Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 1

[titansupes]

The time travel (like in a lot of movies) is weird. You'd THINK that young Xavier, Beast, Magneto, etc would remember Wolverine. However, old Xavier didn't seem to remember what happened until Wolverine specifically brought it up. So maybe it's a case of the younger versions remember who Logan IS, and that they went on SOME kind of mission with him, but maybe not remembering exactly what the mission was.

What do you mean, exactly? The end in which Original Logan wakes up in the New Future and talks to Professor X? If so, X (and likely Beast/Mags and Raven) all remember the events of DoFP just fine... but they've been living with the Past Logan ever since (who has no idea). When Original Logan wakes up in Past Logan's (now aged) body, he let's Xavier know which version he is and asks what's happened in the decades in-between DoFP and the New Future.

Unless I've completely misinterpreted your post?

 

[psylockolussus]

I think everyone should be a mutant. Seriously, though. Juggernaut, Sinister, Deadpool... I think the X-Men film universe works so well because it's grounded in our reality.

I'm with you. Its either someone is a mutant or not.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

What do you mean, exactly? The end in which Original Logan wakes up in the New Future and talks to Professor X? If so, X (and likely Beast/Mags and Raven) all remember the events of DoFP just fine... but they've been living with the Past Logan ever since (who has no idea). When Original Logan wakes up in Past Logan's (now aged) body, he let's Xavier know which version he is and asks what's happened in the decades in-between DoFP and the New Future.

Unless I've completely misinterpreted your post?

Agreed with you.

When Xavier says "what's the last thing you remember" he understands that the Logan in front of him is the "future" Logan he met back in the seventies. He hadn't been able to talk to Logan about those events as the Logan he was amongst wasn't the same one, so he's interested to talk to this Logan as he was the one who came to him in the past

 

[BobJM]

Yeah I think the fact that Logan doesn't remember Xavier or Beast will definitely be brought up, but I don't know if it'll be a driving factor.

Maybe Beast pulling Professor X aside and asking "why doesn't he remember us," and Professor X gives the audience a little gentle reminder of why Logan's mind is the way it is.

Professor X should be silently carrying out his promise to bring the X-Men together and, obviously, he'll eventually bring Logan in, but I don't want it to be "because time travelling told me to."

Logan should have a new journey for this new direction that the movies are heading into. He'll be aligned with Mystique and Apocalypse before once again proving that that he's a hero and siding with Cyclops, Storm, Beast, and Jean. Professor X will have recognized the potential all along, but it'd be all the more sweeter to see Logan's "new life" to have a parallel to his "old life" (dark path in Weapon X before redemption with the X-Men vs. dark path with Apocalypse before redemption with the X-Men). Also ties nicely with the "time is immutable" idea that these ripples in time still manage to correct themselves, albeit in different ways.

Of course, I'm just assuming he'd begin as a horseman...but it's fun to speculate lol

 

[kasjan]

Okay I forgot where this was mentioned but someone suggested since a young Scott/Cyclops is being introduced they can finally touch on his relationship w/Havoc, but I have this hunch that they'll (Singer/writers) will make Alex Scott's father instead and probably give Alex and off screen death thus leading to why Scott is an orphan or under Xavier's tutelage.

This is possible, as Major Christopher Summers was in army too in comic. Havok as Corsair? Hope not. Havok and Cyclops should stay as brothers.
There won't be Dark Phoenix in this timeline, so there isn't any reason to bring on Shi'ar.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I see havok as his uncle
and cyclops having a brother named after his uncle.
shrugs

lots of interesting discussion in this thread
I'm all for Cyclops.
the summers kids are an interesting topic of discussion.
Cable is a dated character, robo arm mega guns, so early nineties
but his grittiness is what i think we all appreciate.
Never liked the techno organic virus limiting him either.

hi everyone

 

[myra]

I don't see a problem with Havok being Scott's brother. I mean I have an uncle and an aunt who are 17 years apart. Extreme age differences in siblings isn't entirely uncommon. Then again we don't even know if Alex will even appear in Apocalypse so they might not have to address it at all.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't think singer will feel any need to explore the relation between havok and Scott but it will be a lost opportunity if he doesn't really

There was a lot of unanswered questions In DoFP alone

 

[Donut]

Agreed with you.

