The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 4

[Tacit Ronin]

Who else thinks Hans Zimmer's theme for Superman does not fit the character. Such a celebratory and cheerful theme for such a mopey dope. Makes no sense.

Looks like either Zimmer or Snyder agreed with me. You barely heard it in BvS. I mean, where was there any room to put the rousing tune in that depressing movie?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

never thought I could hear a theme so worthy of being the successor of John William's iconic theme, easily one of the best parts of Man of Steel. So what do they do? Not use it at all, naturally.

yet another problem I had with BvS.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Where would they use it?


Exactly.

 

[Kane52630]

I thought they over played his theme in MoS way too much.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

well I meant the version that was played at the end of MOS. That one is pure goodness.

hopefully the JL theme is even better than what we've heard so far.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I did the stupid thing and took BvS Ultimate Cut, and now skim through it.

• Sounds like the opening monologue is trimmed from the theatrical version, or I don't remember it properly, but I remember longer nonsensical monologue..

Yeah. What the hell? Some the dialogue is completely nonsensical or verging on God fearing

There was a time above... a time before. There were perfect things... diamond absolutes. But things fall, things on Earth. And what falls... is fallen. In the dream, they took me to the light. A beautiful lie.

Alfred: Oh, yes it has, sir. Everything's changed. Men fall from the sky, the gods hurl thunderbolts, innocents die. That's how it starts, sir. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel. [/B]

Lex Luthor [looks at a picture of angels vs demons] That should be upside down. We know better now, don't we? Devils don't come from hell beneath us. No, they come from the sky.

Lex Luthor: See, what we call God depends upon our tribe, Clark Joe, 'cause God is tribal; God takes sides! No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from daddy's fist and abominations. I figured out way back if God is all-powerful, He cannot be all good. And if He is all good, then He cannot be all-powerful. And neither can you be.

Lex Luthor: And now you will fly to him, and you will battle him to the death. Black and blue. Fight night. The greatest gladiator match in the history of the world: God versus man; day versus night; Son of Krypton versus Bat of Gotham!

Lex Luthor: And now God bends to my will.

Jack- Heaven god. Creator of heaven and earth. Have mercy on my soul.

The dialogue just gets my blood boiling

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Who else thinks Hans Zimmer's theme for Superman does not fit the character. Such a celebratory and cheerful theme for such a mopey dope. Makes no sense.

Looks like either Zimmer or Snyder agreed with me. You barely heard it in BvS. I mean, where was there any room to put the rousing tune in that depressing movie?

Zimmer's Superman theme was probably what got me sold on MoS from the trailers. Such a shame we haven't seen a Cavill version of the character which comes close to the Superman which was promised by that theme. I think the dude has the ability to live up to the theme if given the right material, but I'm wondering if the clock's ticking for that to happen. I think MoS 2 was officially announced recently, so I'm saving hope as long as Snyder doesn't get anywhere near it.

Anyway, saw SS yesterday, must say I thought it was quite decent/solid overall, although I can't really say I feel comfortable using the latter term when referring to it. Thought it was refreshing that I didn't really notice the studio interference, although how much of that is up to my lowered expectations and to my likely lack of a honed eye and/or not caring all that much I can't say. I did enjoy it more than BvS' theatrical cut, so there's that, haha.

I was so meh on Leto's Joker, it wasn't even funny. He was just there and his role in the movie felt so pointless. I've actually seen people claim his take was 'refreshing' when there wasn't the time, nor performance to even get close to that. On the other hand, the people I've seen claim this I know for sure didn't care for Ledger's take on the character, so I guess I should've seen it coming.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Warner Brothers should tell Zack "listen, why don't you just direct a Jesus movie so you get all this religious undertone crap out of your system already."

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Yeah. What the hell? Some the dialogue is completely nonsensical or verging on God fearing



The dialogue just gets my blood boiling

If what Zack Snyder really does is just skim through comics [most likely case] he must've seen one bubble of someone thinking too highly of Superman and decided to use it as one of his story themes.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The dialogue is on Terrio trying to be clever.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

"Smartest script."
How funny that sounds.

