Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 43

[GuestStar2004]

If you mean blood wise its likely the coloring of that shot and how brief it is allowed it to be used while actually having him covered in blood in apocalypse would probably be on the edge of pg13, even though you do see blood splatter on the wall.

as for the whole idea behind weapon X its obvious the action was the main point of it, this is weapon X, this is what they were trying to turn wolverine into and in this timeline they managed to do it and jean lets him out and he goes on a rampage

 

[def28]

Iceman and Storm are fine but the audience is not invested in them like comic fans are in those characters from the pages. The comic versions are 2 of my favourite characters but as film characters they are on a par with a supporting character in any half decent film, no more memorable than that. Xavier and Magneto on the other hand sure. If it had been one of their legitimate death scenes rather than the X3 fakeout that would have had impact with the majority who watch the film.

Pretty much

I wanted scenes with Storm actually communicating with her team mates in DOFP. But there's little to nothing there. Also wanted more with Kitty and Bobby. It doesn't follow on the relationship much if at all. But even that slight look to her as he goes into battle in the beginning helps us connect it. Audiences just needed more with these guys. It was far too long since X3 and expecting all audiences to remember every little detail from them was never gonna happen.

The main emotional core of DOFP is Xavier, Mystique and Mags. Not the X-Men in their future scenes. There is just not much there, and most of it is exposition not actual development or showing off these new X-Men's personalities/relationships. Does it work for the films purpose of being a Mags, Raven and Xavier film? Absolutely. Does it make audiences more connected to the future X-Men? No.

 

[2kt09]

If you mean blood wise its likely the coloring of that shot and how brief it is allowed it to be used while actually having him covered in blood in apocalypse would probably be on the edge of pg13, even though you do see blood splatter on the wall.

as for the whole idea behind weapon X its obvious the action was the main point of it, this is weapon X, this is what they were trying to turn wolverine into and in this timeline they managed to do it and jean lets him out and he goes on a rampage

Right, even then my only other point of reference seems to be what F4 got away with as far as Doom's rampage.

 

[Havok83]

Pretty much

I wanted scenes with Storm actually communicating with her team mates in DOFP. But there's little to nothing there. Also wanted more with Kitty and Bobby. It doesn't follow on the relationship much if at all. But even that slight look to her as he goes into battle in the beginning helps us connect it. Audiences just needed more with these guys. It was far too long since X3 and expecting all audiences to remember every little detail from them was never gonna happen.

did you watch the Rogue cut? That at least gives Bobby more to do as it follows up on the Rogue/Bobby/Kitty thread that X3 introduced. Kitty also gets a good moment, not seen in the original version

If you mean blood wise its likely the coloring of that shot and how brief it is allowed it to be used while actually having him covered in blood in apocalypse would probably be on the edge of pg13, even though you do see blood splatter on the wall.

as for the whole idea behind weapon X its obvious the action was the main point of it, this is weapon X, this is what they were trying to turn wolverine into and in this timeline they managed to do it and jean lets him out and he goes on a rampage

it had no business being in this film. It felt wildly out of place and unnecesarily derailed the movie. That half hour or however long it was could have been utilized for something more plot relevant and/or given the newer characters much needed characterization or their own action sequence

 

[X-Maniac]

it had no business being in this film. It felt wildly out of place and unnecesarily derailed the movie. That half hour or however long it was could have been utilized for something more plot relevant and/or given the newer characters much needed characterization or their own action sequence

I can see why they wanted to 'complete the circle' and show Wolverine did meet Stryker and get adamantium enhancement... but it just didn't seem that well staged.

I think Mangold or Miller should have directed this section, so it had a lot more edginess and rawness than what we saw. Wolverine didn't even look very scary, from the moment we saw his normal legs and feet step out of that chamber, it seemed underwhelming... and it looked kinda funny when he scurried off into the woods.

