Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[DavidHaller]

Domestic: $119 m
Global: $403 m

looking at these numbers, "X-Men Apocalypse" will propably make about $ 500 million globally, right?

If I do not have the numbers wrong, this would still make "X-Men:Apocalpyse" the 2nd most successful movie in the entire franchise behind "Days of Future Past" (not counting Deadpool)?


so "X:A" drastically underperformed in the United States (about $100 million less than usual)? Or are there any other country who similarly lost interest in the X-Men movies?

 

[CaptainWagner]

I really fail to see how this movie isn't doing better. I guess it's just stuck between being too smart to attract the "Transformers crowd" and not innovative enough to attract the "smart movies crowd". But even that doesn't explain everything. It really doesn't make sense.

 

[superweirdo87]

looking at these numbers, "X-Men Apocalypse" will propably make about $ 500 million globally, right?

If I do not have the numbers wrong, this would still make "X-Men:Apocalpyse" the 2nd most successful movie in the entire franchise behind "Days of Future Past" (not counting Deadpool)?


so "X:A" drastically underperformed in the United States (about $100 million less than usual)? Or are there any other country who similarly lost interest in the X-Men movies?

I think 50 million is a more reasonable consideration for the US. 80 million would be off Days of Future Past and that was the #2 X-Men team movie. So, 50 million off. It seems to be dropping in most places, though more so in Western European countries and less in foreign nations.

 

[SuperT]

I really fail to see how this movie isn't doing better. I guess it's just stuck between being too smart to attract the "Transformers crowd" and not innovative enough to attract the "smart movies crowd". But even that doesn't explain everything. It really doesn't make sense.

Oh c'mon now...

 

[GuestStar2004]

Origins did do better with worse reviews, but it had huge drops and weaker legs. Reviews may matter more now than they did at that point.

We are in a world now where X3 has a higher RT critic rating then Apocalypse *shrug*

 

[Erzengel]

We were in a world where X3 was highest grossing domestic X-Men movie until this year.

 

[Frankeh]

Tragic!

 

[superweirdo87]

Thats just your fan fiction though, i am sure many were planning how perfect x3 was gonna go also before we got it and found out the things they actually had in mind

Totally agree.

 

[Iceman]

Most of those sequels dropping badly isn't too much of a surprise lol.

 

[Erzengel]

I'm still on the fence of whether IDR is going to tank or channel Jurassic World with a touch of Transformers.

Finding Dory will break that chain though.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I really fail to see how this movie isn't doing better. I guess it's just stuck between being too smart to attract the "Transformers crowd" and not innovative enough to attract the "smart movies crowd". But even that doesn't explain everything. It really doesn't make sense.

It's not a good movie and there's very little action

 

[superweirdo87]

I have to disagree with Allison Blaire and psylockolussus that the young actors aren't appealing. I liked young Cyclops and especially young Nightcrawler, but the script failed the actors.

Some reviewers who had "typical" reactions to XM:A argued this point.

Alex Abads Santos at Vox didn't like the movie much, giving it a 2.5/5, but praised the young cast: "Apocalypse's shortcomings eclipse not only Fassbender's performance but also the promising mutant debuts from Turner's Grey, Shipp's Storm, and Kodi Smit-McPhee's Nightcrawler. All three are granted scenes that do their characters justice, adding welcome bits of humanity and, in Smit-McPhee's case, doses of much-needed brevity. You could build a nifty franchise around the three."

https://***********/I_Feldberg/status/730410456511356930

"Most are just victims of having absolutely *****ing NOTHING to work with, but even Fassbender, who gets the “best” writing—keeping in mind that “best” is relative and this movie is dog *****—can’t overcome the appalling script... Alexandra Shipp shows some promise as Storm, but unfortunately she barely gets a chance to showcase her personality. Ditto for Sophie Turner, who NEVER gets to show her personality as Jean Grey."

Some reviewers didn't like them in this movie, like Peter Suderman, who also thought McAvoy gave a flat, unconvincing performance.

The problems, with the movie, were the script, the material, and the plot. I would take Shipp over Halle Berry Storm any day of the week. Tye Sheridan was also promising and I could see him becoming a good Cyclops with growth and good material. Sheridan was so good in Mud and Spielberg picked him out of thousands actors for Ready Player One. I could see him growing into a really good Cyclops.

 

[superweirdo87]

It's not a good movie and there's very little action

There is too much action. X2 and DOFP had less action and did better.

 

[GuestStar2004]

 

[superweirdo87]

We are in a world now where X3 has a higher RT critic rating then Apocalypse *shrug*

Reviews influence box office, the effect is modest (20 points on metacritic is worth about 15M at the domestic box office) but it does matter. The effects are more pronounced on legs/holds, but they might affect OW now with social media.

 

[Iceman]

Very interesting chart that (GuestStaR). At that kind of growth it's going to be a fair amount more than double at some point not too far away and then China starts becoming more important than domestic numbers, even after the unfavourable splits.

