. If anything, keeping him alive is unconventional and daring. Just think, this is the LAST movie, the END of the trilogy, so you might as well kill him anyway. Nolan is saying, "No." Because it's the definite end, it's more audacious to keep him alive.

 

[Sharkboy]

I wonder if Avengers would still be considered a good film if Iron Man died in the end.

 

[filmboy33]

Very classy post, filmboy. A good read too

Thank you. I love these boards and enjoy coming on here to discuss some Batman from time to time. The truth is I like Rag and have enjoyed some of the back and forths we have had over the last couple months regarding this film. Normally I wouldn't get involved. But I felt he was right in regards to his real complaint against that gentleman. Could he have worded it better? Certainly. But I see his point and felt I should come out in agreement with him on this.

Hopefully now we can settle down on this thread again and get back to good natured speculation and debate.

 

[Nevincer]

Just because the marketing is hinting that he dies doesn't mean he won't. As Rag put it earlier, it can be "reverse, reverse psychology." Rachel was shown being thrown out of a window in TDK promos, and some were sure she'd live because of that by the end. Not the case.

As for him dying, I don't think it's cheap at all but to each their own. One problem with your ending is the fact that Batman already retired from being Batman for a good eight years, thus how does him deciding to do so again establish a definitive ending? In the fan's minds he'll still be able to put the cowl on again off-screen one day and thus more story, even room for a Batman IV if the studio were compelled or wanted to betray Nolan's trust... if he couldn't stick with it one time who's to say he can again assuming another threat like Bane doesn't arise again? Whilst I hope this film's legacy won't get saturated with a terminator 3, the leeway is there honestly... with such a redundant fate for Bruce.

 

[Broker]

Not really. Not many people are here to find out major things.

I don't know about that; pretty much everything that has been discovered has featured in this thread. Clearly there are many things we don't know, but that isn't for the want of their trying.

I agree with the general point you were making to the other poster, but it is a tad churlish to complain about people seeking to spoil the film... in a spolier thread.

 

[Frodo]

I doubt that even with Nolan's clout , WB would sign off on him killing off Bruce Wayne/Batman at the end. The GA wouldn't like it and I don't think it would help get people geared up for a new series of films. We have to remember whatever respect WB has for Nolan, they're still PR and buisnessmen , and they're not gonna give him such freedom that it could backfire on their bottom line and potentially hurt one of their most popular characters. I've read all the arguements about realism , Nolan etc, but I really doubt WB would allow things to go that far.

 

[BestGirl]

I wonder if Avengers would still be considered a good film if Iron Man died in the end.

No, but he's one of the most popular members of the team and there will be more Avengers movies so his absence would have been notable. This is the last of the Nolan batfilms so they'll be rebooting after this anyway.

 

[KalMart]

I wonder if Avengers would still be considered a good film if Iron Man died in the end.

It would depend on how good of a film it was.

 

[ckpras99]

They won't kill Batman but may kill Bruce Wayne off, just like The Dark Knight Return's. He will be the guidance for crime fighting and probably the head of an organization like the LoS. He was Ra's best student and the heir apparent.
Plus if the Lazarus pit is in the movie there is a bit of a supernatural side to the story that may surface in the healing aspect of Bruce Wayne, one moment he has a cane and the next he is fighting Bane. Hmmm how is that possible, steroids, venom or the Lazarus pit.
In the comic's Ra's stays alive due to the use of the Lazarus pit....we'll see! Batman will not be killed, it will just appear to have happened.

 

[Pwz414]

Nolan and WB can do whatever they want. If they kill him I can’t say they are wrong. This is a creative endeavor and there is little to be said in the way of right and wrong. But if they do kill him, I won’t respect Nolan for a “daring” decision; instead I’ll feel he missed the point of Batman. Batman is not a martyr that must die to come full circle. He’s a ****ing bad ass mother ****er that should die every night considering the **** he pulls, but he doesn’t because he’s just too ****ing bad ass.

So go ahead, kill him and say you came up with a brilliant and original ending; you can even use ideas from the comics to appease the fan boys, but no matter how clever your ending is, I’ll still wish he would have lived. You can all say, “Oh you haven’t seen it and you’re underestimating Nolan’s genius, and just wait, you’ll be here saying you were wrong after opening day.” Nah, I don’t think so. Batman to me is too bad ass to die of anything but old age.

