Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[Xrated48]

I wonder when will they reveal the date for the new X-Men movie.

Probably 2019 or 2020 at this point

 

[BeholdMe]

The general audience doesn't give a damn about the original cast coming back other than Hugh Jackman. These are iconic characters that can be played by any actor and the audience will go see it as long as the writing, acting and characterizations are on point.

It's time to move on - let the newer, young cast breath some much needed life into this franchise from here instead of moving backwards. Move on, drop Singer and get a new creative team for the next movie.

Yes to this it's a few in the OT whom were the draw but the big one was Wolverine. As long as a popular character is portrayed correctly by another actor it won't be a big deal to many except the few who can't let go of the OT.

 

[Alison Blaire]

The general audience doesn't give a damn about the original cast coming back other than Hugh Jackman. These are iconic characters that can be played by any actor and the audience will go see it as long as the writing, acting and characterizations are on point.

It's time to move on - let the newer, young cast breath some much needed life into this franchise from here instead of moving backwards. Move on, drop Singer and get a new creative team for the next movie.

]The general audience doesn't give a damn about the new teen versions coming back.The people are tired,Apocalypse is a big flop.

 

[JEM]

I wonder when will they reveal the date for the new X-Men movie.

After 550 million WW, we could have some news, maybe.

 

[GuestStar2004]

they won't release info until there is a reason too.

 

[Xrated48]

]The general audience doesn't give a damn about the new teen versions coming back.The people are tired,Apocalypse is a big flop.

I wouldn't say Apocalypse was a big flop but it definitely underperformed at the box office

 

[BeholdMe]

]The general audience doesn't give a damn about the new teen versions coming back.The people are tired,Apocalypse is a big flop.

It wasn't a flop just its not performing to its best, Which is not because of the new cast as was stated before that's for other reasons entirely as to why the movie is doing what it is. It has ZERO to do with the OT not being present contrary as to what you and psylockecolossus may think. If it was an overall good movie and the characters were utilized correctly it would have certainly done leaps and bounds better, let's not reach here.

 

[JEM]

We have Comic-Con 2016 in July. No panel for Fox but some news could be cool (Wolverine 3, Legion, New Mutant). I hope.

 

[SuperT]

]The general audience doesn't give a damn about the new teen versions coming back.The people are tired,Apocalypse is a big flop.

People aren't tired because of the new characters and they aren't tired because of the new young actors either. People are tired because we've gotten the same storylines, character beats, character focus etc. repeated over and over, there was nothing new in Apocalypse. So your idea of putting new energy into this franchise is to bring back the original cast that hasn't led a movie together since 2006?! LOLOL

In fact, the younger characters are the ones getting the most consistent praise. Why? Because they are exactly what this franchise needs. Turner, McPhee, Sheridan and Shipp - they injected something new, young, fresh, fun and a little playful to a franchise that has been a little dour and stuck in a rut. There's excitement there with them because it's a chance to do something new with those characters that's radically different from what we've gotten before.

We're only going to get that though if we get a new creative team. These actors and those characters have so much potential for story to tell.

 

[Alison Blaire]

People aren't tired because of the new characters and they aren't tired because of the new young actors either. People are tired because we've gotten the same storylines, character beats, character focus etc. repeated over and over, there was nothing new in Apocalypse. So your idea of putting new energy into this franchise is to bring back the original cast that hasn't led a movie together since 2006?! LOLOL

In fact, the younger characters are the ones getting the most consistent praise. Why? Because they are exactly what this franchise needs. Turner, McPhee, Sheridan and Shipp - they injected something new, young, fresh, fun and a little playful to a franchise that has been a little dour and stuck in a rut. There's excitement there with them because it's a chance to do something new with those characters that's radically different from what we've gotten before.

We're only going to get that though if we get a new creative team. These actors and those characters have so much potential for story to tell.

I'm desagree about the new teen versions,
they lack the charisma of the original cast.

 

[SuperT]

I'm desagree about the new teen versions,
they lack the charisma of the original cast.

They've been in one damn movie, jeez. The original cast didn't particularly ooze charisma or chemistry during their first outing either.

