Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

[danoyse]

Based on what? Their extensive roles of being dead in the original storyline?

Exactly. Which DOFP did Hammer read??

 

[def28]

Yeah. Kitty, Logan and Mystique were the most required going from the books. With the school closed in the films and being a major part of the narrative there was no way the team in the past of Logan, Kitty, Colossus, Storm, Angel and Nightcrawler were gonna happen from the books. Aside from the age continuity issues and Prof X narrative, there was just no team there. The film allowed Prof X to open shop again.

The mission itself and whole concept is extremely similar.

 

[Cherry]

She's already contracted to do Apocalypse - McAvoy, Hoult, Lawrence and Fassbender all signed three picture movie deals when they did First Class. So renegotiations would be for additional movies after Apocalypse is done.

You're extrapolating. While that very well could be what happened, when actors get big, they often try to renegotiate for more money under existing contracts. Sometimes studios agree, to an extent, to keep their stars happy. It's happened many times before. A lot of times the original contracts come with penalties for exiting -- Maybe at the time, she couldn't afford that penalty, but in her position now… I bet she could. Again, I'm not saying one way or the other, and you may very well be right, but there is no way to know for sure at this point.

EDIT: The article also says SHE was attempting to renegotiate. Had Fox come to her, then yes, we can assume it was for more films. But that's not what happened, at least based on the article. Who's to say she doesn't just want more money?

She also could have wanted to renegotiate in the sense of "I will take a small pay cut so that I can be free during these months of filming to do my artistic independent film."

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't understand why people i worried for Jean Grey . I can understand for Cyclop but say Fox and Singer didn't care for Jean is extreme. It is like X3 was so mediocre people forgot all good with Jean in X1/X2. After Wolverine, Famke Janssen was the female lead like Jennifer Lawrence today. I remember when X2 was in theatre, the buzz was for Jean and her sacrifice ( she saved the team lol ).

In my opinion, Fox treated Jean like as if she was the original golden girl of the series. I mean, just watching her scenes in The Wolverine/Days of Future Past, they executed her scenes like as if she was a big deal and she was.

At the end of DoFP we get Wolverine waking up in the X-mansion and seeing all the actual X-Men are there, in their classic looks, for the first and last time. How f'n awesome would it be if that was the cast that took on Apocalypse in the next film? But no, we're going back to the past again.

I agree with you two, but oh well.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

I think most of us want one final hurrah for the OT cast... I can still see it happening if Apocalypse does big numbers

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think most of us want one final hurrah for the OT cast... I can still see it happening if Apocalypse does big numbers

Lets hope, and whats to after this movie is done the OT cast cant tackle Apocalypse in their movie? The guy is the most powerful mutant out there, I cant see them being able to kill permanently in the next movie.

 

[Mars123]

I wonder what sort of role the younger version will have in the new film?? Especialliy with fassbenders madneto and jlaws mystique being at the centre of the film??

I wonder if they will have Beast getting more involved with politics?

Will Moira Mctaggart return??

 

[Loki882]

Yeah Singer sure doesn't care about Scott/Jean. That's why he used this whole time travel plot as an excuse to bring them back to life, and is introducing younger versions of them in this movie.

 

[Obsidian Idea]

Speaking of the OT cast...I would love to see the movie open up in the present with the OT cast taking out the last remnants of Apocalypse's forces, which leads into how the X-men came to meet big A in the past...

An action scene of the present-day team fighting side-by-side for one last time would be a perfect send off of sorts for the OT cast. It could also set up for future movie series after FC trilogy is done.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Bryan Singer and Co don't see restrictions they see story opportunities

i am pretty sure apocalypse will be defeated at the end, if they wanted the OT to fight him then they would have saved this story and maybe just used this one to set it up, maybe with Mr sinister, rather then do it with this one set 30 years earlier

it will likely be a new villain after this

 

[GuestStar2004]

In my opinion, Fox treated Jean like as if she was the original golden girl of the series. I mean, just watching her scenes in The Wolverine/Days of Future Past, they executed her scenes like as if she was a big deal and she was.

she was a big deal because wolverine is a big deal and every hero needs a love interest

its why jean feels more like wolverines GF then Cyclops

 

[psylockolussus]

Speaking of the OT cast...I would love to see the movie open up in the present with the OT cast taking out the last remnants of Apocalypse's forces, which leads into how the X-men came to meet big A in the past...

An action scene of the present-day team fighting side-by-side for one last time would be a perfect send off of sorts for the OT cast. It could also set up for future movie series after FC trilogy is done.

I just think the ot cast got such a good reaction from the audience and they were really present in the marketing,, it would be a big miss opportunity if they dont bring them back Look at Fast and Furious, they are still making more films with their original cast and at the same time, they are bringing new faces to the series everytime theres a new film. Why cant Fox do the same thing.

 

[Snikt]

Just me, but I don't see Apocalypse being a one and done villain. I can easily see him being defeated during this film; then perhaps coming back a featured as the main villain again in a film taking place after the future events of DOFP.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i think if you had asked fans last year many would have said the same about the sentinels but the way DOFP was structured there really is no going back for them at least without beating around the bush so explain why its suddenly ok now

and thing is it would be watering this movie down to defeat apocalypse lightly, they really would have to show just how tough he will be and what it will take to stop him so i doubt Singer and Co are thinking of it in terms of well he will be kinda tough in this movie but then we will bring him back in the future and he will be MEGA TOUGH

 

[magneto23]

Just me, but I don't see Apocalypse being a one and done villain. I can easily see him being defeated during this film; then perhaps coming back a featured as the main villain again in a film taking place after the future events of DOFP.