 

[Frodo]

Nolan and WB can do whatever they want. If they kill him I can’t say they are wrong. This is a creative endeavor and there is little to be said in the way of right and wrong. But if they do kill him, I won’t respect Nolan for a “daring” decision; instead I’ll feel he missed the point of Batman. Batman is not a martyr that must die to come full circle. He’s a ****ing bad ass mother ****er that should die every night considering the **** he pulls, but he doesn’t because he’s just too ****ing bad ass.

So go ahead, kill him and say you came up with a brilliant and original ending; you can even use ideas from the comics to appease the fan boys, but no matter how clever your ending is, I’ll still wish he would have lived. You can all say, “Oh you haven’t seen it and you’re underestimating Nolan’s genius, and just wait, you’ll be here saying you were wrong after opening day.” Nah, I don’t think so. Batman to me is too bad ass to die of anything but old age.

If they did kill him off, no amount of fanboy defense could prevent the general audiences from not liking it. And truth be told, I don't think Nolan would do something like that. As mentioned before , I think a Dark Knight Returns type of ending could happen but, they'd basically be shoting themselves in the foot if the allowed Bruce Wayne to be killed off.

 

[Darkmania]

What is sad about all the rumors about the ending posted on this site and on others is what they have in common; no reports of a last scene between Batman/Bruce and Gordon....I had always hoped that a scene between them would end the film, or at least be very near the end.

 

[Herolee10]

Maybe they're trying to go down a opposite route from what Dent said at the beginning of "TDK".lol

Instead of his "You either die a HERO or live long enough to see yourself become the VILLAIN"...

It'll end up being..."You'll die a villain (Dent) and live long enough to see yourself become the hero (Batman)".lol

 

[DKDetective]

If they did kill him off, no amount of fanboy defense could prevent the general audiences from not liking it. And truth be told, I don't think Nolan would do something like that. As mentioned before , I think a Dark Knight Returns type of ending could happen but, they'd basically be shoting themselves in the foot if the allowed Bruce Wayne to be killed off.

I couldn't disagree more. Heroic deaths are a cliche because people love those sort of endings. Moreover, all of the reboots since Begins have acquainted the general audience with the idea that you can start over even after the last film in the franchise ended with the main character dying. You are greatly overestimating the public outrage.

Moreover, I know several casual fans and general audience members who want a daring ending. They like Nolan surprising them. I'm pretty sure people like you were complaining that people wouldn't like Batman taking the fall for Dent at the end of The Dark Knight - that it wasn't kid-friendly, that WB would never let Nolan do it so it must fake, etc. Look how that turned out!

I even have a friend, who isn't a comics fan, but just a film major, and he thinks Nolan would be taking the easy way out by allowing Bruce to live.

Personally, I think all the endings predicted in threads like these are based on people asking the wrong questions. What will make Nolan's ending is not whether or not Batman dies, but how and why it happens. I think there will be a unique element to it, something unexpected.

 

[Frodo]

I couldn't disagree more. Heroic deaths are a cliche because people love those sort of endings. Moreover, all of the reboots since Begins have acquainted the general audience with the idea that you can start over even after the last film in the franchise ended with the main character dying. You are greatly overestimating the public outrage.

Moreover, I know several casual fans and general audience members who want a daring ending. They like Nolan surprising them. I'm pretty sure people like you were complaining that people wouldn't like Batman taking the fall for Dent at the end of The Dark Knight - that it wasn't kid-friendly, that WB would never let Nolan do it so it must fake, etc. Look how that turned out!

I even have a friend, who isn't a comics fan, but just a film major, and he thinks Nolan would be taking the easy way out by allowing Bruce to live.

Personally, I think all the endings predicted in threads like these are based on people asking the wrong questions. What will make Nolan's ending is not whether or not Batman dies, but how and why it happens. I think there will be a unique element to it, something unexpected.

I think you underestimate how the public would reaction to Bruce Wayne getting killed. However I agree that if he faked his death no one would have a problem. BTW I was one of those who defended the end of TDK . Aside from the assumption that I wasnt, I get your point.