Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[TheNewSlayer]

As far as I'm concerned X-Men Apocalypse was awesome the way it was. Sure I could use more scenes for some beloved characters but that doesn't make the movie any less awesome.

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[GuestStar2004]

You bring up a good point. As I've said before, Vaughn set up the X-Men and the Brotherhood, and Singer decided against that, killing off Azazel, Angel, Riptide, Banshee, Emma Frost, and only including Havok in one scene, instead of keeping him involved.

To be fair we don't know if that happened before vaughn left or after, but either way even if vaughn was responsible... singer could have changed that like he did the juggernaut stuff

 

[GuestStar2004]

As far as I'm concerned X-Men Apocalypse was awesome the way it was. Sure I could use more scenes for some beloved characters but that doesn't make the movie any less awesome.

I agree i really like X-Men: Apocalypse.

 

[Smilodon]

As far as I'm concerned X-Men Apocalypse was awesome the way it was. Sure I could use more scenes for some beloved characters but that doesn't make the movie any less awesome.

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That's fine if you enjoyed it but the film had problems and wasn't received well. Things need to change. Dismissing the people who didn't enjoy it as biased or as haters doesn't change the reality of an underwhelming film from a business perspective.

 

[SuperT]

You bring up a good point. As I've said before, Vaughn set up the X-Men and the Brotherhood, and Singer decided against that, killing off Azazel, Angel, Riptide, Banshee, Emma Frost, and only including Havok in one scene, instead of keeping him involved.

Now, that worked fine for DOFP. But then he realized he wanted an X-Men team to fight another threat (Apocalypse), so he had to set up an extra set of characters in this movie, discarding the FC team as just a "tactical team" and calling his team the REAL X-Men to hype the movie.

And that's the problem with Singer/Kinberg "take it one movie at a time" approach. Had he kept the Brotherhood and the X-Men from FC, maybe this movie wouldn't have been so cluttered setting up so many characters. Maybe we could've even had an experienced X-Men team uniting with the Brotherhood against Apocalypse.

Or maybe they should've made a Magneto/Charles origin movie first, and then a First Class movie with the actual First Class mentioned in X1 (Jean, Cyclops and Storm) instead of retconning stuff by doing both in a single movie.

Decisions, decisions.

Agreed. DoFP is my second favorite X-movie (tied with X2) but I think it would have worked infinitely better if they had kept the status quo from the First Class ending. Have Magneto leading a Brotherhood of Mystique/Emma/Azazel/Angel/Quicksilver + anyone else in the assassination attempt and Xavier/Beast/Havok/Banshee leading an X-Men team to try and stop them.

They could still keep the entire future scenes and Wolverine being the person sent back and I think the movie would still have worked perfectly fine. DoFP is great but the only issue I have with it is that the conflict in the past was just strictly between four people (Prof/Mags/Mystique/Beast) so it came off really small scale, when it could have been huge. Especially with the addition of the Sentinels - imagine that brawl at the White House with the X-Men vs. The Brotherhood vs. Sentinels instead of just Beast and Wolvie taking on one.

 

[Frankeh]

Exactly, I'm pretty sure Singer and Kinberg did not intend for the film to be received the way it has been.

Besides, CBMs of this magnitude aren't art house films* that can afford to be controversial or divisive. They are made to be liked by the majority and to make money. This movie failed on that front.

*No, this does not make Apocalypse an art house film, and no it is not a good thing that they made a movie that divided people.

 

[Erzengel]

Singer's approach has been more story driven than action driven.

I would have loved to see an all out battle taking place in the past between the First Class X-Men and the 70s Sentinels while the Future X-Men fought the newer ones even as a backdrop to the whole Magneto/Raven/Xavier standoff.

 

[Smilodon]

Not to mention they could've made Banshee and Beast and the other Brotherhood members Horsemen, thereby keeping the principal of stuff like Archangel alive without having to waste characters like Betsy and Warren. Storm could've been recruited normally as well.

(Even though Vaughn wanted to skip a decade, you could've most def kept more characters.)

 

[ApophènX]

I wouldn't sacrify the harmony and flow of the film for a better fight scene. Even thoug i really want to see some.

In fact i loved the fight at the end of Apocalypse, it felt so immense and intimate a the same time, i think this division is there through the all movie. They are some weak moment and dialogues but right after you get a build up and the Cerebro moment. The same with the end, it just felt powerfull. Without ninja action more clear image, iconic, and if you really dive in them, they're worth it.