When Xavier says "what's the last thing you remember" he understands that the Logan in front of him is the "future" Logan he met back in the seventies. He hadn't been able to talk to Logan about those events as the Logan he was amongst wasn't the same one, so he's interested to talk to this Logan as he was the one who came to him in the past

Didnt Kitty say that only Logan would remember the dark Sentinel future if he was successful ? I figured when Logan asks Professor X about the current events. Professor X read Logans mind & saw what Logan did & that he went back in time & saw that original dark future through Logan

 

[ciscostudent561]

Addressing two other points in this thread posted earlier: sinister and apocalypse as a one shot villain.

The approach to this film can very well be one where sinister is the main villain bringing back the resurrection of the English Sabah Nur. .. finally does it near the end of the movie and the Xmen wage it an Armageddon level battle against the awakened mutant supreme being.


Maybe.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Addressing two other points in this thread posted earlier: sinister and apocalypse as a one shot villain.

The approach to this film can very well be one where sinister is the main villain bringing back the resurrection of the English Sabah Nur. .. finally does it near the end of the movie and the Xmen wage it an Armageddon level battle against the awakened mutant supreme being.


Maybe.

probably not

 

[Mr.M]

I think cisco could be right. Directors want to put their stamps on characters and stories, regardless if they are repeating past mistakes from previous CBM's. Apocalypse could be Venomized as he was in SM3. It's always a possibility. We saw Nolan one-off Harvey Dent. No character is immune to anything. Fox may not want to invest in 200 million dollar plus X-Films without Jackman anchoring them. If Singer has a definitive tale that can introduce and conclude these villains in a tightly packed, 2:30 hour, epic cinematic vision, he could definitely one-off either Sinister or Apocalypse or both. Do I think it will happen? No, but I do expect some definitive conclusion here to some key characters, most notably, Magneto, Xavier, and Mystique. I don't see these mutants being key players for the franchise in the immediate future, and I have less confidence that iconic villains besides Magneto are predetermined to get three film arcs. Leaving things open and leaving open ended cliff hangers are two different things entirely.

 

[magneto23]

but I do expect some definitive conclusion here to some key characters, most notably, Magneto, Xavier, and Mystique. I don't see these mutants being key players for the franchise in the immediate future

I don't see them involving Cyclops, Jean, Storm for a one and done. They aren't gonna go through the trouble of recasting and introducing them only to kick them to the curb post Apocalypse. That's why I don't see a "definitive conclusion" for Xavier yet. I don't know how much of a "key player" he'd end up being, as I'm thinking future focus will shift towards the actual team, but he'll definitely be around IMO. As for Magneto/Mystique, I could easily see them being MIA for the immediate future.

 

[Gusto]

Where do you guys think Wolverine will be once Apocalypse opens? I, preferably, would like to have Charles (still) searching for him. It may be a rehash of X1, but this time around - given the circumstances, I believe there's a much better story to tell. An emotional one too. It'd be sad to see them face-to-face again with Logan having no idea of who he is, and Charles wanting to help him. I know they only spent like 4 days together, but I'd love for that to happen.

 

[Smilodon]

I think if Logan became a Horseman, there'd be a big emotional beat for Charles and Hank trying to save him. While some of the newer characters wouldn't know it within the film, the audience and longtime fans of the films and comics would realize the poetic and poignant nature of Xavier and his true first class of X-Men (the ones that we see in X1) attempting to save Logan, an outcast who initially balked at the idea of protecting a world that fears and hates mutants but made the ultimate sacrifice to save every single one of them in a prior timeline. When the time came, Logan was the one who believed in the idea of X-Men the most and this film could be a fantastic way to really, truly bring the X-Men together in a way we've never seen before. We wouldn't need to give Jackman tons of focus, just make him evil and berserker rage at everything (which some people have been dying to see too since X2) and let the more complicated moments remain with the rest of the FC crew.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Yeah, Xavier needs to still be searching for him. There's an emotional story to tell there, after all, Logan saved his life and his future. Can't wait to see how it plays out

 

[Gusto]

^Exactly and like I said, more so this time around than in X1. I'd imagine he'll be a lot more easy on him too.