 

[Havok83]

I can see why they wanted to 'complete the circle' and show Wolverine did meet Stryker and get adamantium enhancement... but it just didn't seem that well staged.

I think Mangold or Miller should have directed this section, so it had a lot more edginess and rawness than what we saw. Wolverine didn't even look very scary, from the moment we saw his normal legs and feet step out of that chamber, it seemed underwhelming... and it looked kinda funny when he scurried off into the woods.

Thats why it failed to me bc this trilogy wasnt about him. He was only used to bridge the gap between the two timelines. We didnt need to see him in Weapon X. It was unnecessary and created even more questions like how did he get there and that ending with Mystique from the previous movie. It would have been best to not even touch that and leave it up to the viewers as to what his fate was after DOFP. If they felt they had to do this, I really wish we at least could have seen the kids fighting and starting to come together as a team for the first time instead of it just being Wolverine slashing things

They really wasted moments when they could have had Jean, Kurt and Scott doing more. The mansion scene was another. I would have liked to have seen them first take on the Horsemen there (and get their butts handed to them). They still could have had Alex die during this as well as Quicksilver save kids from the destruction that was happening. A waste

 

[DavidHaller]

Thats why it failed to me bc this trilogy wasnt about him. He was only used to bridge the gap between the two timelines. We didnt need to see him in Weapon X. It was unnecessary and created even more questions like how did he get there and that ending with Mystique from the previous movie. It would have been best to not even touch that and leave it up to the viewers as to what his fate was after DOFP. If they felt they had to do this, I really wish we at least could have seen the kids fighting and starting to come together as a team for the first time instead of it just being Wolverine slashing things

the easiest way to include Wolverine would have been to make him the fourth horsemen instead of Psylocke. Psylocke was barely in the movie and they could have given a great twisted version of Wolverine some action scenes in the final fight instead...Wolverine vs. Jean and Scott could have been a lot of fun.

no idea why they gave us this Weapon X non-sense instead. It was a detour that ruined the movie and stole screen time from the actual plot. But I guess they needed this scene as a set up for "Logan" and wanted to show that he went also through the Weapon X program in this new timeline...

 

[GuestStar2004]

We don't really know if those events play a part in wolverine 3 or not so we can't say whether they were necessary or not, we were not there when they were planning this stuff out.

Either way they wanted wolverine in it in some way according to singer, they were gonna give him a much bigger role as field leader for the kids but reduced it down and the weapon X stuff came from them knowing they waned some mutants either the elders or the younger X to be kidnapped at some point in the movie and need to be rescued

 

[GuestStar2004]

the easiest way to include Wolverine would have been to make him the fourth horsemen instead of Psylocke. Psylocke was barely in the movie and they could have given a great twisted version of Wolverine some action scenes in the final fight instead...Wolverine vs. Jean and Scott could have been a lot of fun. ;.

Except singer clearly didn't want the horseman to be brainwashed so it would have to be believable that wolverine would be convinced to join apocalypse by choice.

 

[Havok83]

Except singer clearly didn't want the horseman to be brainwashed so it would have to be believable that wolverine would be convinced to join apocalypse by choice.

He failed at doing that with the Horseman he did use. Apocalypse saving him from imprisonment at the WX facility could have been enough to have Logan by his side

 

[X-Maniac]

the easiest way to include Wolverine would have been to make him the fourth horsemen instead of Psylocke. Psylocke was barely in the movie and they could have given a great twisted version of Wolverine some action scenes in the final fight instead...Wolverine vs. Jean and Scott could have been a lot of fun.

no idea why they gave us this Weapon X non-sense instead. It was a detour that ruined the movie and stole screen time from the actual plot. But I guess they needed this scene as a set up for "Logan" and wanted to show that he went also through the Weapon X program in this new timeline...

I thought about Wolverine as a horseman too. It could have worked, or it could have made him too prominent.

If the Weapon X stuff had been better staged, that would have satisfied me. It was fine up until the point that Jean raised the giant bolt that sealed the chamber. Then after that it didn't really seem memorable.

