Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 41

[GuestStar2004]

Not necessarily. New Mutants and X-Force will likely have lower budgets than an X-Men tentpole and focus on team relationships and street level combat, respectively. They won't have to crack half a billion to make a profit.

In all fairness you could do exactly the same with X-Men, make it a smaller team focused movie with street level combat... but new mutants certainly isn't guaranteed at all to do well, new mutants is just as much a risk which fox either take or they sit on their deadpool milking machine for aslong as it continues to give milk.

as for X-FORCE it very much comes down to how many films ryan will do, deadpool 3, then x-force 2, then deadpool 4 ect ect because without him there is no garantee X-FORCE would make the same amount either

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If fox does what you and others want and fox basicly turns everything X-Men to disney with fox just distributing it that is totaly what happens.Kinberg and donner will be given executive producer credits and then everything is rebooted.

no one wants that? do you actually read any of the posts? Id want F4 fully back, the X-men (team films) in a spidey type situation.. and like Sony is doing with Venom... have Wolverine and Deadpool solo films stand alone and R rated

thats what i think "most" if not all of us actually want if this deal were to happen

 

[spideyboy_1111]

again what is the appeal to X-Men fans about scrapping X-men after wolverine film with exception of Xavier In new mutants.

Downey Is going to have major role In Spider-man:Homeocming.they wouldn't announce him so early if he wasn't.which alone is the probelm
but it will work will for stark fans.i am not one of them.

You do realize this is X-Men section and some actully like X-Men?

actually just because downey was announced early on doesn't actually mean his role will be large. it was announced early to drum up more excitement for the film.. which is why Stark is in it in the first place. its all about hype.

hell seriously.. look at how many mutants were marketed heavily in this film and apparently got very little screen time when all was said and done.

 

[BoredGuy]

 

[ImSGirl95]

that is fine for fans of MCU,and deadpool this way.but,fans of actual X-Men and films not so much.

Dude, come on. Nobody cares for "Fans of X-Men films". Even the studio doesn't.

 

[marvelrobbins]

deadpool getting made or not has nothing to do with the current scenario... you're just speaking on the behalf of your biased paranoia...

Marvel isn't stupid... they appreciate deadpool. deadpool was successful. they've never tried to fix anything that wasn't broken. This would be a brand new situation. youd have to be a complete moron to reboot a film that just broke the records and garnished the praise deadpool did... Disney wont want any control over deadpool... they wont want kids running around their parks with swords and guns... and they wont make a watered down deadpool...they already have a family friendly deadpool... his names Spider-Man.

and again.. SONY outright is still planning a venom solo film set apart from the MCU.. why would you think any deal with disney = "THEY GET EVERYTHING AND CONTROL EVERYTHING" as of right now that's not even remotely true with Sony... the venom solo and possible silver sable solo as well as the animated spider-man film are not controlled by marvel and they are not part of the MCU.... they are full Sony properties.. why would deadpool be any different?????


at worst you'd get solo R rated non MCU team up films for DP and Wolverine... basically just like the comics... where a Wolverine solo comic is gritty, dark, violent and more adult...an R rated film.. and then if they wanted him with the Avengers or Spidey we'd get a PG-13 version like previous X-films...

as for wolverine recasting.. that's happening regardless of a deal going through or not.. but i'd bet my life on it that if a deal were to happen.. Deadpool is completely safe and Reynolds wouldn't be recast

marvel controls live action spider-man that's clear.why do you think sony wants to do animated Spider-man film and talking about venom and
silver sable films.they are desperate for hits.

Fox if they make deal would be turning over everything to marvel of X-Men.FF too.we are already getting preview because everything on legion is sounding like marvel and not fox is really producing it.marvel sends out press release.everything loeb said on it makes it sound like it's marvel show for FX outside of MCU.

There is no precedence for keeping any actors from other studios on.and why would marvel.disney want to have r rated film like deadpool associated with their pg-13 universe.and since studios all want shared universes now except for sony which is desperate for hits and even them are planning Men in black/21 jumpstreet film I don't think they will have deadpool totaly seperate
from X-Men/Spider-man/MCU

 

[ImSGirl95]

Marvel will keep Ryan most likely.

 

[GuestStar2004]

marvel controls live action spider-man that's clear.why do you think sony wants to do animated Spider-man film and talking about venom and
silver sable films.they are desperate for hits.

Well technically sony are letting marvel control spider-man but they still have the final say which going by what they are doing with ghostbusters at the moment they are just desperate to milk any franchise right now

 

[spideyboy_1111]

marvel controls live action spider-man that's clear.why do you think sony wants to do animated Spider-man film and talking about venom and
silver sable films.they are desperate for hits.

