Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

[psylockolussus]

^ The future sentinels were downright terrifying, from there first appearance to their last. I think a lot of these "ultimate killers/robots" can only do so much, because at the end of the day... the heroes have to survive and beat it. But that wasn't a factor this time around. They could kill whoever they wanted. And the result was a truly menacing, unstoppable, quake in your boots villain. I loved them.

I'm not saying they weren't good enough but I just don't see the Sentinels as a character. They are more like a group, the same thing with the Chitauris.

Though I will agree that they were terrifying and I wasn't disappointed with how they were portrayed. The movie wasn't about the Sentinels, so I don't get the complaints of them of not having much action and that the Sentinels didn't have a voice.

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

I feel like the villians are as big as you make them. FOX needs to go big or go home with these next movies. And take advantage of the FF connections. Lets go exploring in the Savage Land or goto space and fight the Shi'ar or the Skrulls. I'd love to see a X-Men: Deadly Genesis film. The Phalanx or The Brood.. Cassandra Nova could have a triology herself vs Prof. X. Proteous or The Shadow King. Not to mention X-Men vs DOOM!

1000% agree. If they hope to break past the box office numbers they achieved with this( BIL+) and are going global destruction route, than their going to need mutants with visually appealing power displays both for and against apcolaypse. Hence hoping for either SW or polaris to join and expand younger storms role as of right now shes the only (semi-confirmed) mutant with remotely interesting powers. Also they need commanding actors in the trio.... so i expect at least one of them to be established and relatively known. If only blink could could make an appearance lol really enjoyed her in the last....

 

[Pauln6]

Disagree completely with going big or going home. X3 was a prime example how bigger explosions do not equal a better movie. Casino Royale (modern version) was a better movie than some of the Bond movies with superior set pieces because the story and characterisation was good. The explosions should be incidental to those two things every time or you'll lose your audience and HELLO we're back to rebootsville.

The future sentinels didn't really work for me. There was minimal tension because you knew they are undefeatable and that's not interesting. Some standard higher spec sentinels killing off a few established characters along the way followed by Nimrod as the final big, undefeatable villain would have worked better for me. At least one of the future characters should have died permanently as part of their journey part way through the movie.

That said, the Horsemen of the Apocalypse do need to come with some big explosions. I'm hoping for something gothic and sinister (no pun) like Sleepy Hollow or with an Egyptian theme rather than high tech and robotic like the comics.

 

[Legion]

I thought the future Sentinels were handled perfectly. If they were treated like the Chitauris then sure...we could see the X-Men in more heroic scenes, bashing hordes of robots....but would that be more tense? More peril? We would wonder how they got in this situation in the first place...it surely wasn't because of a single Nimrod Sentinel.

That is why the Sentinels had to be so strong. We had to feel that the fight in the future was hopeless, time was running out, and that everything was resting on the success of the mission in the 70s.

And that's why I feel like we probably won't see the sentinels again. DoFP is their biggest and best storyline. Showing them again would cheapen the efforts made in DoFP.

The only way I could see them working again is by making a brief appearance in another time travel story where we briefly see the DoFP future again.

Or if we see Genosha or somewhere outside the US where they've purchased Trask's blueprints and moved forward with their own program.

 

[def28]

Disagree completely with going big or going home. X3 was a prime example how bigger explosions do not equal a better movie. Casino Royale (modern version) was a better movie than some of the Bond movies with superior set pieces because the story and characterisation was good. The explosions should be incidental to those two things every time or you'll lose your audience and HELLO we're back to rebootsville.

The future sentinels didn't really work for me. There was minimal tension because you knew they are undefeatable and that's not interesting. Some standard higher spec sentinels killing off a few established characters along the way followed by Nimrod as the final big, undefeatable villain would have worked better for me. At least one of the future characters should have died permanently as part of their journey part way through the movie.

That said, the Horsemen of the Apocalypse do need to come with some big explosions. I'm hoping for something gothic and sinister (no pun) like Sleepy Hollow or with an Egyptian theme rather than high tech and robotic like the comics.

Completely agree with the bold. Having a variety of different models would have been the better route to go imo.

 

[x-er]

^ I thought they did defeat a few of them.

 

[ciscostudent561]

1000% agree. If they hope to break past the box office numbers they achieved with this( BIL+) and are going global destruction route, than their going to need mutants with visually appealing power displays both for and against apcolaypse. Hence hoping for either SW or polaris to join and expand younger storms role as of right now shes the only (semi-confirmed) mutant with remotely interesting powers. Also they need commanding actors in the trio.... so i expect at least one of them to be established and relatively known. If only blink could could make an appearance lol really enjoyed her in the last....

Cyclops storm and jean have way more then enough interesting power displays. They were just really wafeted down.
Cyclops : omni blast. Nuff said.
Do I really have to elaborate on a full powered storm and jean grey,?
And besides the less characters the better.

 

[Pauln6]

Cyclops storm and jean have way more then enough interesting power displays. They were just really watered down.
Cyclops : omni blast. Nuff said.
Do I really have to elaborate on a full powered storm and jean grey,?
And besides the less characters the better.