 

[GuestStar2004]

He failed at doing that with the Horseman he did use. Apocalypse saving him from imprisonment at the WX facility could have been enough to have Logan by his side

So apocalypse would rescue him from what weapon X and then wolverine would stand by apocalypse side as a horseman? wouldnt that go slightly against his "go ***** yourself" personality? Well unless we wanna drag him in the mud like they did mags to make him more open to suggestion.

Either way when people think of wolverine as a horseman it's usually as a evil version of himself rather then a suggested version who just stands by apocalypse because why not.

It honestly wouldn't be any easier to do lol

 

[X-Maniac]

Or they could have Wolverine fight with Stryker on the helicopter in a nailbiting aerial battle...

I even thought it would have been cool to see Emma Frost set free from a cell at Alkali Lake and fight with Stryker on the helicopter, finally finishing him off by extending her diamond form into lethal spikes out of her foot/hand through his throat or something. Stryker plunges to his death and she flies away...

 

[GuestStar2004]

Stryker wouldn't have lasted 5 seconds against wolverine to be fair.

 

[Havok83]

So apocalypse would rescue him from what weapon X and then wolverine would stand by apocalypse side as a horseman? wouldnt that go slightly against his "go ***** yourself" personality? Well unless we wanna drag him in the mud like they did mags to make him more open to suggestion.

Either way when people think of wolverine as a horseman it's usually as a evil version of himself rather then a suggested version who just stands by apocalypse because why not.

It honestly wouldn't be any easier to do lol

Sure why not. That would be consistent with how the rest of the Horsemen were handled. We didnt really get strong motivations for why they stood by Apocalypse so if they wanted to make it logical, then heavy mind warping should have been applied but it wasnt, so I would have chalked that up to just another weak point in the writing

 

[DavidHaller]

they could have also let Apocalypse be the one who gives Wolverine his Adamantium (like in the comicbooks) and let him loose afterwards against the X-Men as a wild animal with berserker rage. These scenes could have also been used to develope Apocalypse further instead of a scene that is a total unneccessary detour from the plot of the movie.

I also still disagree that Apocalypse did not use mindcontrol to manipulate his horsemen in the movie. I think it is obvious that he increased their emotional states with his voice at least. His voice was artifically anhanced to show this effect. This also would explain why Charles let Magneto walk away in the end.

 

[Frankeh]

The airport scene in Civil War while not the most tension filled showcases characters in ways never seen through interactions as well as grand spectacle. The ending battle between Stark, Bucky and Cap is personal and flat out brutal. There's build up, betrayal and choreography to match the former. It had all the ingredients for the audience to be invested and there's just far more regarding action and actual character, which is why that series is still on top.

I agree with the issues of the future action scenes, but the past scenes did deliver action with emotional stakes. In the Paris Peace Accords scene, you feel invested in Magneto suddenly turning homicidal on Mystique, because we got to know them in FC and saw them grow together, same with Charles convincing Mystique to stop at the White House and subsequently letting her go once and for all, that's the "catharsis" moment of the film.

It's pretty crazy that they had such a good handle on this in DOFP and yet in Apocalypse they delivered such a mess of a movie.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I agree with the issues of the future action scenes, but the past scenes did deliver action with emotional stakes. In the Paris Peace Accords scene, you feel invested in Magneto suddenly turning homicidal on Mystique, because we got to know them in FC and saw them grow together, same with Charles convincing Mystique to stop at the White House and subsequently letting her go once and for all, that's the "catharsis" moment of the film.

It depends what you mean by that since the stakes were very different, in DOFP the stakes were within the FC group of characters all we their own motives, while apocalypse is obviously about apocalypse

DOFP also had less characters to juggle with when the development was 75% in the smaller past group, while with apocalypse they attempted to juggle more characters which is also including the character the film was named after.

