The Dark Knight Rises Why I think Rises will be better than TDK

[Black Ink]

Okey yes it'll be great, but not better than LOTR. But very much better than Toy Story... Toy Story 3 is the only really strong in that one (and maybe the first one since it's a classic).

 

[Lord]

I think when Rises is out the Nolan Batman with be the greatest movie trilogy ever. Better than Godfather, Star Wars, LOTR. Even Toy Story.

All the Toy Story movies were great, the narrative is strong and considering the critics it's the best trilogy, however it doesn't really count since it's animation and animation is normally regarded in a different way.

Now if TDKR is in least as good as TDK then the trilogy will be better than Star Wars, as The Empire Strikes Back is the only trully brilliant film of the original 3, better than LotR? I doubt that, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight would have had to have won many more awards for the story and soudtrack, and it won't be a better trilogy than The Godfather, look, Part III was weaker than the others but wasn't a bad film, in fact Part I and II are the main parts of the story, the director and Puzo wanted the 3rd film to serve more as an epilogue, and in this structure the movies work beautifully.

 

[Blue Sugar]

LOTR trilogy is soooo overrated. I enjoy them but BB and TDK eats them all alive. I'm sure TDKR will do the same for me.

Best trilogy ever is easily The Godfather trilogy, the first two are top ten of all time and the third while nowhere near as good still solid and underrated imo.

 

[Nevincer]

The Godfather Pt. 3 stops it from being a better "trilogy" than LOTR, if you ask me.

 

[slimshady247]

I watched the LOTR trilogy a while ago. I tried rewatching the first movie and couldn't get through the first hour. I'll try again some other time (sometimes I just have to be in the mood), but I'm not much of a fan as of right now.

Back to the topic at hand...

Why do I think TDKR will be better than TDK? Because Nolan wouldn't have come back if he didn't think he couldn't top TDK.

 

[DACrowe]

The Dark Knight was a great movie, of course, but no masterpiece. For all those who doubt that Rises can't top its predecessor, I wouldnt be so sure. I know, we barely know anything about this movie yet but I think its already sounding like a more interesting story. With TDK I felt like it focused more on joker rather than telling a rich, compelling story like Begins did. This movie has so much potential to be the best of the trilogy, with Nolan tying it back to Begins and making the series come full circle. I really feel like nolan has an incredible tale to tell to end the series.

Also, the cinematography looks fantastic so far, tons of great shots in the trailer. I really like the bleak and gritty feel to it, like the shot of Bane walking up to batman in the huge fight.. cannot wait

So I think with Rises it wont rely on a popular villain, but a flat out good story about Bruce/Batman. Not saying Bane wont be ****ing awesome, but I think the movie will be so much more than just Bane. What do you guys think?

TDK was a much richer and ambitious story than BB. BB, while great, is the superhero origin story. It follows the same beats as Spider-Man, Iron Man, Donner's Superman, etc. I think BB does it way better than those films, but it is still formulaic and keeps it centered on Bruce becoming a superhero.

TDK is a broader ensemble film about a city/society being put to the test of their moral convictions in the face of an existential threat (terrorism) and how far it can go without collapsing. Subtle? No, but it's dealing with big ideas. It is also driven as much by Harvey Dent as the Joker. His story is one of the classical tragic hero who rises to an apex and almost wins.....but then comes crashing down in the most painful way possible. That tragedy, coupled with him being part of a triumverant with Gordon and Batman, effects those characters and the ending in a profound way. The Joker is the existential anarchic catalyst for these choices they make.

It has a lot more meat than BB. My guess is TDKR will suffer in comparison for two reasons. The first is The Joker is Batman's most charismatic and iconic villain bar none and Ledger played him in a way that wowed everyone...even Oscar voters. The other is Harvey Dent's tragic arc is so clean and classical, that it provided a firm backbone for the film. Bane breaking Batman and turning Gotham into a war zone may be a bit harder to pull off so powerfully.

But at this point who really knows? TDKR doesn't come out for over seven months and we've all seen about 7-8 minutes worth of footage. It's way too early to say.

 

[DACrowe]

I think when Rises is out the Nolan Batman with be the greatest movie trilogy ever. Better than Godfather, Star Wars, LOTR. Even Toy Story.

No way will it be better than Star Wars or LOTR. And technically it may be a better trilogy than The Godfather because Part III was so mediocre, but there is no way that it will surpass the first two Godfather films because no movie really ever has.

 

[The Morningstar]

Better than the Star Wars, LOTR and Godfather trilogies? Come now, don't be silly.

 

[Frodo]

I liked the concept of Rachel more than the character herself, though I think that had more to do with the actresses nolan picked. I think Sarah Wayne Callie or Emily might have been better but who knows. I preferred Bruce telling his secret to someone be knew since childhood then the babe of the week aspect of the old series. It works for bond,not batman

 

[slimshady247]

TDK was a much richer and ambitious story than BB. BB, while great, is the superhero origin story. It follows the same beats as Spider-Man, Iron Man, Donner's Superman, etc. I think BB does it way better than those films, but it is still formulaic and keeps it centered on Bruce becoming a superhero.

