Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 41

[spideyboy_1111]

I am no fan of what X_Men in MCU universe would be turned into.secondary characters to avengers with little darkness,serinousness,and allegory.

there's no basis of any of that... infact.. Guardians of the Galaxy says hi...

seriously... wake up bud.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

whenever marvel gets character it is rebooted.

Deadpool would be a unique situation in that Marvel likely wouldn't "have" deadpool and his current film is basically in its own unvierse anyway.

 

[marvelrobbins]

So far this happened to Daredevil and Spidey
both of which sucked in their most recent iteration before Marvel got them back
of course they rebooted

if somehow, magically, they work out a deal with Fox, it will probably only be for DP, and his 4th wall powers make it considerably easier to integrate him without the need for a reboot. If it's for FF, then yes, they reboot cuz the last one sucked. And I'd bet good money that the X-Men are off the table, for now at least.


I'm sorry... I'm sure this was probably said already, but ain't nobody got time to read all these walls of text

hulk too.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Would fox even want to share the deadpool money with marvel?

nope. they don't need marvel for DP's success.. there's no way he'd be a part of the deal and truthfully.. disney/marvel wouldn't really want or need him either.

 

[marvelrobbins]

How many times do people have to tell you Fox gave up nothing to get Legion? Legion is a co-production. Loeb already said that it's not part of the MCU. Kinberg seems like he's trying to make it part of the X-world. They're just making it together, probably because money trumps any sort of rights issue in the real world.

You're jumping the gun far too many times with these things.

Kinberg also tries to claim another ff film with cast is a possibilty.noone seriously believe that.

press release when legion was picked up has quotes from lieb bit nothing from any of fox people.

 

[Endeavor]

whenever marvel gets character it is rebooted.

There's only been one case in which a shared rights has taken place, just one, Spider-Man. The other reversions you're talking about have been where Marvel gets full ownership back of their characters. Of course they can't use what other companies did with those characters. Not only because they're not working with those companies, but probably because it would probably open them up to litigation.
The reason that Spidey was recast was mainly because what came before was garbage that wasn't working. Don't you think Sony would've rebooted again even if they hadn't made the Marvel deal?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Kinberg also tries to claim another ff film with cast is a possibilty.noone seriously believe that.

press release when legion was picked up has quotes from lieb bit nothing from any of fox people.

and why do you assume Marvel has any control of that?????? your logic doesn't make any sense

 

[Endeavor]

I am no fan of what X_Men in MCU universe would be turned into.secondary characters to avengers with little darkness,serinousness,and allegory.

You have no basis at all to think this.
You are being as blind and stubborn as you claim the MCU fans to be.

 

[marvelrobbins]

there's no basis of any of that... infact.. Guardians of the Galaxy says hi...

seriously... wake up bud.

GOTG is totally different than X-Men.

GOTG is closer to Star Wars than X-Men.since i never read GOTG when i eventully saw it thanks to other X-Men film fans i respect liking it ic ould enjoy it unlike paramount turning star trek into star Wars lite.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

There's only been one case in which a shared rights has taken place, just one, Spider-Man. The other reversions you're talking about have been where Marvel gets full ownership back of their characters. Of course they can't use what other companies did with those characters. Not only because they're not working with those companies, but probably because it would probably open them up to litigation.
The reason that Spidey was recast was mainly because what came before was garbage that wasn't working. Don't you think Sony would've rebooted again even if they hadn't made the Marvel deal?

this is all correct...


though, sony would have just continued and made an amazing spider-man 3... and not rebooted. But that's beside the point.

Marvel wanted a younger spider-man.. and wanted to disassociate itself with a lackluster franchise... if the franchise was successful and well received Sony wouldn't of even made the deal.

Deadpool is a successful franchise 1 movie in.. with an actor who got the film into production in the first place. it was well received he was well received.. and there's no reason FOX would hand over that property, and no reason Marvel/Disney would want or need it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

GOTG is totally different than X-Men.

GOTG is closer to Star Wars than X-Men.since i never read GOTG when i eventully saw it thanks to other X-Men film fans i respect liking it ic ould enjoy it unlike paramount turning star trek into star Wars lite.

and the X-men are completely different than the avengers....

the FOX x-men and world destruction events... no not all that different.. but the Comic X-men are vastly different than the Avengers...

as different as gotg are to the avengers

 

[Endeavor]

hulk too.

The Hulk scenario is nothing like Spider-Man's.
Universal isn't co-producing. They put no money down for anything if a Hulk solo film is done. Marvel would have to do all the work and take all the production expense only for Universal to then distribute the end product.

Again, the only similar scenario to what is being rumored would be Spider-Man.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I could see F4 joining the MCU with fox involvement way before I could see it happening with X-men personally.