It is like the Nightcrawler jump, it felt like a breath and was so short but they really touched something. Jean later ease her breath too, when she's stop being Phoenix. I really like how they build up that, felt really organic. They really push on expression. And that is force, every characters had a feeling according to his power and they complement each other well.

 

[Frankeh]

Agreed. DoFP is my second favorite X-movie (tied with X2) but I think it would have worked infinitely better if they had kept the status quo from the First Class ending. Have Magneto leading a Brotherhood of Mystique/Emma/Azazel/Angel/Quicksilver + anyone else in the assassination attempt and Xavier/Beast/Havok/Banshee leading an X-Men team to try and stop them.

They could still keep the entire future scenes and Wolverine being the person sent back and I think the movie would still have worked perfectly fine. DoFP is great but the only issue I have with it is that the conflict in the past was just strictly between four people (Prof/Mags/Mystique/Beast) so it came off really small scale, when it could have been huge. Especially with the addition of the Sentinels - imagine that brawl at the White House with the X-Men vs. The Brotherhood vs. Sentinels instead of just Beast and Wolvie taking on one.

Exactly. And if he wanted this movie to be his First Class film, maybe use a minor villain instead of one of the biggest Marvel villains, and make the movie about the team instead of making up a reason for Magneto and Mystique (who went their own way in DOFP) to be involved, somehow. I was blind to the root problems of this story, or maybe too optimistic.

 

[spider-neil]

FC has excellent characters that could have grown and developed, but oh no, Singer wants HIS universe and HIS time line even though we've seen it. I want him removed X-men. Do something new and fresh. And drop the 10 year time joke. Set in the 60's it was topical, in the 70's it was a gimmick and in the 80's it was a joke. How old is Havoc? 40? In 10 years Professor X is supposed to look like Patrick Stewart. An absolute joke. Get out, Singer and takes your boring, played out ideas with you.

 

[spider-neil]

Exactly. And if he wanted this movie to be his First Class film, maybe use a minor villain instead of one of the biggest Marvel villains, and make the movie about the team instead of making up a reason for Magneto and Mystique (who went their own way in DOFP) to be involved, somehow. I was blind to the root problems of this story, or maybe too optimistic.

Zero reason for Magneto and Mystique to be in this movie. Their character arcs should have concluded with DoFP.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Zero reason for Magneto and Mystique to be in this movie. Their character arcs should have concluded with DoFP.

Biggest reason for them to be here, they started the trilogy and so they will be part of the last of the trilogy

 

[marvelrobbins]

well there will be changes when next full X-men film is made.i will be very surprised if Singer isn't gone entirely.and it will defently have a smaller
budget.I feel very likely to have smaller budget.perhapes 160 million
similar to what first class.a wolverine recasting could be on the cards as well.

some are forgetting there are people who like apocalypse.this defently isn't a last stand situation.

I wouldn't change much of DOFP.I wouldn't have had any connections to last stand and Origins.DOFP felt very intimate.i would have kept the cast.

I would have kept it a mystery if events of film actuly changed the future.and
i just would have kept it that stryker was one who found wolverine not mystique.

 

[SuperT]

Zero reason for Magneto and Mystique to be in this movie. Their character arcs should have concluded with DoFP.

Going into Apocalypse, I had no problem with Magneto and Mystique being in this. I mean, they're going up against one of the biggest villains in X-Men history so it made sense. Now that I've seen the movie though, I would have to agree - I wouldn't have had either of them in it if this is what we got from them, but they weren't going to drop Fassbender and Lawrence which is completely understandable. They just needed to write better roles for them.

I think the film would have worked better had they have made Professor X, Magneto, Mystique + one other character the horsemen from the beginning and not by their own choice - kind of like what they did in X-Men: Evolution. That way, it would have been a great opportunity to really shine the light on the younger team and have them work together to save the older generation.

 

[ApophènX]

Zero reason for Magneto and Mystique to be in this movie. Their character arcs should have concluded with DoFP.

This trilogy is about fining balance. They made character grown and develop, nd did it well, with many layers. Now that it is not what pelase or the characters you would have like to see doesn't shattered the fact they packed it up pretty well.

 

[Sithborg]

And damn this release date in China. Apocalypse is holding amazingly steady in the wake of Warcraft. It should pass BvS this Sat.

