Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[ApophènX]

Storm's hair comes from her family lineage not frickn Apocalypse

That was fun because when he's reaching to her, he call her "my godess". And in the comic that is where Professor X found her, in an island using her power as a godess. So it can on laugh on that. Wich is what was hilarious about Apocalypse, he really thinks he is serious, and he has serious stuff to say he does, but from the outside we look so goofy sometimes.

Now i want to see the X-Men taking shower with Storm, summer rain. After LGBT and mental ilness they could focus on parallels with nudity, naturalism or that sort of stuff. We need it, the banquise is goona melt and it's gonna bet to hot for close soon. For a first episode going on a mystrious island would be great, far from the city and destruction. Green relaxation, but traped of course and for an introduction on Sinister activities it could be great

 

[X-Maniac]

That was fun because when he's reaching to her, he call her "my godess". And in the comic that is where Professor X found her, in an island using her power as a godess. So it can on laugh on that. Wich is what was hilarious about Apocalypse, he really thinks he is serious, and he has serious stuff to say he does, but from the outside we look so goofy sometimes.

Now i want to see the X-Men taking shower with Storm, summer rain. After LGBT and mental ilness they could focus on parallels with nudity, naturalism or that sort of stuff. We need it, the banquise is goona melt and it's gonna bet to hot for close soon. For a first episode going on a mystrious island would be great, far from the city and destruction. Green relaxation, but traped of course and for an introduction on Sinister activities it could be great

We've already had a few islands in this film series (Magneto's island in X1, the battle at Ellis Island, then Alcatraz island in X3, then Cuba in First Class, then Three Mile Island in Origins).

But, if they can make it different, I'm up for another island. We haven't yet seen Krakoa, Genosha or Madripoor, and there was that Bermuda Triangle island that Magneto raised from the seabed as well.

As the Savage Land is apparently owned by Disney/Marvel, we could instead see Sinister running some sort of mysterious island and experimenting with mutations/evolution to advance mutants' powers even further. The various 'mutates' that Magneto had in the Savage Land could instead be Sinister's experiments. He could also have Havok and Emma Frost in captivity, having found Havok near the exploded mansion and rescued Emma from Trask's labs.

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[ApophènX]

As the Savage Land is apparently owned by Disney/Marvel, we could instead see Sinister running some sort of mysterious island and experimenting with mutations/evolution to advance mutants' powers even further. The various 'mutates' that Magneto had in the Savage Land could instead be Sinister's experiments. He could also have Havok and Emma Frost in captivity, having found Havok near the exploded mansion and rescued Emma from Trask's labs.

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that what i had in mind. Being in nature could be great for Storm and evolving her personna, it could be the first time she feel a real connection to it since she only knew cairo. And it would be all perverted by Sinister, we would have experiment on nature itself, the animals and mutant of course. There would be both technology, for Sinister, and something primal, tribal, with nature.

Going from Apocalypse it follow the theme of technology and it's limitation ect, wich is interesting to oppose to natural evolution or mutant evolution since they are connected to it in sole way, or so they think,we don't know, could be an hint for space.

I would more see Genosha and Magneto coming back in a third movie, he already has been there enough and they need to bring him in a subtle way. With the relation Quicksilver, i would see him leaving the X-Men at some point and going back to look for his father, he could then have the sale evolution as him in Apocalypse.

I really see it like this: first movie-sinister, island, nature, technology already. But start in the danger room and the mansion, to show a real school of mutant, all using their powers.

Second movie proteus and space, it evolve nice from the natural set up to go in a crazy advanced technology civilization, it can lead to some great question about many things. I really want to see it done with a dreamy feel, not too much time in space. It would be the weird episode, crazy but also psychologically and phylsophically chalenging. For Nightcrawler and his faith, comsic Phoenix force.The depth of the mind are the one of space, the inner and outer are the same and it could disturb them, feeling they were still not ready. A fleeting moment of love for Charles from another world maybe...

The final movie they go back from crazyness into space and find Genosha and lanny real political problems on earth. Magneto comes back, ... And it would end with an island made in space by Magneto for mutants, asteroid m. Wich would be a conclusion on theles of technology and nature and space, abit beetwen both worlds. I like what it represents and it would be coherent.

Of course along that you have Jean and Scott realtion evolving, the Phoenix rise why not. Also i would see another member to the team, like a younger maybe Kitty, she would be the fresh view since Scott, Jean, Nightcrawler, Storm and Quicksilver would already be well formed X-Men, at least the oldest. Also no more Mystique, she has disapear, maybe when she found Kurt was her son, and it would parallels the relation father/son Quicksilver is looking for. Having Jean and Scott becoming a couple and parents figure, they are lots of theme to dwell on. Also the relation of Charles and Ilandra would parallels there one, being so clear and love from the first sight sort of thing, when Jeand and Scott is more complicated.