 

[titansupes]

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[Mr.M]

I don't see them involving Cyclops, Jean, Storm for a one and done. They aren't gonna go through the trouble of recasting and introducing them only to kick them to the curb post Apocalypse. That's why I don't see a "definitive conclusion" for Xavier yet. I don't know how much of a "key player" he'd end up being, as I'm thinking future focus will shift towards the actual team, but he'll definitely be around IMO. As for Magneto/Mystique, I could easily see them being MIA for the immediate future.

I agree, but we don't know if the studio has the confidence that those core characters can anchor another trilogy. Even with Xavier at the helm, what are they going to do that hasn't already been done that will justify another trilogy featuring those characters from a film franchise standpoint? How will it be viable? There are certainly elements there, notably Sinister, Gambit, and a plethora of other X-Men/villains and accompanying stories. We'll see. It depends on how much they want to cover in Apocalypse and how much they leave open for future stories that could potentially feature the X-Men growing together as a team. It will come down to box office, and how good the story is for Apocalypse. When it comes to a villain like Apocalypse, the logical thing would be to scale down a bit after that, not necessarily use him as an origin tool that germinates into even bigger installments immediately after. He is the Thanos of X-Men after all.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Who knows what they will do after new wolverine film.But,the idea Fox Is going to quit making X-Men films I find crazy.Actors leaving has never stoped
franchises before.

X-Force has clearly been put on backburner if not axed.Lauren Shueller Donner this summer talked about Deadpool and Gambit but virtully nothing on X-force.

Deadpool with a laregly rookie director Is still a gamble especilly If Ryan Reynolds signs on or should i say fox allows Donner to use him even with a Pg-13 rating and low budget.Deadpool may have had lot of merchandize In past but we know Marvel won't do it.A low budget as reynolds himself suggested in past Increases possibilty of it's success.

Gambit would have star appeal of Channing Tatum to open but who knows if he would be liked as well as Hugh Jackman Is as wolverine.

The time travel of DOFP was to reboot series somewhat In vain of Star Trek but not quite as radical as Trek 2009.The idea they would quit using familar characters Is crazy.And there Is such a thing as recasting.Marvel did it with Bruce Banner and will likely do it again after Avengers 3 with other characters.It's been done with Batman and james Bond In past.And with bond will be done again aftr Daniel Craig Leaves.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I agree, but we don't know if the studio has the confidence that those core characters can anchor another trilogy. Even with Xavier at the helm, what are they going to do that hasn't already been done that will justify another trilogy featuring those characters from a film franchise standpoint? How will it be viable? There are certainly elements there, notably Sinister, Gambit, and a plethora of other X-Men/villains and accompanying stories. We'll see. It depends on how much they want to cover in Apocalypse and how much they leave open for future stories that could potentially feature the X-Men growing together as a team. It will come down to box office, and how good the story is for Apocalypse. When it comes to a villain like Apocalypse, the logical thing would be to scale down a bit after that, not necessarily use him as an origin tool that germinates into even bigger installments immediately after. He is the Thanos of X-Men after all.

bro they did't scratch the surface with Big 3.
Sinister can hold his own trilogy
Apocalypse is not a one and done character. Axis of Time, Age of Apocalypse, - the disaster movie we're getting.
Shadow King
Prometheus
Bastion

Reaching on the following guys:
Selene (she' always been eh to me)
Omega Red ( eh ok he's a weak character)
We haven't even seen a friends of humanity series ( creed's people i think thats tha name)
Morlocks (don't really like those guys)

Savage land, utopia, asteroid m, genosha
lots of stuff to discover

 

[Mr.M]

Who knows what they will do after new wolverine film.But,the idea Fox Is going to quit making X-Men films I find crazy.Actors leaving has never stoped
franchises before.

X-Force has clearly been put on backburner if not axed.Lauren Shueller Donner this summer talked about Deadpool and Gambit but virtually nothing on X-force.

Deadpool with a laregly rookie director Is still a gamble especilly If Ryan Reynolds signs on or should i say fox allows Donner to use him even with a Pg-13 rating and low budget.Deadpool may have had lot of merchandize In past but we know Marvel won't do it.A low budget as reynolds himself suggested in past Increases possibilty of it's success.

Gambit would have star appeal of Channing Tatum to open but who knows if he would be liked as well as Hugh Jackman Is as wolverine.

