The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 3

[BatLobster]

If it was April 1st I'd swear Tacit was pulling our legs. Talk about doing a 180.

Not a bad couple of months for Rises on SHH!. First, holding its own in that poll against Civil War. Now, Tacit's endorsement.

I think the biggest problem of Rises for me now is the fallout from the truth behind Dent: as in there was none. I mean, Bane was gonna release the prisoners anyways, so whatever. And since the movie didn't focus on Gothamites we never got their reaction.

The other problem was the dissonace between redeeming the cops (as dramatized by Foley) and Blake's arc. At the end you see the police are celebrating, they are redeemed. But right after you see Blake throw away his badge, because the structure of the police force is too restricted. So, the movie is redeeming and condemning cops?

I think the Dent fallout issue is a legitimate criticism. I think it was more of a plot device to simultaneously exonerate Batman so he can once again become a symbol of good for Gotham at the end, while playing into the concept of Bane's revolution. But it wasn't given quite as much weight as it could've.

As for the ending and the cops, I don't think it's necessarily condemning cops, or certainly not all cops. I think the idea is that Blake's hunger for justice is just too strong for him to continue to feel like he's a part of something that could potentially be corruptible. Like Bruce, he gravitates towards an idea/symbol that's bigger than what can exist within the confines of "the rules". But it's not a path for everyone, obviously.

It's saying that Blake doesn't belong in the GCPD, in the system as it were. Because vigilantism is his future, to be the anonymous symbol when it is needed again. It's an isolated and unique experience for one person.

Yeah, exactly. All about Blake finding his path, not about the cops.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I guess Gordon choosing to remain in the police force is an endorsement that the structure still has merit.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Another thing I noticed: Bruce was all too eager to do detective work on Selina Kyle while totally ignoring Bane. Leaving that to Alfred.

Do you think that painted Bruce as selfish and reckless? Seemingly more interested in his mother's missing pearls than a super terrorist?

Or was that Bruce's subconscious desire to die which made him underestimate Bane as hinted in the film?

 

[shauner111]

Yes, he was in a bad place for a while there. It's not until he gets thrown into the pit that he feels that he must become Batman again. Rediscover who he is, who he once was, priorities, etc. Him stopping Bane the first time was selfish. A way to prove to himself that he can do this and perhaps a way to die if things go wrong? Ego drives him and a morbid curiosity. He also wants to be punished. The second time he fights Bane, it's selfless. It's all about Gotham.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I thought he stopped being Batman then. He learned to feel fear again. He was afraid of Bats again. He was operating in daylight. He was Bruce Wayne in a batsuit.

 

[Brother Jack]

Do you think that painted Bruce as selfish and reckless? Seemingly more interested in his mother's missing pearls than a super terrorist?

Or was that Bruce's subconscious desire to die which made him underestimate Bane as hinted in the film?

This. He was reckless and arrogant and underestimated Bane because, underneath, he didn't care about living anymore. Also, he was into Selina. She was the first person he'd encountered in several years that he had a connection to. She was the first to drag him out of his hermitage. Blake and Gordon were the next ones.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I think the biggest problem of Rises for me now is the fallout from the truth behind Dent: as in there was none. I mean, Bane was gonna release the prisoners anyways, so whatever. And since the movie didn't focus on Gothamites we never got their reaction.

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[Nardz937]

The look of David Ayer's joker makes me curious as to what Zack Snyder's joker would have been like.

He would probably look more comic accurate, and Snyder's Joker would save people and tell children to stay in school.

 

[BatLobster]

Wow, big Justice League PR push today. They are really going all in on pushing this one as being more of family movie.

Another thing I noticed: Bruce was all too eager to do detective work on Selina Kyle while totally ignoring Bane. Leaving that to Alfred.

Do you think that painted Bruce as selfish and reckless? Seemingly more interested in his mother's missing pearls than a super terrorist?

Or was that Bruce's subconscious desire to die which made him underestimate Bane as hinted in the film?