 

[Superhero 101]

I think another reason why Apocalypse wasn't recieved well was because FC and DOFP had a real life event that added to the story i.e FC had the Cuban Missile Crisis DOFP had the JFK assasination, Vietnam War/Nixon. Apocalypse didn't have anything besides the 80's factor which they didn't use much of besides the fashion if the script could have tied the film to an even from the 80s i think it would have made the movie more interesting.

 

[YoungBlood]

I think another reason why Apocalypse wasn't recieved well was because FC and DOFP had a real life event that added to the story i.e FC had the Cuban Missile Crisis DOFP had the JFK assasination, Vietnam War/Nixon. Apocalypse didn't have anything besides the 80's factor which they didn't use much of besides the fashion if the script could have tied the film to an even from the 80s i think it would have made the movie more interesting.

That's true, for instance they could have got Bruce Campbell to play Reagan or use The Legacy Virus as an allegory for AIDS.

 

[spider-neil]

I think another reason why Apocalypse wasn't recieved well was because FC and DOFP had a real life event that added to the story i.e FC had the Cuban Missile Crisis DOFP had the JFK assasination, Vietnam War/Nixon. Apocalypse didn't have anything besides the 80's factor which they didn't use much of besides the fashion if the script could have tied the film to an even from the 80s i think it would have made the movie more interesting.

Shaw and Trask were compelling villains. The less said about Apocalypse the better.
Say what you will about Last Stand I was never bored. I had checked out of XA completely by the third act.

 

[Mad Ones]

That's true, for instance they could have got Bruce Campbell to play Reagan or use The Legacy Virus as an allegory for AIDS.

wow that would have been a heavy and interesting movie set in the 80s.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I think another reason why Apocalypse wasn't recieved well was because FC and DOFP had a real life event that added to the story i.e FC had the Cuban Missile Crisis DOFP had the JFK assasination, Vietnam War/Nixon. Apocalypse didn't have anything besides the 80's factor which they didn't use much of besides the fashion if the script could have tied the film to an even from the 80s i think it would have made the movie more interesting.

well listening to empire chat i think some were offput by singer adding more comic booky elements into Apocalypse and they didn't feel it jibed with his usual very dramatic style when it comes to X-men.

I loved apocalypse because it it felt like a singer X-men film,it's very much a sequel to first class,and it adds more elements fans of classic comics can enjoy and even touches from both 1990's animated show and X-Men evolution as well.

beyond bragging rights box office is really only important so film series will keep on going.

 

[ApophènX]

Shaw and Trask were compelling villains. The less said about Apocalypse the better.

Apocalypse was resolutly old fashioned. He was a bit of a joke in this brave new world, non the less could he take size. He had that dramturgic side.

People tend to prefer political implication and vilains, they made a vilain that was totally out of this. I think we have more trouble understanding and identify to a preacher who is coming back from his tumb. But it was an original vilain and you can take on many philosophical terms.

Him wanted to go back to center of the world, his ego, his appealing for mass 'destruction and re-creation of kitch stuff, his rules of the fittest rule. I think the movie intended to show us that we are not so different than we were a lifetile ago and that it is ridiculous. All that embody in Apocalypse, the patriarch who choke womanz in the advertising.

 

[fallenAngel]

Maybe I'm alone, but I thought the only interesting mutants in FC either died in FC or were the core of the next two movies. ( I would've been fine with FC being just about Xavier and Magneto honestly)

I liked Banshee, and thought Havok was meh. But otherwise, I had no interest in seeing any of the others again. Sure Emma has a ton more potential, but her characterization was still sort of flat.

Bringing Scott, Storm and Jean back was what I wanted. So I'm fine with how it played out more or less, even if it was sort of a false start twice. I don't care at all about the ages of the characters, so I would've been fine with them just retconning it a bit to have Scott, Jean and Storm in the 60's - if they were hell bent on using the 60's.

The original trilogy could honestly be set at any time. I don't understand why people make such a fuss about the characters ages.

 

[spider-neil]

How does XA feel like a sequel to FC? They pretty much abandoned all the themes set up in that movie. Remember? 'Mutant and proud'. Mystique must have shown her true face twice in the entire movie. So many characters show a total betrayal of their character. All this was bad enough but to be boring as **** as well?! I want Singer gone.