 

[DavidHaller]

It depends what you mean by that since the stakes were very different, in DOFP the stakes were within the FC group of characters all we their own motives, while apocalypse is obviously about apocalypse.

no sorry, I disagree. I think you misunderstand the movie then. It is clearly primary about Magneto's development. Apocalypse is only a catalyst for Magneto's rage and desperation. In the end we are following Magento's story.

 

[GuestStar2004]

no sorry, I disagree. I think you misunderstand the movie then. It is clearly primary about Magneto's development. Apocalypse is only a catalyst for Magneto's rage and desperation. In the end we are following Magento's story.

Its called X-Men: Apocalypse, he is the main villain, he is the main threat, the character the film is named after, unlike trask there is alot more pressure on apocalypse shoulders to be the one standing in their way rather then among themselves.

 

[Havok83]

that may have been the intention but it definitely was not how it was executed

 

[marvelrobbins]

I can see why they wanted to 'complete the circle' and show Wolverine did meet Stryker and get adamantium enhancement... but it just didn't seem that well staged.

I think Mangold or Miller should have directed this section, so it had a lot more edginess and rawness than what we saw. Wolverine didn't even look very scary, from the moment we saw his normal legs and feet step out of that chamber, it seemed underwhelming... and it looked kinda funny when he scurried off into the woods.

why the hell would Miller have anything to do with this film some of you have deadpool blinders on.APocalypse was not a comedy like deadpool.

Singer clearly wanted to direct jackman one last time in full X-Men film.and
since Apocalypse may be singer's last X film obvious he wanted to work with someone he has throughout his films.and singer may have wanted last word on weapon X in films.

you also seem to forget mangold apparently directed the mid credit scene of the wolverine with had more to do with DOFP than the wolverine.

 

[X-Maniac]

why the hell would Miller have anything to do with this film some of you have deadpool blinders on.APocalypse was not a comedy like deadpool.

Singer clearly wanted to direct jackman one last time in full X-Men film.and
since Apocalypse may be singer's last X film obvious he wanted to work with someone he has throughout his films.and singer may have wanted last word on weapon X in films.

you also seem to forget mangold apparently directed the mid credit scene of the wolverine with had more to do with DOFP than the wolverine.

Because the Weapon X stuff was not well choreographed or well directed. It wasn't scary or memorable.

Singer's not good at directing intense, brutal violence.

Mangold's The Wolverine showed a better grasp of Wolverine's action, and Miller's Deadpool had a kinetic rawness to the violence that would also work well with Wolverine.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Because the Weapon X stuff was not well choreographed or well directed. It wasn't scary or memorable.

Singer's not good at directing intense, brutal violence.

Mangold's The Wolverine showed a better grasp of Wolverine's action, and Miller's Deadpool had a kinetic rawness to the violence that would also work well with Wolverine.

weapon x should be serious not a comedic situation.deadpool is r rated comedy.there is nothing in deadpool that you can take too seriously.which is whyw hen i have watched film i let it go all the mocking it does of X-men characters.Maybe mangold would do better job with weapon x sequenze but this was singer's last cahnce to direct jackman in X_Men film and it's up in the air if singer will have anything to do with films going forward or even if there will even be another X-Men film.Apocalypse was defently last chance to get jackman in full X-Men film.

at end of day APocalypse was singer's film.violence in deadpool was so over the top you couldn't take it seriously.Mangold seems to be bringing to logan a more girtyness to violence.

people have right to disagree with me and like deadpool more than all the other X-Men and wolverine films but i strongly disagree witht he attitude of treating miller as god and he can do now rong and he should be in charge of everything.for miller fans he is getting deadpool 2 to do and who knows maybe fox will also give him X-force depending on how much he can work with Kinberg.

 

[Stan Lee]

Has anyone read X-Factor's Horsemen of Apocalypse/Fall of The Mutants?

I've recently read that and noticed that this film took ALOT from that narrative wise. Magneto's story arc almost completely mirrors Warren's.