TDK is a broader ensemble film about a city/society being put to the test of their moral convictions in the face of an existential threat (terrorism) and how far it can go without collapsing. Subtle? No, but it's dealing with big ideas. It is also driven as much by Harvey Dent as the Joker. His story is one of the classical tragic hero who rises to an apex and almost wins.....but then comes crashing down in the most painful way possible. That tragedy, coupled with him being part of a triumverant with Gordon and Batman, effects those characters and the ending in a profound way. The Joker is the existential anarchic catalyst for these choices they make.

It has a lot more meat than BB. My guess is TDKR will suffer in comparison for two reasons. The first is The Joker is Batman's most charismatic and iconic villain bar none and Ledger played him in a way that wowed everyone...even Oscar voters. The other is Harvey Dent's tragic arc is so clean and classical, that it provided a firm backbone for the film. Bane breaking Batman and turning Gotham into a war zone may be a bit harder to pull off so powerfully.

But at this point who really knows? TDKR doesn't come out for over seven months and we've all seen about 7-8 minutes worth of footage. It's way too early to say.

Batman making a comeback won't provide a strong backbone for the story? How can that not be powerful in some way or another?

And Bane is a much different threat to Batman. He may not be "charismatic", but he's terrifying since he actually does pose a threat. I'm sure the GA will come to understand that.

 

[Nevincer]

Better than the Star Wars, LOTR and Godfather trilogies? Come now, don't be silly.

 

[Gianakin_]

I liked the concept of Rachel more than the character herself, though I think that had more to do with the actresses nolan picked. I think Sarah Wayne Callie or Emily might have been better but who knows. I preferred Bruce telling his secret to someone be knew since childhood then the babe of the week aspect of the old series. It works for bond,not batman

Wayne Callie? Bleeeeeeeeeeeh, what an irritating actress.

 

[slimshady247]

Wayne Callie? Bleeeeeeeeeeeh, what an irritating actress.

Yeah, she's not good on The Walking Dead and she wouldn't be good in Nolan's Bat films.

 

[Gianakin_]

She's not good anywhere.

 

[MrWayne]

For me, Nolan gets better as a director and his movies are better than the last each release (imho) so I do think this will reach the level of epicness they were going for and be better than TDK in many many ways!

 

[slimshady247]

She's not good anywhere.

LOL, doesn't seem like she would be. I mean, she's alright on TWD, but she isn't very likable.

But yeah, Rachel is a lame character. Thought I was the only one who really didn't care when she died. It was still impactful due to the effect it had on Bruce, but I felt nothing.

 

[Gianakin_]

Loved Rachel, love Rachel, will always love Rachel as a character.

 

[slimshady247]

Really? Like I said, I didn't feel sorry at all when she died.

 

[Gianakin_]

Me neither. But that's only because I wanted her to leave the door open for CW.

 

[Papa G]

I didn't care when she died...she was a plot device and even though I think she was played better in TDK by Maggie Gyllenhaal she wasn't the most interesting character. Getting some female villains from the original mythos will be interesting, but I think out of the three, TDK will always be regarded as the best. BB and TDKR may come to be the best Batman films, but I think TDK was so influential culturally on so many levels that it won't be topped in retrospect.

 

[slimshady247]

Haha nice.

I'm sure Anne will deliver a nice performance. At least, that's what it seems like from the trailer.

 

[Nevincer]

Rachel Dawes sucked. Both versions were unbearable to watch on screen.

 

[Sharkboy]

Better than the Star Wars, LOTR and Godfather trilogies? Come now, don't be silly.

First and foremost...there is no godfather trilogy...certainly not one that is considered successful. Only one and two...so that is disqualified. LOTR is a good argument for one of the few consistently great trilogies, but they can easily be considered as three parts of the same movie, taking each film on it's own leaves the second film to be pretty weak compared to the 1st and 3rd.

Star Wars is a good trilogy, but the 3rd film is highly regarded to be the weakest of the three hardly making it a perfect one. I think the trilogies that come the closest to being definitive are toy story and indy, and even with indy the first is always considered to be the best no matter how loved the other two can be. Toy story at least made each film different and it improved with each iteration while keeping a running theme and overarching storyline.

So yeah Batman begins when it came out was widely considered the best superhero film up till that point, tons of praise and admiration (even though it has aged a bit) Same goes for TDK, if TDKR recieves the same type of reaction and people receive it even better than TDK...then THAT is your most definitive and close to perfect trilogy.

Happy New Year folks.

 

[Gianakin_]

Just because 3 films don't get successively better or just because they don't have the same quality doesn't mean they can't form an overall great trilogy.

Perfect is too strong a word to use objectively. I can see why one would think Toy Story is perfect, or SW, or Indy, or LotR (that, not so much). Just as I could see why someone would think the Nolan Batman trilogy will be perfect if TDKR turns out to be good. But the difference in quality between BB and TDK can be used as an argument to disqualify this trilogy as perfect, going by your logic.

 

[Lord]

No way will it be better than Star Wars or LOTR. And technically it may be a better trilogy than The Godfather because Part III was so mediocre, but there is no way that it will surpass the first two Godfather films because no movie really ever has.

Return of the Jedi was also really mediocre