Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[def28]

These massive green screen sets featuring an ensemble are not Singers speciality. His most compelling action scenes are when he singles out a few characters. Nightcrawler, Quicksilver, Logan vs Deathstrike etc. When things get too busy it just loses it's way and focus visually.

I will say that the intro to Apocalypse was awesome though. I still don't understand how that managed to be so much more exciting then finally seeing the X-Men fight together as a team or having 3 popular X-Men as horsemen. Those original horsemen were stellar and intense. Loved that prologue.

 

[Smilodon]

You never know really as they could have a flashback to fill in some gaps in the weapon X stuff. after all Singer did say marigold wanted to have links to X-Men: Apocalypse.

Infact it actually wouldn't surprise me if the movie opened with a flashback.

Flashbacks to what? Origins? X2? They still have to establish what happened to Logan, and I just said they probably put that Weapon X cameo in so they could use in Wolverine III. They need something to reference, especially if ends up differently than what happened in those two films, one of which drastically watered down the original nature of Weapon X.

Would it be more efficient if they handled it like TIH or Spider-Man 2 in which the opening credits basically recap everything viewers need to know? Of course, and of course they'll probably have a flashback to recap to viewers again what happened. But that's not the point what I was trying to make originally.

 

[BeholdMe]

If we spent so much time talking about who NEEDed to be in these X-Men movies there wouldn't be many left because you don't NEED half of them there so does that mean you shouldn't have them involved?

Look in the end it comes down to this, why would they write these 3 out? leave your comic brain at the door for a moment, don't think as if FOX and anyone else would think the same way as a couple of fans where these characters below need a rest.

The most likely scenario would be they will continue to explore the magneto and quicksilver stuff since quicksilver will not be written into being a side character, its about balance.



At this point i probably am, first i was talking about why it didn't seem realistic for FOX or any creative team to take out these characters and now i am talking about why the film needs them.



Storm ended up fading into the same position as angel and psylocke, but then so did magneto after a while so yeah there are also plenty of people crying angel and psylocke didn't get much to do which is the problem with assemble movies sometimes, i mean jubilee was not most cut because magneto needed his screen time.

Everyone is looking for a solution to a problem and they are looking in the wrong place

I agree with Storm,Psylocke and Angel I'm totaling not saying different with that because once they became Horseman they literally became mute. Magneto totally did not get the same treatment as the other 3 I cannot agree with that it's very clear he got the most even if his lines weren't as many he still got the most shine out of the 3. I don't think Jubilee lines were cut due to Magneto but it was just so crazy to give her the same treatment she has gotten in the previous movies.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Flashbacks to what? Origins? X2? They still have to establish what happened to Logan, and I just said they probably put that Weapon X cameo in so they could use in Wolverine III. They need something to reference, especially if ends up differently than what happened in those two films, one of which drastically watered down the original nature of Weapon X.

Would it be more efficient if they handled it like TIH or Spider-Man 2 in which the opening credits basically recap everything viewers need to know? Of course, and of course they'll probably have a flashback to recap to viewers again what happened. But that's not the point what I was trying to make originally.

Thats what's I meant, The wolverine did it also.

 

[superweirdo87]

I felt Prof. X, Mystique and Magneto's arcs were at a good enough place in DofP to close. Singer had erased X3 of the face of the earth. That was the time to cut him loose and go in a new direction. Well, better late than never. I don't see him returning for X4 or the new incarnation of the X-Men.

I think there was an open-ended edge to Magneto at the end of DOFP and I like the idea of ending the third movie with Charles becoming a familiar Professor X. But, I do think that it would have been good to focus on Scott and Jean. There are even natural ways to do that with focus on relationships between Professor X and students.

 

[Mutant 77]

Well........ at the end of the day...............

FOX spent 236 millions and earned aprox. 1 billion and 200 millions WW.

Not bad at all, right?

 

[superweirdo87]

The movie made 9.9M this weekend. A sharper drop than DOFP, but not that much so.
It cleared 100M in China. A nice moment. And in Mexico, it surpassed DOFP in local currency.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Well........ at the end of the day...............

FOX spent 236 millions and earned aprox. 1 billion and 200 millions WW.

Not bad at all, right?

What?

 

[superweirdo87]

What?

I think the poster means Deadpool and XMA. Actually, it might be 1.3 billion for the combined budgets of Deadpool and XMA, depending on how much XMA really cost.

 

[Erzengel]

Well........ at the end of the day...............

FOX spent 236 millions and earned aprox. 1 billion and 200 millions WW.

Not bad at all, right?

Marketing and theater costs aren't included in the production cost.

 

[superweirdo87]

Marketing and theater costs aren't included in the production cost.

Yeah. The picture changes with that, but remember ancillary revenues also aren't.

 

[fallenAngel]

These massive green screen sets featuring an ensemble are not Singers speciality. His most compelling action scenes are when he singles out a few characters. Nightcrawler, Quicksilver, Logan vs Deathstrike etc. When things get too busy it just loses it's way and focus visually.

I will say that the intro to Apocalypse was awesome though. I still don't understand how that managed to be so much more exciting then finally seeing the X-Men fight together as a team or having 3 popular X-Men as horsemen. Those original horsemen were stellar and intense. Loved that prologue.