Fox if they make deal would be turning over everything to marvel of X-Men.FF too.we are already getting preview because everything on legion is sounding like marvel and not fox is really producing it.marvel sends out press release.everything loeb said on it makes it sound like it's marvel show for FX outside of MCU.

There is no precedence for keeping any actors from other studios on.and why would marvel.disney want to have r rated film like deadpool associated with their pg-13 universe.and since studios all want shared universes now except for sony which is desperate for hits and even them are planning Men in black/21 jumpstreet film I don't think they will have deadpool totaly seperate
from X-Men/Spider-man/MCU

and i'd want Marvel controlling the X-men team films... just like spidey.

and you do not know if Fox would be turning "everything over" infact.. the way fox usually handles stuff you'd know their history by now and clearly see fox never just "hands over" anything... they want some major kick backs.. properties back or grasp onto something until its 6 feet under.... It's exactly why marvel doesn't have the F4 back yet... Fox would rather kill the franchise than have it at marvel.

you are incredibly assumptive for what would be a unique situation... and its pretty clear you don't understand how any of these deals are made.. nor actually pay attention to the ones that have already been dealt with... ive given you plenty of examples on how thats not so and they clearly go over your head.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well technically sony are letting marvel control spider-man but they still have the final say which going by what they are doing with ghostbusters right now they are just desperate to milk any franchise right now

this is accurate ^^^

 

[marvelrobbins]

Well technically sony are letting marvel control spider-man but they still have the final say which going by what they are doing with ghostbusters right now they are just desperate to milk any franchise right now

I don't quite buy that.Why is avi arad reportly still producing animated spider-man but banished to meaningless executive producer title on SPider-man:Homecoming.Giving marvel creative control for live action spider-man
is giving up control of live action spider-man.the animated film and threatened venom and silver sable films are proballyd esperate for hits sony using loopholes to get films made that could make money if they are lucky.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't quite buy that.Why is avi arad reportly still producing animated spider-man but banished to meaningless executive producer title on SPider-man:Homecoming.Giving marvel creative control for live action spider-man
is giving up control of live action spider-man.the animated film and threatened venom and silver sable films are proballyd esperate for hits sony using loopholes to get films made that could make money if they are lucky.

oh so all the actual reports from everyone from the studio you don't buy.. but you some how buy the fact that disney magically controls everything.. and if you seem to easily buy that anyone who is a marvel fan is a "marve fanboy who hates all other studios" ... yet.. you have no bias what so ever... right...

you're letting your "marvel/disney/fanboy hate" cloud your judgement to the point you're not even listening to logic.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Fox have a much richer universe to take into consideration when what Sony did, while marvel can play with Spider-Man all they want when it comes down to it they would have more to hand pick in the X-Men universe unless they just stick to a brand new wolverine as the main X-men connection so yeah it makes sense why fox would be less likely to join forces with marvel, they are not struggling money wise and they have more to play with then what Sony ever did.

It also puts into question how the profit sharing situation would work with their X-men universe list of characters

 

[marvelrobbins]

and i'd want Marvel controlling the X-men team films... just like spidey.

and you do not know if Fox would be turning "everything over" infact.. the way fox usually handles stuff you'd know their history by now and clearly see fox never just "hands over" anything... they want some major kick backs.. properties back or grasp onto something until its 6 feet under.... It's exactly why marvel doesn't have the F4 back yet... Fox would rather kill the franchise than have it at marvel.

you are incredibly assumptive for what would be a unique situation... and its pretty clear you don't understand how any of these deals are made.. nor actually pay attention to the ones that have already been dealt with... ive given you plenty of examples on how thats not so and they clearly go over your head.

fox to get X related tv show also apparently gave up control of Legion to marvel.

you do realize what people say publicly isn't always the truth.everything rothman lately claims about spider-man is likely PR to make sony seem in
charge.

If fox strikes a deal with disney then X-Men and FF will be in same situation.fox will seek quick bucks on X-Men.they aren't desperate like sony is.

disney wants to focus more on the comic part of comic books.Darkness and
seriouness will suffer if a deal happens.which i guess could happen after wolverine film and deadpool sequel.though it would mean cable in deapdool sequel would be for nothing.

 

[Endeavor]

people are fooling themselves.deadpool would total be rebooted.

you're basing this on what?

 

[Spiderine]

I don't even see Sony and Fox being similar situations. Sony doesn't have the capacity to expand or make spinoff films from Spidey. It will undoubtedly fail. People were always clamoring for Deadpool. Do I hear chants for Venom films?

Fox has options and they have another prize in Deadpool. Venom, Sinister Six, Black Cat, Silver Sable......give me a break. Unless Marvel is heavily involved and incorporating it somehow in the big picture we don't need anymore garbage polluting the big screen.