 

[imfinewithit]

I mean, regardless of public opinion, at this point it's pretty obvious the OT cast is done due to how explicitly they've dated all of the characters. They're not going to do a movie where Deadpool teams up with senior citizens. It's time to let go of the past and embrace the...hm...past?

 

[Alison Blaire]

I mean, regardless of public opinion, at this point it's pretty obvious the OT cast is done due to how explicitly they've dated all of the characters. They're not going to do a movie where Deadpool teams up with senior citizens. It's time to let go of the past and embrace the...hm...past?

Yeah,the next movie!

 

[RLAAMJR.]

don't you all think it's time for the x-men movies to rest for a while?

 

[Sithborg]

Not really. 3 years in between movies is a fine wait.

 

[ApophènX]

And we will be needing the X-Men much to save us from the ever spreading MCU, eater of world until none is left

 

[Snikt]

don't you all think it's time for the x-men movies to rest for a while?

I don't understand your posts sometimes. You're championing Bryan Singer before the film, saying it'll make tons of money and I know you love the X-Men Franchise.

Now you've been saying Singer needs to go and the X-Men need a rest?

It's cool you feel this way, just wondering where the complete 180 degree change of opinion came from?

 

[henzINNIT]

It wasn't a flop just its not performing to its best, Which is not because of the new cast as was stated before that's for other reasons entirely as to why the movie is doing what it is. It has ZERO to do with the OT not being present contrary as to what you and psylockecolossus may think. If it was an overall good movie and the characters were utilized correctly it would have certainly done leaps and bounds better, let's not reach here.

That's just an impossible claim to make. First Class experienced a massive boost when the OG cast came aboard for DOFP, and ticket sales took a dip when they left for Apocalypse. Correlation isn't causation in every case but this shouldn't be immediately dismissed.

I mean, regardless of public opinion, at this point it's pretty obvious the OT cast is done due to how explicitly they've dated all of the characters. They're not going to do a movie where Deadpool teams up with senior citizens. It's time to let go of the past and embrace the...hm...past?

I hear "the cast is too old" quite a lot but yet never hear any complaints about RDJ.

The reason why people harp on about the original cast is because there is a cast there. The OT had ton of essential characters played by stars that the general audience are attached to. Only 4 characters consistantly appeared in the First Class trilogy*, and all of them are also represented among the original cast by actors regarded as being as good or better in the role. That's a problem. XM:A has made steps to remedy this with a good line-up, but it may be a little too late. There is no-one to anchor the next film with, so unless the marketing is flat out awesome I expect the next film to struggle.

*There's actually 5 characters to appear in every film, but no-one cares about Havok.

 

[Tilapia]

With Deadpool 2 probably 2018, it would probably be at least 2020 until X-Force as Deadpool and Cable would both be involved again and the cast/crew will need an extra year to prepare. From that standpoint, I can see the next X-film as early as 2019, assuming nothing is happening Fall 2018. Regardless, I expect that film to be 80s, as there is no way they are doing three present day movies three straight years, four years if you count Wolverine 3.

If the OT is to be back, you can give them cameos in Deadpool 2 and X-Force. They won't be front and center, and that's for the best. Won't be cheap regardless.

 

[BeholdMe]

I mean, regardless of public opinion, at this point it's pretty obvious the OT cast is done due to how explicitly they've dated all of the characters. They're not going to do a movie where Deadpool teams up with senior citizens. It's time to let go of the past and embrace the...hm...past?

lol I love it ^

 

[BeholdMe]

That's just an impossible claim to make. First Class experienced a massive boost when the OG cast came aboard for DOFP, and ticket sales took a dip when they left for Apocalypse. Correlation isn't causation in every case but this shouldn't be immediately dismissed.

You should go back and read my posts on the matter because I've explained it. Yes the OT have a nostalgia feel to them because they are the originals BUT as SuperT said you put any actor in the role as long as their favorite character is represented right and actually apart of the story it will still get the same amount of love. I love Storm not Halle Berry or Alexandra Shipp so as long as she is shown right I'm more than happy. The problem lies with people thinking they are the end all be all when as was stated a big draw for XMen was Wolverine because of how awesome Hugh Jackman did with the role as well as Stewart and McKellan. The sales dip isn't a lack of the OT or the introduction of a new cast, yet a cluttered rushed movie with popular XMen relegated to silent henchman in order to give a villian who is fleshed out more oppurtunity to spread his wings and to some a certain someone leading the XMen.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

I don't understand your posts sometimes. You're championing Bryan Singer before the film, saying it'll make tons of money and I know you love the X-Men Franchise.