I like Storm in the figure of mother nature and leader of the team, i would see her being in charge at the end of the trilogy. You star with nature and you end with nature. Cycle of life, and all the technology questions interesting, the danger room could be a thing, they are many things to go from with the X-Men

[As for nature and family i advice the movie The Witch, a pagan horror movie, really well made and thought]

 

[yaellen]

Chinese box office just breaks the 700m RMB line.

 

[Iceman]

The fact that the poll started on $600m says a lot about how expectations for blockbuster movies have changed over the years too.

Worldwide, DOFP is the only X-Men movie to have broken past $500m so none of the others at all would have made the cut. Even with ticket inflation taken into account, none of the other movies reach $600mil

I think expectations have gone up abroad due to the overseas expansion in many developing countries. Imagine how much Furious 7 would have made in China in the time of X1-X3 for eg. Shame that Apocalypse is struggling to match the original films domestically though.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Now i want to see the X-Men taking shower with Storm, summer rain. After LGBT and mental ilness they could focus on parallels with nudity, naturalism or that sort of stuff. We need it, the banquise is goona melt and it's gonna bet to hot for close soon. For a first episode going on a mystrious island would be great, far from the city and destruction. Green relaxation, but traped of course and for an introduction on Sinister activities it could be great

That works much better for a tv show rather then a movie

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't think there was anything bad enough in Apocalypse to warrant such a massive drop in box office from DOFP. Sure it wasn't as good as DOFP, but it wasn't atrocious. It wasn't ASM2 or BvS bad.

This seems to be a larger problem regarding interest in the franchise in general (aside from Deadpool). Whether it is the massive continuity problems, lack of development for the supporting cast, lack of an Iron Man or Batman like major draw, or something else entirely, FOX needs to step back and reassess why more people simply aren't interested in the X-Men right now. 10 years ago this was one of Marvel's top two properties, along with Spider-Man. It certainly isn't today. Something isn't clicking with audiences right now and it isn't easy (at least to me it isn't) to figure out what.

 

[ApophènX]

That works much better for a tv show rather then a movie

Sure but everything done in an inventive and coherent way works. It was most importantly to bring subject like nature, technology and mutation wich would be in continuity of Apocalypse and can create many great philosophical and political evolution in the discours of the X-Men and there place in the world.

I just tried to draw something coherent with the nature, technology, space, amazing technology from outer world, politcal issue and human technology in genosha (sentinel or others) and ending with asteroid m, wich would he a balance beetwen space and earth, since the mutant are a bit off this world.

But many ideas work wonder in animated shows of the X-Men and maybe many are not made for the big screen i agree. Maybe with technology improvement later ...

 

[GuestStar2004]

X-Men has always been the underdog, even going back to X2 it made half of what Spider-man 2 did, and again with X3 and Spider-man 3, The X-Men have certainly never been as big as the avengers in film.

I mean even The wolverine made quite abit less then half of what Iron man 3 did in 2013 and wolverine was meant to be the most marketable of the franchise so i still don't believe that rubbish about he needs to be with the X-Men to make money, that is a weird piece of logic that makes the franchise sound even worse off like you need to walk around egg shells to be a success while marvel don't need that and shockingly neither does deadpool.

A much larger audience doesn't seem to connect with the X-Men the way some of the other marvel movies have for a good long time now, infact FOX in general hasn't had much luck with its marvel movies.

 

[Frankeh]

This seems to be a larger problem regarding interest in the franchise in general (aside from Deadpool). Whether it is the massive continuity problems, lack of development for the supporting cast, lack of an Iron Man or Batman like major draw, or something else entirely, FOX needs to step back and reassess why more people simply aren't interested in the X-Men right now. 10 years ago this was one of Marvel's top two properties, along with Spider-Man. It certainly isn't today. Something isn't clicking with audiences right now and it isn't easy (at least to me it isn't) to figure out what.

Inconsistent quality (X3, XOW, now Apocalypse)
Costumes/comic accuracy
Overused tropes
Characters from the IP that could sell but aren't allowed to stand out

Is my hypothesis.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Interupting the doom and gloom talk of X-men but some need to accept soe facts.
X-men is more cult following than other studios.X-men at core with it's darkness,more serious themes,and allegory keeps audences limited.and these things were hardly invented for the films.