The whitehouse scene in Dofp was mostly green screen, and the fights against the sentinels were great imo. And yeah, the intro was fantastic. Not sure why those turned out so much better than the final battle in Apocalypse, maybe it was just a bit too many characters.

I would argue that ensemble action isn't really anyone's specialty. The first Avengers and Civil War are really the only times I've seen it done noticeably well.

 

[superweirdo87]

The whitehouse scene in Dofp was mostly green screen, and the fights against the sentinels were great imo. And yeah, the intro was fantastic. Not sure why those turned out so much better than the final battle in Apocalypse, maybe it was just a bit too many characters.

I would argue that ensemble action isn't really anyone's specialty. The first Avengers and Civil War are really the only times I've seen it done noticeably well.

Yeah. Also, with city destruction, the CGI looks so much like CGI and not real.

 

[spider-neil]

I would argue that ensemble action isn't really anyone's specialty. The first Avengers and Civil War are really the only times I've seen it done noticeably well.

I think the bench mark for ensemble action is Civil War. I also really liked it in FC but that was because I was so engaged with what I was watching.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Singer doesn't like to do action for the sake of action so if singer had directed civil war we probably wouldn't have got the airport fight, and if we did... it probably wouldn't be very long at all.

 

[superweirdo87]

The OS are even worse than previously reported. Movie is at 339.6M OS, so it fell even more sharply than initially estimated.

 

[fallenAngel]

I think the bench mark for ensemble action is Civil War. I also really liked it in FC but that was because I was so engaged with what I was watching.

First Class wasn't bad, I would agree. It was still primarily isolated to one on one fights, or small team ups however. Banshee and Havok teaming up was fun, but Mystique didn't get much to do

I guess she learned her martial arts between FC and Dofp, then barely used it in Apocalypse.

 

[superweirdo87]

Well, J. Law hates the paint and Mystique usually does that stuff in her blue form.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well, J. Law hates the paint and Mystique usually does that stuff in her blue form.

Where was there room for her in the script to do any of that stuff anyway? the end battle where she was blue?

 

[spider-neil]

Is it too much to ask for a ensemble fight that is as long and creative as the airport fight in CW but with X-Men characters. Imagine that with X-Men on one side and the Shi-ar on the other.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Yeah that would be awesome.

 

[ApophènX]

Is it too much to ask for a ensemble fight that is as long and creative as the airport fight in CW but with X-Men characters. Imagine that with X-Men on one side and the Shi-ar on the other.

XMA endfight was creative in it's own way, more feeling like comic book pictures, Apocalypse crushing Charles, Psylocke slicing up the building.

They worked on the flow of it, when Nightcrawler take Charles in teleportation it really feels like a breath and later Jean calm her breath and the Phoenix. Or Charles going in the astral plane the camera drop in his eye like at the beggining of the movie, the eye on the pyramid in the vortex. (The eye was associate with Apocalypse, zoom on his eye when he awoke and other details.)

There was also something interesting, we have Psylocke strangling Beast and then later Beast choke her. Then we have Psylocke slicing the throat of Apoc and him responding by choking her to mere death. Those are really in tone of the man nd woman relationship that is the core of the movie. And it can be givin a meaning easely: both are repeating actions, struggling to get out of schem of the past. Wich lead to Charles getting out of them when freeing Jean.

All those little details give it a flow and made it special to me. It is more than action. I still want more elaborate fight but i want them to keep those kind of idea. Also the X-Team wasn't ready, they are just kids with no fight experience. It was the mistake of Charles and his the point of the movie. He should have trained them. It doesn't make lot of sense to dismiss the movie for it i think.

Curently watching X-Men evolution for the first time and positivly surprised, they are some cool things in there, some good fight and family mutant interactions.

 

[Frankeh]

I'm saying the X-Men can and should break from formula and there are about million different X-Men stories that would take them in a totally different direction.

Don't bother though, Charles/Magneto dichotomy is absolutely imperative to every X-Men story that hasn't been told on film! We're the ones out of touch with reality.

 

[def28]

The whitehouse scene in Dofp was mostly green screen, and the fights against the sentinels were great imo. And yeah, the intro was fantastic. Not sure why those turned out so much better than the final battle in Apocalypse, maybe it was just a bit too many characters.

I would argue that ensemble action isn't really anyone's specialty. The first Avengers and Civil War are really the only times I've seen it done noticeably well.

I wasn't really impressed with the Whitehouse stuff. The main standout sequence of DOFP was Quicksilver imo. That and Nightcrawler back in the day had everyone talking. They stole the show, I liked the use of Blink as well. But the others aside from a few moments (Storm and Mags combo) were not really given much with their potential.

I agree though, outside of the Avenger films not much has been done well in the realm of comic ensemble fights. Hopefully JL, X-Force, New Mutants and the next main X-Men film will get things a bit more right.

 

[Smilodon]

To be fair, the Avengers/CW are the only real comic book ensemble films right now besides the X-Men. So yeah, it's pretty easy to be underwhelmed by the X-Men films. Hopefully Miller brings some of what he brought to those video game trailers to Deadpool 2 and X-Force, and Boone turns out to have a good eye for action.

Nightcrawler could use another showcase like the White House assault though. The X-Men have the most diverse array of powers out there so it's really the director's responsibility that those are maximized. The Apocalypse team, missing a good chunk of popular X-Men, easily have enough powers to put on a show. Even more so if Betsy/Warren join.