Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[GuestStar2004]

And Stewart is not in his 90s. He is only 76 now and was 70 in X-Men.

Technically if we work out the age of the character by 2023 which is where the future portion of dofp is set then the character would likely be in his 80s or 90s depending on how old those involved decide xavier was in FC.

Stewart is in his 70s yes that doesnt count for the character, and we still have wolverine 3 coming.

 

[Dark Raven]

The stakes in this movie felt lower than in the previous movie. It feels like DOFP should've been the culmination of the trilogy as it felt more epic (particularly with the two casts) compared to this film. Apocalypse seems more like it should've been the 2nd film and seems to follow more directly from First Class.

With Magneto and Mystique in the wind at the end of DOFP, that would explain better why they are still on opposite sides to the X-Men in the 2000 film. Here in this movie, it's like they've both joined the side of the heroes again, which makes you wonder why they are now villains in X-Men 1.

If certain things were rewritten, I feel that DOFP would've been a better cap on the trilogy.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The stakes in this movie felt lower than in the previous movie. It feels like DOFP should've been the culmination of the trilogy as it felt more epic (particularly with the two casts) compared to this film. Apocalypse seems more like it should've been the 2nd film and seems to follow more directly from First Class.

id agree to that

 

[GuestStar2004]

which makes you wonder why they are now villains in X-Men 1.

I think the point is meant to be that it doesn't matter anymore because DOFP changed the timeline so nothing has to go that way anymore, the ending here is likely a result of those changes which may (probably) not lead to X1.

 

[X-Maniac]

The stakes in this movie felt lower than in the previous movie. It feels like DOFP should've been the culmination of the trilogy as it felt more epic (particularly with the two casts) compared to this film. Apocalypse seems more like it should've been the 2nd film and seems to follow more directly from First Class.

With Magneto and Mystique in the wind at the end of DOFP, that would explain better why they are still on opposite sides to the X-Men in the 2000 film. Here in this movie, it's like they've both joined the side of the heroes again, which makes you wonder why they are now villains in X-Men 1.

If certain things were rewritten, I feel that DOFP would've been a better cap on the trilogy.

Huh? X1 - and indeed all parts of the original films set later than 1973 - may not happen in the same way, if at all, due to the changed timeline.

Didn't you see the happy ending of DoFP with Jean and Scott both now alive and well in 2023?

Some things seem destined to happen (like Wolverine getting adamantium). Others may not happen the same way at all.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Huh? X1 - and indeed all parts of the original films set later than 1973 - may not happen in the same way, if at all, due to the changed timeline.

Didn't you see the happy ending of DoFP with Jean and Scott both now alive and well in 2023?

Some things seem destined to happen (like Wolverine getting adamantium). Others may not happen the same way at all.

to be fair. time stories tend to happen that way.. changing the past only to have the same future still find a way to play out.

it's even possible the DOFP future is not the OT future.. but another alternate reality that causes the OT timeline to occur. and the DOFP happy ending is yet just another alternate universe.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The stakes in this movie felt lower than in the previous movie. It feels like DOFP should've been the culmination of the trilogy as it felt more epic (particularly with the two casts) compared to this film. Apocalypse seems more like it should've been the 2nd film and seems to follow more directly from First Class.

With Magneto and Mystique in the wind at the end of DOFP, that would explain better why they are still on opposite sides to the X-Men in the 2000 film. Here in this movie, it's like they've both joined the side of the heroes again, which makes you wonder why they are now villains in X-Men 1.

If certain things were rewritten, I feel that DOFP would've been a better cap on the trilogy.

Timetravel in DOFP erased the original trilogy as well as anything set from 1973 on of both origins and the wolverine.

based on both singer and kinberg some things will end up similar to original trilogy as we saw at end of DOFP but without Xavier,cyclops,and jean
suffering what they and audence went through with last stand lol

magneto and mystique are question marks now especilly since they were nowhere to be seen at end of DOFP.they can basicly do what they want with those characters assuming they want to bring back lawrence and fassbender.

they were kind of open about fact apocalypse was going to be more a sequel to first class.and yes dofp was the more epic film of this trilogy.

 

[psylockolussus]

The only bad thing about Psylocke in the movie was her lack of dialogue/role in the movie. The costume was awesome, her powers looked good, her fighting was good. Overall I was glad to see an actual comics accurate costume for once in a Singer X-Film. It's most of the rest of the movie that sucked.

Now Apocalypse and his costume on the other hand.... SMFH...

I agree to all of this!

 

[X-Maniac]

to be fair. time stories tend to happen that way.. changing the past only to have the same future still find a way to play out.

it's even possible the DOFP future is not the OT future.. but another alternate reality that causes the OT timeline to occur. and the DOFP happy ending is yet just another alternate universe.

I think the timeline and continuity seem confusing enough without adding all that to the mix.

Bad future was changed. Original trilogy leading to bad future now may not happen in same way. Hence there are some variables (Mystique training X-Men, Phoenix Force appearing earlier) and some constants (Wolverine meets Stryker and gets adamantium).

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think the timeline and continuity seem confusing enough without adding all that to the mix.

Bad future was changed. Original trilogy leading to bad future now may not happen in same way. Hence there are some variables (Mystique training X-Men, Phoenix Force appearing earlier) and some constants (Wolverine meets Stryker and gets adamantium).

i don't disagree, but im just stating the fact it often happens with time travel stories. pretty much anything is possible if they decide to go down a different route.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I think the timeline and continuity seem confusing enough without adding all that to the mix.