I am sick of discussing other studios CBF but let's discuss deadpool vs X-men.

Deadpool is in a lot of ways a comedy.granted r rated one.but still one.

when wade wilson is recruited is recruited the references of being turned into super hero is something you would never hear In X-men film.

With deadpool you would never have an idea there is any negativity of being a mutant.

Fox's rivals often make films where it's all about having fun and crowd plesing films that aren't very deep and doesn't force people to think on
issues.

With apocalypse it's also time some faced the fact first class cast doesn't
have appeal the original cast did.

Critics gunning for apocalypse didn't help matters.

now if the X_Men would have had the colorful costumes during battle in egypt that they had at end of the film would that make a deference?
I don't know.

X-Men films made at fox will also never get push of promation the way other studios push comic book films since fox doesn't have animation,TV and merchandize rights for X-men.

now apoclaypse has picked up another 1 million wedsday.bringing it up to 139 million domesticly.it's up to 483 Million WW with 139 million domesticly
and 343 million OS.

 

[GuestStar2004]

With apocalypse it's also time some faced the fact first class cast doesn't
have appeal the original cast did.

Or maybe the franchise doesn't have as much appeal as... id like to say it once did but compared to spider-man it never quite took off the same way even though X-Men and Spider-man were kinda what brought comic book movies back to the big screen.

Truth be told if jackman in his own solos can't make as much as deadpool then i guess we will have to face it that one of the Original cast doesn't appeal the same way one of the lesser known characters like deadpool did...

The problem is clearly not with the casts but the franchise, DOFP had what i'd called Spider-man 3 syndrome, it had venom,sandman, the black suit, harry as goblin something i guess, it was probably the biggest crazy in scale super hero movie until the avengers, While DOFP had all that terminator stuff, robots, time travel, the cross over gimmick, it was all there while none of the X-Men movies before that had any of that sorta thing so its understandable it would attract some curiosity.

I think apocalypse promised alot but somehow it never felt or looked how it was promised to be even in the trailers.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

X-Men has always been the underdog, even going back to X2 it made half of what Spider-man 2 did, and again with X3 and Spider-man 3, The X-Men have certainly never been as big as the avengers in film.

I mean even The wolverine made quite abit less then half of what Iron man 3 did in 2013 and wolverine was meant to be the most marketable of the franchise so i still don't believe that rubbish about he needs to be with the X-Men to make money, that is a weird piece of logic that makes the franchise sound even worse off like you need to walk around egg shells to be a success while marvel don't need that and shockingly neither does deadpool.

A much larger audience doesn't seem to connect with the X-Men the way some of the other marvel movies have for a good long time now, infact FOX in general hasn't had much luck with its marvel movies.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I really do think they had a real decent chance of becoming a top level franchise with The Last Stand. X2 was popular and there seemed to be a lot of buzz for X3 with the Dark Phoenix storyline compared to the usual level of X-Men buzz. But it sucked and the franchise has been playing catch up relative to the competition ever since.

Maybe you can trace the issues back all the way to X1, but I think TLS was the best opportunity for the franchise to take the next step and it didn't happen.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I wish there was a way to more easily access the demographics that go to these movies. I would love to see if there were any specific groups (men, women, adults, teenagers, etc.) that the X-Men are particularly struggling with.

 

[ApophènX]

I think apocalypse promised alot but somehow it never felt or looked how it was promised to be even in the trailers.

And i'm happy it didn't, i think most fans expect too much how the final product should look and this enhanced a lot by all the internet non-stop information feed, all the updates, photos and littles news to untertain people.

The trailer looked bad to me and i was happily surprised, the movie felt bold, it is really different frol DoFP in the tone,even if it is not a total breakup. And i'm happy if a movie don't look how he was sell or supposed to be.

 

[magneto23]

Inconsistent quality (X3, XOW, now Apocalypse)
Costumes/comic accuracy
Overused tropes
Characters from the IP that could sell but aren't allowed to stand out

Is my hypothesis.

Pretty much this. Quality being the key. They made a mediocre film. This type of movie needs good reviews and good word of mouth.

Also releasing over seas ahead of US hurt it. The mixed reception totally ruined the hype here. And people had to stew on that for two weeks.

Plus it seems like a crowded summer. That didn't help.

And I don't doubt that superhero fatigue hasn't set in a little for this calendar year. Apocalypse being the fourth one released in as many months.

 

[ApophènX]

double

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Or maybe the franchise doesn't have as much appeal as... id like to say it once did but compared to spider-man it never quite took off the same way even though X-Men and Spider-man were kinda what brought comic book movies back to the big screen.