 

[Endeavor]

well at least if fox/marvel deal happens i won't have to spend money on
tickets and DVDs,and i won't have to spend time on internet on X-Men.

really?
so I guess you're not a fan of the characters then. just the studio, director, producers and the occasional F-bomb

 

[marvelrobbins]

oh so all the actual reports from everyone from the studio you don't buy.. but you some how buy the fact that disney magically controls everything.. and if you seem to easily buy that anyone who is a marvel fan is a "marve fanboy who hates all other studios" ... yet.. you have no bias what so ever... right...

you're letting your "marvel/disney/fanboy hate" cloud your judgement to the point you're not even listening to logic.

considering now we have those who dislikes all X-Men films the hater arguement isn't crazy.If feige has creative control over Spider-man:Homecoming then disney does control live action spider-man.Feige most of the time has tlaked like marvel controls spider-man.giving the head of divison of rival studio control over film is giving up control.

and fox without a deal turning X-Men into Deadpool,X-force,and new nutants franchise doesn't exactly excite me eather.

I heavily critized fox for letting Lawrence's star power from hungar games
influence X-Men films.other sonline won't critze a thing from marvel/disney.

 

[marvelrobbins]

really?
so I guess you're not a fan of the characters then. just the studio, director, producers and the occasional F-bomb

I am no fan of what X_Men in MCU universe would be turned into.secondary characters to avengers with little darkness,serinousness,and allegory.

 

[marvelrobbins]

you're basing this on what?

whenever marvel gets character it is rebooted.

 

[BoredGuy]

whenever marvel gets character it is rebooted.

So far this happened to Daredevil and Spidey
both of which sucked in their most recent iteration before Marvel got them back
of course they rebooted

if somehow, magically, they work out a deal with Fox, it will probably only be for DP, and his 4th wall powers make it considerably easier to integrate him without the need for a reboot. If it's for FF, then yes, they reboot cuz the last one sucked. And I'd bet good money that the X-Men are off the table, for now at least.


I'm sorry... I'm sure this was probably said already, but ain't nobody got time to read all these walls of text

 

[spideyboy_1111]

fox to get X related tv show also apparently gave up control of Legion to marvel.

you do realize what people say publicly isn't always the truth.everything rothman lately claims about spider-man is likely PR to make sony seem in
charge.

If fox strikes a deal with disney then X-Men and FF will be in same situation.fox will seek quick bucks on X-Men.they aren't desperate like sony is.

disney wants to focus more on the comic part of comic books.Darkness and
seriouness will suffer if a deal happens.which i guess could happen after wolverine film and deadpool sequel.though it would mean cable in deapdool sequel would be for nothing.

they didn't give up control for legion at all... all indicators show they're actually working together on everything dealing with legion...

you do realize that everything you say and assume isn't fact as well... right?

you have a VERY clear uneducated studio bias.

 

[Smilodon]

fox to get X related tv show also apparently gave up control of Legion to marvel.

you do realize what people say publicly isn't always the truth.everything rothman lately claims about spider-man is likely PR to make sony seem in
charge.

If fox strikes a deal with disney then X-Men and FF will be in same situation.fox will seek quick bucks on X-Men.they aren't desperate like sony is.

disney wants to focus more on the comic part of comic books.Darkness and
seriouness will suffer if a deal happens.which i guess could happen after wolverine film and deadpool sequel.though it would mean cable in deapdool sequel would be for nothing.

How many times do people have to tell you Fox gave up nothing to get Legion? Legion is a co-production. Loeb already said that it's not part of the MCU. Kinberg seems like he's trying to make it part of the X-world. They're just making it together, probably because money trumps any sort of rights issue in the real world.

You're jumping the gun far too many times with these things.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't even see Sony and Fox being similar situations. Sony doesn't have the capacity to expand or make spinoff films from Spidey. It will undoubtedly fail. People were always clamoring for Deadpool. Do I hear chants for Venom films?

Fox has options and they have another prize in Deadpool. Venom, Sinister Six, Black Cat, Silver Sable......give me a break. Unless Marvel is heavily involved and incorporating it somehow in the big picture we don't need anymore garbage polluting the big screen.

that i agree with... sony is moronic for thinking they can spin those films off without spider-man and the MCU

But FOX has a luxury with X-men... where no, not everything "has" to be shared

as i said before it's quite practical to think FOX will be in control of the solos and then let Marvel play with the X-men team..

basically saying Deadpool, Wolverine, X-force, etc.... will all be controlled by fox.. but Xavier's X-men ... from Beast to Cyclops to Magneto to Jean and Nightcrawler etc... would basically be the spidey situation.

honestly i think that's the way it would go down...

some characters from the solos and more adult films could cross over (like wolverine) but they'd be toned down (just like the comics)

 

[GuestStar2004]

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