Bad future was changed. Original trilogy leading to bad future now may not happen in same way. Hence there are some variables (Mystique training X-Men, Phoenix Force appearing earlier) and some constants (Wolverine meets Stryker and gets adamantium).

it's just better to go with first class,origins,original trilogy,and the wolverine led
to future of DOFP with sentinles.time travel erased everything from those films
from 1973 on.

now they are free to do whatever they want in X-Men films and spin-offs.and yes some things as we saw in apocalypse and future ending of DOFP will
be similar to things In Original trilogy but other things will be different.

 

[Havok83]

i don't disagree, but im just stating the fact it often happens with time travel stories. pretty much anything is possible if they decide to go down a different route.

thats how it happens in the comics (which have alot more room to explore this stuff). They made it a point to keep it simple in the film and from what we saw in DOFP, the future was changed. To saw that was just another alternate future would completely undermine that entire film and the line going forward IMO.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

thats how it happens in the comics (which have alot more room to explore this stuff). They made it a point to keep it simple in the film and from what we saw in DOFP, the future was changed. To saw that was just another alternate future would completely undermine that entire film and the line going forward IMO.

well it wouldn't be the first X film to undermine the previous films

 

[Havok83]

well it wouldn't be the first X film to undermine the previous films

 

[X-Maniac]

well it wouldn't be the first X film to undermine the previous films

LOL... yes, the fluid and flexible world of the X-Men...

 

[EnDz0n3]

Psylocke's Psychic Knife could've been rendered better I thought. And after 13 years, Nightcrawler's feet are just as fake as ever. Thankfully we didn't get a long close up of them (like the deleted mall scene).

 

[BMM]

A lot of things could have been rendered better. The CGI and make up in Apocalypse are subpar, to say the least.

 

[EnDz0n3]

^^^ I was mostly replying to the posts that said Psylocke's powers looked good.

But yea I thought Apocalypse was one of the worst characters in the movie (aesthetically speaking and acting-wise).

 

[DavidHaller]

anyone saw this screen test Jean Grey scene yet with Sophie Turner?

https://vimeo.com/184438759

pretty cool. She is speaking to Scott and is narrating how her powers emerged for the first time. Would have made a great scene in the movie!

 

[marvelrobbins]

anyone saw this screen test Jean Grey scene yet with Sophie Turner?

https://vimeo.com/184438759

pretty cool. She is speaking to Scott and is narrating how her powers emerged for the first time. Would have made a great scene in the movie!

I saw it.it would have created more compaints had it been used with idea her powers manifested when her mother died.

 

[DavidHaller]

I saw it.it would have created more compaints had it been used with idea her powers manifested when her mother died.

so what? who cares? Jean's powers manifested when her childhood friend Annie was killed in a car accident. They had her mother took that role instead. Pretty good adaptation in my eyes. As if Jean's mother was ever of any importance for the comic books...it would have been a nice scene to show what connected Scott and Jean in the first place...

 

[RLAAMJR.]

Fellow X-men fans , please vote me and psylockolossus here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=519423

and here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=519425

 

[Zant]

anyone saw this screen test Jean Grey scene yet with Sophie Turner?

https://vimeo.com/184438759

pretty cool. She is speaking to Scott and is narrating how her powers emerged for the first time. Would have made a great scene in the movie!

That little story is dark, depressing and disturbing. The kind of stuff that belongs in an xmen film.

 

[X-Maniac]

anyone saw this screen test Jean Grey scene yet with Sophie Turner?

https://vimeo.com/184438759

pretty cool. She is speaking to Scott and is narrating how her powers emerged for the first time. Would have made a great scene in the movie!

It's a very nice scene. Even though it goes against the comics.

And even though it goes against the young Jean flashback in X3, where both parents are alive at the time Xavier/Magneto 'recruit' her, that could be explained away by the changes to the timeline from Wolverine's time-travel to 1973.

It's quite disturbing that Jean killed her own mother... and thus holds back on her powers because of guilt and fear.

I think those looking for any reason to hate Fox's X-Men would have attacked this scene for deviation from the comics.

 

[def28]

First Class was a pretty heavy change from the source as far as the Origins of X-Men, and the majority of comic fans loved it.

People complain about hair color so of course hardcore X-Men fans would be pissed or worried about them changing Jean Grey's origin. She's the X-Men's leading gal, it would be weird if fans were not being possessive over such a beloved character. It's the nature of fandom. Just like when heavy changes in a popular novel adaptation happen.

Doesn't mean that matters at all, if it's executed well it won't have any effect as we have seen time and time again. If it's executed poorly or in a movie which has obvious problems like Apocalypse, then there will not be many positives and Fox or whatever studio is making said film will get slammed for changing things. Happens to everyone.

If Jean and Scott were written as the full leads and they had a more appropriate villain I'd say go for it. But otherwise I don't think this would have helped much. The upbeat nature of the young team was the strongest point here cause the villain side of things were so boring. It was the only thing that felt fresh. No need to bring things down even more. The death of Havok and Magnetos wife and kid were already reaching for forced melancholy with our characters, after a point things just get numb due to redundancy.