Truth be told if jackman in his own solos can't make as much as deadpool then i guess we will have to face it that one of the Original cast doesn't appeal the same way one of the lesser known characters like deadpool did...

The problem is clearly not with the casts but the franchise, DOFP had what i'd called Spider-man 3 syndrome, it had venom,sandman, the black suit, harry as goblin something i guess, it was probably the biggest crazy in scale super hero movie until the avengers, While DOFP had all that terminator stuff, robots, time travel, the cross over gimmick, it was all there while none of the X-Men movies before that had any of that sorta thing so its understandable it would attract some curiosity.

I think apocalypse promised alot but somehow it never felt or looked how it was promised to be even in the trailers.

Because this is X-Men

This isn't

Say what you want about MCU but this

Looks like this

 

[ApophènX]

Those are appearance, how A fan about mutant and people different, wich should allow to look beyond appearance canno't see the core and heart of the X-Men is there and dismissed it for costumes that were likely took because of Matrix or the times they were created in. The tone of the X1 and X2 is the early 2000's and it is. It even inspired Morrison run wich was great and real X-Men time with more idea than many autors can have in way more time.

You like something about differences but when they make it different you are all dismissing it...

To nuance, i perfectly understand the costume are part of the X-Men mentality and their originality, showing of in colorfull clothes but XMA is getting there so why still keep arguing about the first trilogy wich was a product of his tile like the X-Men spandex were in the 60's and like there new costume were later and evolved

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'm reluctant to say that the entire concept is simply outdated or doesn't appeal to enough people. Harry Potter is very similar in its basic conflict, with a group of good wizards who live at a school fighting to save regular humans from the evil supremacist wizards. That series never had problems staying relevant.

 

[Iceman]

Imagine the Avengers all in black permanently.

 

[Smilodon]

Inconsistent quality (X3, XOW, now Apocalypse)
Costumes/comic accuracy
Overused tropes
Characters from the IP that could sell but aren't allowed to stand out

Is my hypothesis.

I don't think costumes or the tropes are the real issue, because other superhero films get flack for similar things in terms of repeating certain plot points. (Which doesn't excuse X-Men from having them of course, but I think it's the least of the issues). Continuity isn't also really a big deal either because most people aren't even aware of those issues and or it only really came up due to FC in 2011.

I think it's just that the X-Men characters aren't being allowed to appeal to the GA in the way that the MCU is. Partially because it's had a rather narrow focus in terms of its characters, but I think the big chunk of it is just we're only getting these movies every few years. So of course when you're thinking in terms of just trilogies or fixing stuff that prior movies screwed up you're gonna have to build around a core few characters to tell this singular story. The MCU can offer a multitude of movies in which different characters can appear and ultimately, elevate those characters through those films.

The X-Men aren't elevating any of their characters right now, partially because the films are inconsistent, but even when they're good, they're not happening frequently enough to make a lasting impression on the GA. It's "Oh okay, that was a good/great/excellent/crap film." but none of "OMG, what's next for the X-Men universe!??" There's never the "We gotta watch the next Marvel Studios movie to figure it out!" kinda rewarding audiences for following along.

Deadpool's success gives me hope that they can start elevating characters in a Iron Man/Captain America like way.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The black outfits obviously came with the paranoid period of 2000 when they would make yellow spandex jokes, but the end of apocalypse was certainly an achievement costume wise

 

[StormC]

I mean even The wolverine made quite abit less then half of what Iron man 3 did in 2013 and wolverine was meant to be the most marketable of the franchise so i still don't believe that rubbish about he needs to be with the X-Men to make money, that is a weird piece of logic that makes the franchise sound even worse off like you need to walk around egg shells to be a success while marvel don't need that and shockingly neither does deadpool.

The fact that the Wolverine didn't even scratch the surface of Iron Man 3's box office doesn't negate the fact that Wolverine is the biggest draw of the X-Men movie franchise. IM3 came off of the 1.5 billion dollar phenomenon that was the Avengers, what was Wolverine coming off of? First Class with a 20 second cameo? X-Men Origins? X-Men 3? It's proportional to the franchise itself, not to another franchise (you know, the one that's the most successful movie franchise in history).

Try making a solo film about any of the other X-Men and see who shows up. I'm actually curious how Wolverine 3 will perform, since it's Hugh Jackman's last turn at the role and DOFP is still fresh in people's minds.

 

[kineticist]

http://pro.boxoffice.com/weekend-forecast-finding-dory-central-intelligence/

Prediction of 5m this weekend. It'll hit 500m ww this weekend.