The time travel of DOFP was to reboot series somewhat In vain of Star Trek but not quite as radical as Trek 2009.The idea they would quit using familar characters Is crazy.And there Is such a thing as recasting.Marvel did it with Bruce Banner and will likely do it again after Avengers 3 with other characters.It's been done with Batman and james Bond In past.And with bond will be done again after Daniel Craig Leaves.

Guess we keep going in circles on this. We need to gather more tidbits from the producers before we can see a similar outcome we can agree on. Obviously I was one of the proponents who believed Singer was going for a trilogy swipe with DoFP. But we know they were pretty close to keeping a lot of things in tact, given some of the deleted scenes about Stryker being "real" Stryker at the dock and Wolverine inevitably succumbing to his Weapons X fate. But I never saw a swipe of the trilogy meaning continuous X-Men films indefinitely set in the past, from that 80's-2000's range, even with a brand new timeline. I just saw DoFP as a tool to reset the FUTURE timeline and leave stories open for characters and stories that did not receive proper due in the OT (there is always the possibility of the OT returning in a 2018 or 2019 X-Men film for example). I absolutely believe they will recast if that's the only option... some day. What I do not believe is that they have a trilogy planned featuring young Scott/Jean/Storm... within in the next 5-8 years. I think that scenario playing out will require A LOT of effort and A LOT of luck from GA demand to the ambition and desire of the film makers, cast/crew, and producers. That's probably the last time I am going to retread these posts and replies.

 

[Mr.M]

bro they did't scratch the surface with Big 3.
Sinister can hold his own trilogy
Apocalypse is not a one and done character. Axis of Time, Age of Apocalypse, - the disaster movie we're getting.
Shadow King
Prometheus
Bastion

Reaching on the following guys:
Selene (she' always been eh to me)
Omega Red ( eh ok he's a weak character)
We haven't even seen a friends of humanity series ( creed's people i think thats tha name)
Morlocks (don't really like those guys)

Savage land, utopia, asteroid m, genosha
lots of stuff to discover

Yes to all that, but we may see those stories play out over another 15-20 year span. Fox is going to hold onto these rights indefinitely. I have no doubt Fassebender will return as Magneto after Apocalypse. He loves the character. He has done so much research on the character and has absolutely nailed him on screen. I could see him returning when he hits his late 40's and 50's, because actors in Hollywood need that steady franchise to pay the bills. Unless he reaches DDL acting levels, he probably won't stop making comic book films. The only actor I'd question a bit is Jennifer Lawrence, because she seems too versatile to be playing the one dimensional character that Mystique is in her early days. They would need to constantly give her something new to work with to keep her engaged.

Regardless of the FC cast returning, we need to see who they cast first and foremost for Scott/Jean/Ororo. My guess is they are going with unknowns. If whomever lands those roles all of a sudden have their careers take off, Fox will want them back no doubt. There is a reason most of the FC cast was dropped and they went with a 1973 movie instead of a 1963 movie. Yes... they eyed a movie featuring the return of the "Big 3" in the 80's for the third installment, meaning they had to make big leaps in the timeline. But if they cast a bunch of unknowns who don't show a huge amount of potential in Hollywood, those three actors are NOT going to be getting X-Films built around them. JLaw is huge, and they had to build DoFP around her. It's really that simple.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i think everyone at the time DOFP was in production tried to make meaning out of why the alot of the FC characters didn't make it to DOFP and i personally think most of it was wrong

i think if they could have X-FC would just been a movie just about Magneto, Xavier and maybe some side characters but it seems obviously they wanted to sell that one as an X-Men movie (and not like origins) and that mean't they had to have a team but being in the 60s you couldn't use the traditional team so they picked from some other mutants to use including mystique and beast

with FC2 or DOFP it probably became clear to them that the scenes and relationship with magneto and xavier in FC were very well received and probably stood out most about the movie so they probably thought that relationship along with mystique and beast who were in the OT could hold up a movie on its own

and you also have to remember that singer said along time ago in 2011 that it was all leading to a film with the traditional FC (cyclops,jean ect) and that kinda feels less important if you have havok,banshee being X-Men or even being considered as X-Men

 

[GuestStar2004]

its clear just from FC alone that they were looking for cheap actors and not big names to play these roles, and because they got jen lawrence just before she hit it big... they now have one of the biggest actresses in hollywood playing a character presumably on the cheap

it will be interesting to see if they put the new actors on a contract