 

[kguillou]

I think its fascinating how there is a discrepancy as to what people claim is "too much action" or not. I'm noticing this is becoming a thing with these current blockbuster films. The Rotten Tomatoes consensus says the film is "overloaded" with action but it really isn't, at least to me. Age of Ultron has way more action scenes than this. Heck, Civil War has way more action than this. In fact the first half of this film is pretty quiet and very character orientated. I'm curious, what do you guys deem as "too much action?"

 

[Frankeh]

There is too much action. X2 and DOFP had less action and did better.

I think this movie lacked imagery that galvanized the public (and X-Men fanbase) like DOFP. The root of this movie's problem IMO is that creatively they just weren't inspired from the very beginning.

Remember that shot of Magneto and the Sentinels arriving at the White House? Or that shot of Storm about to get impaled by a Sentinel? Or that shot of the hundreds of Sentinels dropping from their cargo ships?

Psylocke slicing through a car, Mystique getting choked by Apocalypse and Storm landing through lightning just did not have the same effect as those. That's why they spoiled that ending scene to get people excited about that at least. And I'm pretty sure they've now spoiled the Phoenix scene as well in a TV Spot.

They missed an opportunity to give us a visual of all of the X-Men going against all of the Horsemen. Instead the whole final battle is very scattered.

The X-Men (plus Storm and Magneto) going against Apocalypse at the end is a good visual but it's too quick and Apocalypse barely puts up a fight.

 

[superweirdo87]

Very interesting chart that (GuestStaR). At that kind of growth it's going to be a fair amount more than double at some point not too far away and then China starts becoming more important than domestic numbers, even after the unfavourable splits.

Another challenge with China, though, is the lack of an ancillary market.

 

[ApophènX]

The scene when Charles talk to Erik telepathically throughh Cerebro was beautifully shot, they revealed new colors and angles as the expression of the characters and their tone of voice changed. And it built up to Apocalypse making his big talk and the nuke.

I think he really think the movepent of his camera has to how the epotion evolve in the character, i felt that in the scene when Erik wants to kill his coworker. Going from showing him in the left pan then the right, then in the center when their killed, the face to face with apocalypse.

Singer's camera has been evolving and i think he tried new thing. DoFP had lots of great shot. totally blast by when Charles meet his older self. The mouvement he made, going from blured focus to clear counter angle was huge in momentum. With all the emotional complexity behind it playin.

As for all the fightin they just stand out of the "matrix kung-fu" style we can see everywhere. He tried to make something more comic book like, more iconic movement. Civil War did that better but had many less character to manage.

 

[Sithborg]

Another challenge with China, though, is the lack of an ancillary market.

Which is why Legendary is poised to be in a very healthy position. They don't actually take more of the ticket sales, but because their parent Wanda owns a sizeable chunk of theater chains, they technically profit more than other studios.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Very interesting chart that (GuestStaR). At that kind of growth it's going to be a fair amount more than double at some point not too far away and then China starts becoming more important than domestic numbers, even after the unfavourable splits.

We also have to keep in mind that China's film industry is also growing and there might come a point where it's hard for foreign films to get enough screens.

 

[fallenAngel]

I think this movie lacked imagery that galvanized the public (and X-Men fanbase) like DOFP. The root of this movie's problem IMO is that creatively they just weren't inspired from the very beginning.

Remember that shot of Magneto and the Sentinels arriving at the White House? Or that shot of Storm about to get impaled by a Sentinel? Or that shot of the hundreds of Sentinels dropping from their cargo ships?

Psylocke slicing through a car, Mystique getting choked by Apocalypse and Storm landing through lightning just did not have the same effect as those. That's why they spoiled that ending scene to get people excited about that at least. And I'm pretty sure they've now spoiled the Phoenix scene as well in a TV Spot.

They missed an opportunity to give us a visual of all of the X-Men going against all of the Horsemen. Instead the whole final battle is very scattered.

The X-Men (plus Storm and Magneto) going against Apocalypse at the end is a good visual but it's too quick and Apocalypse barely puts up a fight.

I agree, they didn't get the hero shot of all of them until the Danger Room, which wasn't enough.

I'm a little upset they spoiled all the cool Horesmen stuff in the trailers, I didn't need those to entice me, however, I think the trailers for Dofp also spoiled a lot of the "money shots" too. Those action scenes were just more unique to both the franchise and the current superhero environment.

The action in Dofp was just put together better. I almost wonder with Apocalypse if they scheduling for all the actors just never really worked out. Xavier and Erik's cliff scene could've been filmed via green screen. Sheriden and Shipp were talking about their battle and at no point were they ever on set together. It makes sense, but sometimes I felt like it was rather obvious that the whole thing was put together piece by piece

 

[CaptainWagner]

It's not a good movie and there's very little action

This is what I'm most worried about. That Fox will see complaints like this and start forcing them to be more generic blockbusters, without the deep dramatic plots that make X-Men so special.

 

[Flint Marko]

This is what I'm most worried about. That Fox will see complaints like this and start forcing them to be more generic blockbusters, without the deep dramatic plots that make X-Men so special.

That's exactly what they did this go-around.