Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[TheNewSlayer]

Just because it was a hit at the box office doesn't mean it didn't hurt the franchise overall. It was a massive step down in quality from the previous film and the audience reception after that showed it. That coupled with the absolutely awful Origins, which was also a success at the BO, completely turned people off and the franchise was stuck for years. This isn't a franchise like Transformers or Pirates where it'll do big numbers no matter the quality of the film. These films need to continually produce good storytelling and characterizations in order to be successful.

The progression from First Class >> DOFP >> and now Apocalypse is proof of that. A bad movie in this franchise can completely ruin any momentum they've built up. Thankfully, they aren't in as dire straits as they were back during the X3/Origins days since they have Deadpool and other potential spinoffs planned.

X-Men Apocalypse is not a bad movie at all. Is actually awesome and consider even better than DOFP.

I even made a poll about that (not here) and most people actually prefer X-Men Apocalypse of DOFP.

Haters and mindless people will always agree with critics to make it sound like the movie is bad.

Also, both X-Men First Class and Deadpool are really overrated.

 

[GuestStar2004]

They'd somehow reveal that Cyclops didn't die case we never saw his body in X3.

Jean would become the White Phoenix and return.

Xavier was already revealed to be alive by the end of X3.

Doing all 3 of those would have been abit much, Xaviers resurrection already had a head start.

 

[2kt09]

They'd somehow reveal that Cyclops didn't die case we never saw his body in X3.

Jean would become the White Phoenix and return.

Xavier was already revealed to be alive by the end of X3.

We saw what happened to Wolverine after the events of X3 in his movie The Wolverine.

The first two would be harder to pull off I'd wager. Plus, I'd rather they'd stick to their guns on having those two gone.

Xavier was revealed, but I would also conjecture he would need time to recover before he reveals himself to the remaining X-Men. Or his twin's body is in worse shape than Stephen Hawking.

Indeed we did see Wolvie, but we haven't seen the X-Men during all his time away.

 

[SuperT]

X-Men Apocalypse is not a bad movie at all. Is actually awesome and consider even better than DOFP.

I even made a poll about that (not here) and most people actually prefer X-Men Apocalypse of DOFP.

Haters and mindless people will always agree with critics to make it sound like the movie is bad.

Also, both X-Men First Class and Deadpool are really overrated.

This is all based on personal opinion, at the end of the day the box office and the general audience reaction determine what's what. Where did I say Apocalypse was a bad film? It's not bad, but it's certainly not a great film especially coming off the heels of Deadpool and Civil War. There's no question it's a step down in quality from First Class, DoFP or even Singers two earlier films.

It's not anywhere close to X3 or Origin levels but it's just fine/mediocre. That's not going to cut it with this franchise or in this current movie landscape. This franchise has so much potential that they still haven't tapped into after seven films. That tells me it's time for a new creative team - Deadpool has already proven what can happen when you get a creative team that can inject some fun and freshness into a project.

 

[ApophènX]

Still totally subjective, XMA was way more deep and gives me way more chills than Deadpool. They had potential to do something really new and they didn't, it start creative and fun but they don't twist and just fall in the same old stuff everybody did before. Only it is R-rated.

Most people who bash the movie don't even seem to have understand it, they focuse on little details and think they made no sense but they just did not make sens of it.

 

[Zarex]

As in they expected to stop after X3 or always intended to go into the past? It was all just rumours of course but at the time there was a recurring one about X3 and X4 being filmed concurrently. Which of course didn't happen at all but that kind of ambition (in whatever form) is what the franchise needed at that key time capitalising on a great reception to X2. Instead I think a chunk of the GA just gave up on the series after X3 and missed out on the likes of Fassbender and McAvoy even if they would have liked them.

My recollection is that Rothman was done with X-Men team films due to the budgets nearly tripling in the six years since the initial X-Men film. The plan was to focus on less expensive solo features, with a Magneto origin film following Wolverine. The Magneto film morphed into First Class. My guess is the success of Iron Man and especially TDK convinced Tom that there was still some juice left in the superhero movie genre.