Don't see them doing Apocalypse again anytime soon. They'll save him for later(if at all), and by that time the OT cast will be aged out. Doesn't make much sense IMO to burn this villain out so quickly as some seem to want.

 

[HAMMER]

she was a big deal because wolverine is a big deal and every hero needs a love interest

its why jean feels more like wolverines GF then Cyclops

Exactly, she was never put in a starring role like Mystique is now, she was there for Wolverine to react to.

And yes, I realize that Cycke and Jean aren't in DOFP, but Storm, Colossus, etc. is what I was referring to in a specific DOFP sense. I even have said they could've kept the same team from the end of First Class, which would've been the presumed path.

Best case scenario is the film after Apocalypse has Cyclops and company taking center roles, assuming Lawrence hasn't signed up for more films.

 

[henzINNIT]

I think most of us want one final hurrah for the OT cast... I can still see it happening if Apocalypse does big numbers

I certainly want another chapter for the original group. I'd love a proper 3rd X-Men film from Singer, hell with this continuity fix we could get something similar to his original plans post X2. The actors are aging out, but a final film would be a great send off.

 

[GoldGoblin]

They should make Juugernaut has an Infinity Stone that gives him his power to connect this franchise with Avengers.

 

[Iceman]

I'd love to see Thanos beat the **** out of Juggernaut.

 

[Mr.M]

I agree with Guest. Directors like to put stamps on villains. They don't go into an Apocalypse flick thinking they are going to direct 2 more, unless it's already confirmed and filmed back to back. This will be it for a Apocalypse for a while.

I do think Jean will get a sizable role, and we will see glimpses of the Phoenix, more so than the X2 tease. She may be key to defeating him, putting her front and center.

Look for a Sinister tease before an Apocalypse, "I'll be back" tease at the end.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Look for a Sinister tease before an Apocalypse, "I'll be back" tease at the end.

Is this while he's escaping in a choppa

 

[GuestStar2004]

i can see them very lightly touching on the phoenix in apocalypse with maybe at the end her going full phoenix, singer probably won't totally ignore the ideas from X3 like charles blocking her abilities, although maybe Singer will do a mix visually between his X2 vision and X3 vision and maybe sneak in a fan pleasing firebird

i suspect he will wanna make sense of the DOFP future ending, if he doesn't it will be abit confusing

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

So it looks like we can rule out one OT cast member from this film. Anna Paquin just said on twitter she "doesn't think" shes in this one. Which pretty much means they haven't approached her. I know everyone already knew this, it's bitter/sweet on my end. It's good that we can start narrowing down, returning actors..... but dissapointing not to see Rogue, nor some kind of friend/relationship with Gambit. Thoughts??.....

 

[terry78]

I know they were going for realism with her, but I hate that she never used her powers offensively in this film series.

 

[Super Jim]

I think some of you need to come to the realization that some things are over.

Look, first, this one movie will be about APocalypse. As far as to the extent that the young versions of Storm, Cyclops and Jean (and hopefully Nightcrawler) are involved, that's up for grabs. Let's hope they put the focus on this new team and not on finishing their "trilogy"...

Anyway, they just did a time travel movie, so this one will not be that. There won't be any time travel. We shouldn't expect to see Bishop or Cable timewarp in, nor (and this one is gonna hurt people) should we expect that we're gonna see the OT cast.

This movie is set in 1983. We know this. There is no reason to expect there will be any other time settings for this movie. Is it possible that we could see a future post credits scene where Apocalypse reawakens, maybe, but not likely. It is more possible that we will see Apocalypse being placed into a regeneration sarcouphagus at the end though.

Anyway, no multiple timeline stuff, means no need for the OT cast.

This will be all about McAvoy's Xavier, and Fassbender's Magneto, and JLaw's Mystique and Hoult's Beast. And hopefully the new casts take on Cyclops, Storm and Jean (and hopefully Kurt).

Now, once this one is complete, even if Apocalypse as a villain is left as a possibility, it's more than likely that that would not be for another decade. They're not going to have Apocalypse again in 3 years (unless this was a 2 part movie, which then AOA would have made sense). And they're not likely to do Apocalypse again the movie after the next one. That means, at best, we could see Apocalypse back in 9 years or so.

But really, if you think about it, they seem to like this trilogy concept. We got our OT trilogy. And this one will "close out" the First Class trilogy (IMO), which means the stories of Mystique and Charle's relationship, Erik's and Charle's relationship, Mystique and Hank's relationship (which there shouldn't be one), etc. Unfortunately, this makes me think that they are going to put most of the focus on these characters, and young Storm, young Jean and young Cyclops are going to be very minimised.

But the point is that the next "trilogy" is likely to be all about this new cast, with some of the First Class cast continuing in their roles. That means, again sorry to say, that the OT cast is not likely.

Also, with the age of some of the main OT X-Men actors/actresses, the liklihood that we'll see them in a movie that films in 6 or 9 years, if not in 12 years, is about 0%.

Hey, the OT cast had a good(-ish) run. And maybe we'll see an Excalibur movie with Kitty, Colossus, Kurt, etc. Or maybe we'll see some of them in the FF#2 movie when Fox realizes they screwed up the FF characters/story and need something to draw the audience in. Maybe we'll see Rogue, Kitty, Bobby and Colossus in a cross-over story with the FF in 3-4 years, but the OT cast? Not likely!