I rather liked the down-played powers in X1. The main criticism I would have is that Jean's telekinesis should be way more useful than as shown. Jean didn't become more interesting just because she became more powerful. In fact the use of her powers once she became stronger lacked just as much imagination.

Plus remember how Storm's control of her powers was less precise and more realistic in X1. Still interesting but a younger version of Storm should have even less control unless, you know, wibbly wobbly timey wimey.

IMO the characters should be shown working smarter not harder.

 

[The Guard]

Exactly how does having undefeatable enemies create "less tension"?

Shouldn't it create more, since the stakes are raised?

Also, why does "tension" have to rely on knowing whether or not characters are actually going to survive or not? Why can't their peril within a story and their struggle to overcome an impossible odd be sufficient?

 

[JP]

It was sufficient enough in First Class... But I guess that was just me.

 

[SuperT]

People only think that the death option has to be there in order for there to be tension or stakes which is totally not the case. I think character deaths are really just the easy way out and honestly so few movies get it right anyway.

 

[xrs13]

I really only ever want to see a character die when they have played out their entire arc and their death can propel someone else. If Mystique died in Apoc her death would be a propellant for both Xavier and Magneto. In x3 Xaviers death did nthing for anybody and so it was wasted beyond all comprehension. DOFP was great because you got to see and feel the emotion of all the characters dying but we know they arent dead.

In fact my only quibble about Dofp is that I do think it would have been good to have a flashback montage showing beast dragged out his house, and things like that, showing how they are where they are.

 

[Mr.M]

I say get rid of her if there is an opportunity to do it and it serves the purpose of the story. At this point, I wouldn't bank on Lawrence coming back to this. You can always recast the character. They obviously won't kill off Xavier or Magneto unless they are really done with X-Men films in this current timeline, which has just gotten started. Again, get rid of her, but let it drive the story forward and serve toward furthering the story, as opposed to looking for an easy way out.

 

[Pauln6]

Exactly how does having undefeatable enemies create "less tension"?

Shouldn't it create more, since the stakes are raised?

Also, why does "tension" have to rely on knowing whether or not characters are actually going to survive or not? Why can't their peril within a story and their struggle to overcome an impossible odd be sufficient?

I wasn't suggesting that would always be the case. However, in the case of DoFP the tension was whether they would succeed in changing the past before their inevitable deaths. They were walking a fine line not to have the future scenes overpower the 70s scenes. My personal opinion is that there would have been more tension if the early sentinels had been dangerous but defeatable, with the threat of Nimrod closing in and a few character deaths along the way. It's possibly that the rescue scene will cover this for me.

I really only ever want to see a character die when they have played out their entire arc and their death can propel someone else.

You must really hate Joss Whedon's writing. The best deaths are the worst deaths, often precisely because the character still has so much potential in their story arc.

 

[xrs13]

You must really hate Joss Whedon's writing. The best deaths are the worst deaths, often precisely because the character still has so much potential in their story arc.

Comics, it is fine because you know the character will be back. Films is different to me, the character is dead and done (unless dofp happens).

 

[GoldGoblin]

Will Wolverine's son be in this?

 

[marvelrobbins]

We should all wish Hugh Jackman good health since he's being treated for skin cancer again.

 

[Pauln6]

Comics, it is fine because you know the character will be back. Films is different to me, the character is dead and done (unless dofp happens).

Oh I dunno, I rather like the bloodbath in Serenity.

 

[xrs13]

Okay so with the DCU and MCU news thats just hit, part of me realllly wants Fox to go kapow and throw us a bone with a list of films.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Really the only thing we are wiating on Is what the july 13 2018 film will be.

Fox may be waiting to see how FF does first.They may plans to do X-Men/FF In 2018 If FF turns out to be success.

If it doesn't I bet they may wolverine from march to july to take FF2 spot.

If FF reboot fails we may be looking at Gambit for July 2018 with the next full X-Men team film for July 2019

 

[def28]

If Deadpools a hit I imagine X-Force will follow shortly.

Glad they are getting Deapdool out before the madness hits. Things are very crowded now.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Okay so with the DCU and MCU news thats just hit, part of me realllly wants Fox to go kapow and throw us a bone with a list of films.

I'd love an X-Force and Starjammers announcements but part of me doesn't.

Fox are the only ones taking things slow and not throwing the kitchen sink and I like that

 

[xrs13]

I am more concerned about where on Earth these films are going to fit into the calendar. As of now, the term "summer blockbuster" may be about to go flying out of the window. There are CBMs from beginning to end of the year.

 

[myra]

Okay so with the DCU and MCU news thats just hit, part of me realllly wants Fox to go kapow and throw us a bone with a list of films.

I hope not. There's way too much drama and people needlessly freaking out over minute details about DC/Marvel announcements, it's exhausting how worked up people get. I like the fact that all I need to be concerned about is Apocalypse - Wolverine 2 - Deadpool at the moment and that Fox is thinking more about the next 2 or 3 years as opposed to the next 10.

 

[def28]

I am more concerned about where on Earth these films are going to fit into the calendar. As of now, the term "summer blockbuster" may be about to go flying out of the window. There are CBMs from beginning to end of the year.

Very true. Fox needs to grab some more dates.