 

[Erzengel]

Now he's at Sony under the direction of MCU for Spider-Man.

 

[Sithborg]

Sounding like $2.4 mil for Mon. Only $400k behind TMNT.

 

[Iceman]

My recollection is that Rothman was done with X-Men team films due to the budgets nearly tripling in the six years since the initial X-Men film. The plan was to focus on less expensive solo features, with a Magneto origin film following Wolverine. The Magneto film morphed into First Class. My guess is the success of Iron Man and especially TDK convinced Tom that there was still some juice left in the superhero movie genre.

I remember those yes. Rothman is pretty much the main reason why X-films, even with an 8 year headstart are nowhere near where the MCU is. The characters have been around for decades and have proven long term popularity and the material is there to create both great quality films and ones that will be very popular with the GA. His views have been proven to have been wrong with what other films have achieved and as a result Fox have lost out on a goldmine. How does this guy manage to stay employed in this business?

 

[fallenAngel]

I remember those yes. Rothman is pretty much the main reason why X-films, even with an 8 year headstart are nowhere near where the MCU is. The characters have been around for decades and have proven long term popularity and the material is there to create both great quality films and ones that will be very popular with the GA. His views have been proven to have been wrong with what other films have achieved and as a result Fox have lost out on a goldmine. How does this guy manage to stay employed in this business?

Pretty much. His neglect and disinterest harmed the franchise more than anything else.

Essentially forcing X3 to be the finale is why so much of the continuity became messed up. Though I do understand that the price tag may not have been worth it.

It's really interesting to think that both the Dark Knight and Iron man really saved the superhero franchise right as it was about to more or less die again. After The Last Stand, Fantastic Four, Daredevil and Spider-Man 3, things weren't looking great

 

[superweirdo87]

Rothman was clearly bad for Fox-Marvel. But Fox had some highs during his run.

Wikipedia: "During Rothman's tenure, Fox films were nominated for over 150 Oscars and won three Best Picture Awards.[7] The company also earned over $30 billion in the box office and made the two highest grossing films of all time, Titanic and Avatar"

 

[Iceman]

Pretty much. His neglect and disinterest harmed the franchise more than anything else.

Essentially forcing X3 to be the finale is why so much of the continuity became messed up. Though I do understand that the price tag may not have been worth it.

It's really interesting to think that both the Dark Knight and Iron man really saved the superhero franchise right as it was about to more or less die again. After The Last Stand, Fantastic Four, Daredevil and Spider-Man 3, things weren't looking great

Yes. And even if it does die in a way again, it will always be back again one day as studios have seen how much money can be made in the genre when it is done right. If X3 had been as good as DoFP and left flexibility with timelines, this would likely be a much bigger franchise right now.

 

[DarkSouls]

Rothman was clearly bad for Fox-Marvel. But Fox had some highs during his run.

Wikipedia: "During Rothman's tenure, Fox films were nominated for over 150 Oscars and won three Best Picture Awards.[7] The company also earned over $30 billion in the box office and made the two highest grossing films of all time, Titanic and Avatar"

Comic book fans also forget that Brett Ratner isn't actually a bad director. But because he and Rothman ****ed over X-Men so bad...

 

[kineticist]

So back to the box office discussion....

It's predicted to top out at $110m in China ($6m less than DOFP)
http://chinafilminsider.com/china-box-office-apocalypse-starts-big-warcraft-opening-clip-wings/

 

[DarkSouls]

So back to the box office discussion....

It's predicted to top out at $110m in China ($6m less than DOFP)
http://chinafilminsider.com/china-box-office-apocalypse-starts-big-warcraft-opening-clip-wings/

That's not bad, especially given competition. So what's the predicted total gross? I'd say between $550million and $650million.

 

[harryoscop]

So back to the box office discussion....