I actually didn't read too much into Bruce having Alfred research Bane. I think Selina is the thing that first "wakes him up" and gives him something to focus on. So between him wanting to track her down, going to the hospital and visiting Lucius, he's got enough on his plate that I didn't think much of him having Alfred research Bane, especially because Alfred is shown to be reliable for that sort of thing. Once Alfred tells Bruce about Bane, I don't think he's underestimating him as a threat to the city, though he is underestimating him as a threat to himself which arguably ties into the subconscious death wish thing considering how recklessly he approaches the first fight.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

And I suppose the Snyder chasers are suddenly fine with what they deem as 'lame' and 'kiddie'?

 

[The Joker]

Wow, big Justice League PR push today. They are really going all in on pushing this one as being more of family movie.

Desperate to make their billion they hoped to get on BvS.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Devin Faraci was lavished with an exclusive set visit. This guarantees a good review from him.

 

[Slade W]

Unsurprisingly, nothing Snyder said gives me hope for JL. The sooner it is over and someone else can take over the JL characters, the better (unless they get someone worse and more unsuitable than him, of course). Hopefully the other movies that Snyder is not directing will be good.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I wonder what a JL movie made by the Wachowski sisters would be like.

 

[JackWhite]

Investigating Selina first also lead to info on Bane because she was in the loop with what was going down in the sewers. "You're in deep with the wrong people."

Also Bruce went to Gordon in the hospital where he tells him about Bane's army "rising from where they tried to bury it." Like Batlobster said, Selina was the first person to shake him out of his self-imposed exile.

lol, JL is probably going to be Avengers-lite if they are going the "family friendly" route.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I wonder what a JL movie made by the Wachowski sisters would be like.

So they are both female now?

 

[Snow Queen]

I wonder what a JL movie made by the Wachowski sisters would be like.

Baffling, barely coherent, but infinitely more enjoyable than BVS as it'd at least be entertainingly bad.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Baffling, barely coherent, but infinitely more enjoyable than BVS as it'd at least be entertainingly bad.

I dunno. Jupiter ASSending was as bad as BvS.

So they are both female now?

Yeah

 

[Snow Queen]

I dunno. Jupiter ASSending was as bad as BvS.



Yeah

Oh, it was terrible, arguably even worse than BVS, but I thought it was that enjoyable kind of bad, whereas BVS was just dull.

 

[BatLobster]

Devin Faraci was lavished with an exclusive set visit. This guarantees a good review from him.

I would laugh my *ss off if JL is another critical dud, but Faraci praises it this time.

 

[Kane52630]

I dunno. Jupiter ASSending was as bad as BvS.

Pretty fair assessment. Both movies threw in everything but the kitchen sink in order to build a universe.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

So the consensus here states the Watchowski's aren't much better as director choices when compared to Snyder.
Good to know, I'm not a Watchowski fan.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I am still a Wachowski's fan. But they are not suited to the material.

But still, Matrix, Bound, Cloud Atlas and Speed Racer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snyder.

 

[The Joker]

lol, JL is probably going to be Avengers-lite if they are going the "family friendly" route.

It's like their attempt to mimic Nolan's tone has fallen flat on it's face, so now they're trying the other mega successful style.

Zack Snyder: "We owe the DCEU to Chris Nolan's Batman movies. They set the tone for our universe".

No, they didn't. You chose to use them to set your tone. They were great movies that showed how awesome Batman and his universe can be. But you don't have to mimic it, or try to anyway because I don't ever remember Nolan's movies being that drab and humorless. Superman can have his own tone that's different to Batman. Same with Wonder Woman, Flash and the rest. You don't even have to copy Nolan's tone for Batman, because there's more than one tone that works well for Batman.

Now they're going to the other extreme; family friendly. It has to be either dark and grim or family friendly. Like there's no balance. I just read a quote in the new interview about all the heroes smiling in JL lol. The failed TASM franchise tried the same thing. The first movie was trying to emulate Nolan's gritty tone, then the sequel went in the opposite direction, so cheesy and cartoony, and tried to start an expansive universe like Marvel.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Nolan understands character and storytelling. Snyder doesn't.

Going lighter isn't a cure all. That's what Sony did with TASM2 after the dull and drab TASM1, and a fat lot of good it did them.