KingOfDreams said:
I'm not exactly faulting you for what you like but it saddens me when people know more about the Ultimate books/characters than they do the 616 books/characters. It's partially Marvel's fault I guess. I've never really liked the Ultimate books because by and large it's all stuff I've already seen tweaked a bit. And I know Ultimates is supposed to be fairly different but I've read a couple issues in the shop and it's never grabbed me. Anyway, Ragnorak is in tpb.
I know you weren't but the thing is, to me, in the 616 (and to be honest, I have read marvel for well over a decade and still don't know why it is called that on the net) universe, not all the characters are that interesting.
I loved Ultimate, because it put a new, modern spin on things that made it simply more relevant to today's society. We live in a different world to what it was when the 616 universe was created, and these titles reflect that. I am not saying it's better or worse, but the fact is, it got people interested in Marvel again. It got me back into reading after a few years of absense after I got tired of over convoluted stories that relied too much on the past events. Not honouring them, but having to be careful over every detail, and requiring years worth of backstory to get the best out of them.
In the MU, the Avengers seemed too DC-ised to me....ie bunch of guys in spandex beating up supervillains who all got along in a cushy mansion, were loved by the public and had a butler even. That is unfair of me, since I never read it, and it might not be like that at all...but thats how it seeemed to me.
But the Ultimates came along and made me go WOW. It had everything. Political intrigue that was very much a sign of the times we live in, giving it a much deeper level that I felt the Avengers probably didn't have before, as opposed to X Men, which always had more under the surface. I LOVE that the Team are more or less estranged, with different relationships all barely held together by the government paycheck. I love that Fury isn't a clean cut good guy. I love that the team could be Government lackeys (I havent read the last arc, probably wont till the TPB). I love the fact that they added things that are actually in character with the 616 versions (for example, I could so see Thor being pissed at Bush over the enviroment, and being a laid back beer guzzler who digs groupies, and I could see Cap as a very fair guy but who has steel morals and a bad ass attitude when needed). I love that Banner became the hulk again out of insecurity. It's the touches that ground it in reality and make them INTERESTING.
I'm sorry if you don't like that, but I'm tired of the stigma that because it came first, 616 is automatically inferior. It isn't that way at all, and if it got people interested in comics again, or for me, reintroduced me to them , it can't be a bad thing at all.