Now you've been saying Singer needs to go and the X-Men need a rest?

It's cool you feel this way, just wondering where the complete 180 degree change of opinion came from?

I also don't understand him sometimes. Is like two different people use the same account.

Sometimes he acts like loves X-Men Apocalypse, then, acts like hated the movie. Then cheer the new x-men, then hate the new x-men.

I honestly don't know if he is a troll or just confused.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't entirely agree. I think the original team would have done better here and in some markets, but I don't think the box office drop is all due to the First Class crew. Sequels are falling in general. Stark Trek did 257, then STID did similarly to DOFP, 228. Box Office Pro sees Star Trek Beyond making 159M. We'll have to see how Star Trek Beyond does, but the fall seems to suggest broad forces at play. Sequels have fallen across the board.

"Before we blame franchise fatigue as the catalyst for paltry Memorial Day openings, we need to also acknowledge the overall downward trend in openings for sequels this year. It’s been rampant across all genres including Ride Along 2, The Divergent Series: Allegiant." --Deadline
That stuff seems to imply that while the OT may have done better, other things are happening too, and a sequel with them would have faced those difficulties as well.

If Fox made a sequel with the OT with little Wolverine that had mixed/weak review, so-so WOM, and a drop off like other franchises, they might have concluded that the OT is not the way to go. I would also imagine that the press might have been down on the choice to use the OT if they did X5 instead of XMA and it had mixed reviews. With Alice, TMNT, etc, X-Men might not have gotten much scrutiny.

But, using the OT to mixed reception after DOFP may have also affect how people see the franchise's future. That is bad now. Lots of calls for change, and change needs to happen. But notices have been positive for the young X-Men characters. If it had been weakly reviewed with subpar WOM, people might be even more down on the franchise and future installments. Given the last movie with the OT alone was X3, headlining another poorly received team movie may have tainted them.

You know something is wrong when X-Men had a giant leap at the box-office when the original cast then took a nose dive when it was just the First Class cast again to headline a X-Men moie. Then you had that successful Deadpool movie that didn't have the nostalgia factor or build-up/goodwill from the last movie and it came out just a few months after this.

The X-Men franchise can't rely on this cast alone. X3 was disappointing to many and yet Origins: Wolverine still opened big with negative reviews. While this one had the goodwill from Deadpool/DOFP and still failed to at least open big or closer to the OW of those films (well at least DOFP).

 

[Avalanche]

It was pretty obvious the movie was going to under perform for a while now. I don't know what some of these outrageous $1 billion predictions were about earlier in the year. The reviews didn't help, of course, but it always felt like this was going to take less than DoFP.

Let's just hope they don't put the sequels on ice for too long. They may wait and see how the next Deadpool and New Mutants perform before they truly commit.

 

[psylockolussus]

Shed a tear for what X4 could have been.

The young, at the time, cast would have taken over.
The old ones would be mentoring. Storm in charge of the school with Beast popping in from time to time.
Wolverine would obviously be mia.
The "cure" is apparently temporary. Maybe throw in a plot point in which it somehow enhanced them.

It just sucked that Fox was so into their X-Men Origins movies. The first one was Wolverine. then Magneto one was absorbed into the Professor X origin story. And oh yeah The Japan Wolverine movie was also already in their plans way back X3 was released. They didn't want to make the Japan movie first but after an origin movie was released.

Then those two movies shoehorned Gambit, Emma, Banshee and when they could have been introduced in X4/X5/X6.... and now they are just 1 and done characters and now the X-Men are freaking stuck in the past. I would have been a lot happier with just a X-Men 4 movie with Gambit introduced than Origins. then a X-Men 5 movie with Emma/Hellfire Club introduced. More X-Men team stuff!