This whole debate is probably pointless in the long run.

 

[marvelrobbins]

You have no basis at all to think this.
You are being as blind and stubborn as you claim the MCU fans to be.

I have MCU present films to compare.

I don't spend my time hoping for failure of MCU films like some do with X-Men.

unlike those who bashed Apocalypse for not giving storm,psylock,and jubilee
the focus i gave postive post on civil war despite me not liking how spider-man was done at all.

I can say there are good MCU films-cap trilogy,first iron man film.GOP and
say fox has released bad or disappointing marvel films-FF films,elektra,
Last Stand origins.some won't do the same.it's always fox always suck and disney/marvel always great.

And if fox after wolverine film would turn X-Men into Deadpool,X-force,new mutants franchise i will be very critical.

 

[YoungBlood]

I could see F4 joining the MCU with fox involvement way before I could see it happening with X-men personally.

this whole debate is probably pointless in the long run.

That's what happens when you read "rumors" from third rate sources and everyone on this board being very over dramatic after the release of Apocalypse,

Oh who am I kidding, everyone was being over dramatic before the film's release.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

this is all correct...


though, sony would have just continued and made an amazing spider-man 3... and not rebooted. But that's beside the point.

Actually, Sony was considering doing a soft reboot with the Sinister Six movie. Garfield really ticked off the top Sony brass by cancelling last minute an appearance at a big corporate dinner.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Actually, Sony was considering doing a soft reboot with the Sinister Six movie. Garfield really ticked off the top Sony brass by cancelling last minute an appearance at a big corporate dinner.

we arn't sure which way that would have went for sure though.. its all hearsay

 

[GuestStar2004]

That's what happens when you read "rumors" from third rate sources and everyone on this board being very over dramatic after the release of Apocalypse,

Oh who am I kidding, everyone was being over dramatic before the film's release.

True that!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That's what happens when you read "rumors" from third rate sources and everyone on this board being very over dramatic after the release of Apocalypse,

Oh who am I kidding, everyone was being over dramatic before the film's release.

actually alot of sites that most certainly not "third rate" are reporting on the rumor

 

[marvelrobbins]

I could see F4 joining the MCU with fox involvement way before I could see it happening with X-men personally.

this whole debate is probably pointless in the long run.

Inless fox makes deal with disney they aren't getting FF till 2022.Kinberg can
talk about it all he wants but i doudt fox does another FF film especilly with the exsisting cast.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The Hulk scenario is nothing like Spider-Man's.
Universal isn't co-producing. They put no money down for anything if a Hulk solo film is done. Marvel would have to do all the work and take all the production expense only for Universal to then distribute the end product.

Again, the only similar scenario to what is being rumored would be Spider-Man.

The hulk was still rebooted.and reason why disney won't do solo hulk film is because universal has distribution rights for solo hulk films under deal marvel made with them when they were independent studio.that is reason why they are sneaking planet hulk into thor 3.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The hulk was still rebooted.and reason why disney won't do solo hulk film is because universal has distribution rights for solo hulk films under deal marvel made with them when they were independent studio.that is reason why they are sneaking planet hulk into thor 3.

and the hulk was rebooted because the last film was terrible...

it was even technically a "soft reboot" in the sense it might of switched actors.. but started where the last film ended.. and had a presumed established origin

 

[Endeavor]

I could see F4 joining the MCU with fox involvement way before I could see it happening with X-men personally.

This whole debate is probably pointless in the long run.

Truth.

I don't believe X-Men are going anywhere any time soon.

But I do have an issue with the mentality that only FOX can do X-Men movies "right" and that if someone else does them they'd be no good.

Guess what? FOX didn't create X-Men. They had no hand in establishing the cultural themes embedded into the mythos and as a matter of fact in the past they've shown not to care much about many save a very few of that universe's characters. Who's to say they won't continue to do that? Look how much respect they showed Angel in their last movie...
So don't come tell me they're the one and only authority on X-Men.

 

[Endeavor]

The hulk was still rebooted.and reason why disney won't do solo hulk film is because universal has distribution rights for solo hulk films under deal marvel made with them when they were independent studio.that is reason why they are sneaking planet hulk into thor 3.

But that has nothing to do with the type of deal that is being rumored between FOX and Disney. It wouldn't be the same scenario.

 

[marvelrobbins]

and the hulk was rebooted because the last film was terrible...

it was even technically a "soft reboot" in the sense it might of switched actors.. but started where the last film ended.. and had a presumed established origin

the origin they presented at begining of the incredable hulk was different than Hulk.trimming down origin to brief thin under opening credits and cutting out character stuff is why edwar dnorton had his falling out with marvel.