It's predicted to top out at $110m in China ($6m less than DOFP)
http://chinafilminsider.com/china-box-office-apocalypse-starts-big-warcraft-opening-clip-wings/

 

[fallenAngel]

Comic book fans also forget that Brett Ratner isn't actually a bad director. But because he and Rothman ****ed over X-Men so bad...

It is a good way of also highlighting that Marvel will NEVER be beat at their own game if for no other reason Marvel does nothing else, whereas these two and other filmmakers, studio execs, producers etc do.

Why would Rothman care about the X-men specifically if he has other multi-million dollar franchises? Fox has lots of sci-fi films, where as Marvel is solely dedicated to making comic book movies and have the financial backing of Disney.

The quality unfortunately won't ever be as consistent or faithful for X-men as it is for Marvel because of this. However, the franchise can also take more risks (i.e. Deadpool) and arguably rise to be a better film in it's own right. Also, the acting talent is also a bit better in the X-men movies imo.

So sometimes the X-men being with a normal film studio is a bit of a wash, but they cannot hope to compete by doing the same thing that Marvel is doing and no one should really want them to try necessarily.

DC can't really either, their only trump card is they have all their characters and broader name recognition.

 

[superweirdo87]

This is all based on personal opinion, at the end of the day the box office and the general audience reaction determine what's what. Where did I say Apocalypse was a bad film? It's not bad, but it's certainly not a great film especially coming off the heels of Deadpool and Civil War. There's no question it's a step down in quality from First Class, DoFP or even Singers two earlier films.

It's not anywhere close to X3 or Origin levels but it's just fine/mediocre. That's not going to cut it with this franchise or in this current movie landscape. This franchise has so much potential that they still haven't tapped into after seven films. That tells me it's time for a new creative team - Deadpool has already proven what can happen when you get a creative team that can inject some fun and freshness into a project.

I agree!

 

[ImSGirl95]

Why would Rothman care about the X-men specifically if he has other multi-million dollar franchises? Fox has lots of sci-fi films,

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This!

Fox literally has huge and succesfull sci-fi franchises - Apes, Avatar, Alien/Predator/Prometheus, Maze Runner, etc ...
If something doesn't work, they just move on.
Even look at last year, they literally confirmed that F4 (a comic-book movie) is the reason they got millions in loses. They blamed F4.
Really, no wonder they didn't want to make Deadpool and cut its budget down.

 

[ImSGirl95]

That tells me it's time for a new creative team - Deadpool has already proven what can happen when you get a creative team that can inject some fun and freshness into a project.

Yes. As I stated a few pages back, if I was FOX, I will say buh-bye to all of the creative team (Donner, Kinberg, Singer). All of them. Bye! Get lost!
And get some really new ones. Who haven't worked on any X-Men before. Who is/are willing to stand and be X-Men fans.

 

[Sithborg]

Donner isn't part of the creative team.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Suppose the question is what does she do for the franchise?

 

[Double B]

You really can't exaggerate the damage that X3, and by extension those at Fox at the time, did to this franchise in its current incarnation. Yes, it was getting expensive, yes, cast budget was beginning to balloon, but had they nurtured the cast, nurtured the franchise and took more care, the potential financial dividends could've off-set any budget increases.

Bringing the main franchise to a premature end with a subpar film, and releasing an even more subpar spin-off was a critical 1-2 punch that they've never recovered from. It's still a shame to see that these X-movies just aren't capitalising on the massive appetite for superhero movies.

 

[JEM]

Donner is still important for X Men franchise. It isn't because she doesn't talk in public that she is absent. Since the beginning, she worked with Reynolds to make Deadpool, same with Tatum on Gambit. Drew Mcweeny said she is involved in New Mutant casting.

For years, she fight for Deadpool, R-Rating, spin-off, TV show and expanded universe, give her credit t:. Now, i think the big change will be Singer.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

I wonder when will they reveal the date for the new X-Men movie.