 

[titansupes]

The dialogue is on Terrio trying to be clever.

I honestly had this worry months before BvS came out, when everyone was singing his praises. I'd watched and read a couple of longer interviews with him and... he just waffles on endlessly. Lots of big words trying to pass off as deep, but not actually saying much at all. And frankly, I think BvS's dialogue reflects all that.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm sorry I was optimistic over the news of Ben Affleck casting, and then hiring Chris Terrio.

 

[The Joker]

I've decided to do a TDK trilogy marathon. Haven't done that in nearly 2 years, and frankly I needed to lose myself in some great DC movie material after recent offerings have fallen short. I did BB and TDK today. They still hold up as great as ever for me. Rewatching them I still appreciate all the big moments, as well as the smaller subtler ones.

One of the things I love in terms of story is how organically the story flows from BB into TDK. The escalation Gordon predicted at the end of BB happens. The theatrical criminal who was leaving the Joker cards is making his move. Scarecrow's still on the loose. Batman has had an impact on Gotham positively and negatively. The positive is he has the criminals running scared, but the negative is he's become a wrong kind of inspiration with the gun toting copycats. Bruce Wayne is shacked up in a swanky penthouse while Wayne Manor is being rebuilt, and set his Batman base up in a bunker. A new D.A. has taken over after the last one was killed in BB. Rachel's moved on after what she said to Bruce at the end of BB. The story builds on this whole foundation.

Its why I have always felt that BB and TDK feel tighter in terms of connection. Even though Rises' story relies heavily on the events of the previous movies, these two felt like a natural continuation in that it didn't introduce whole new elements we never got hints of in the previous movies (Talia, Bane, Blake, Batman retiring right after Dent dies etc). Not that its a necessity for new characters or story elements to be hinted at in previous movies of course. Its just that in terms of this trilogy you can look back in BB and see the seeds of TDK's story there. Whereas in TDK I personally don't see any of TDKR's other than the obvious ones like Batman being a wanted man for Dent's murder, the Dent cover up coming out, and the fall out over Alfred burning Rachel's letter.

There's some overlooked funny moments in BB that I noticed today. In the apartment scene with Scarecrow before he sets Batman on fire, one of his men is taking a piss in the toilet and Batman knocks him out while he's standing there pissing lol. The other one, and I don't know if this was intended to be funny, but when Batman is racing Rachel back to the Batcave to give her the antidote to Crane's toxin, he says to her "Stay calm.......you've been poisoned", and I was like yeah good way to keep her calm there, Batman, by telling her that lol.

Some great parallels in these movies, too. I think my personal fav was in the wake of Rachel's death in TDK, how they did a parallel to the aftermath of the funeral of Bruce's parents, where Alfred comes in and says something about food, Bruce says nothing, Alfred says "Very well" and goes to leave and Bruce calls him back, and they have their little heart to heart. Nice touches like that I really love.

I'll tackle TDKR tomorrow.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Its why I have always felt that BB and TDK feel tighter in terms of connection. Even though Rises' story relies heavily on the events of the previous movies, these two felt like a natural continuation in that it didn't introduce whole new elements we never got hints of in the previous movies (Talia, Bane, Blake, Batman retiring right after Dent dies etc). Not that its a necessity for new characters or story elements to be hinted at in previous movies of course. Its just that in terms of this trilogy you can look back in BB and see the seeds of TDK's story there. Whereas in TDK I personally don't see any of TDKR's other than the obvious ones like Batman being a wanted man for Dent's murder, the Dent cover up coming out, and the fall out over Alfred burning Rachel's letter.

Batman retiring kinda made sense.
The knee damage came out of nowhere, was unnecessary, stupid, and insane.

Good luck tackling that movie again without cringing once over what makes you cringe.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I am interested in your assessment of Rises, Joker. My own recent viewing of Rises was revelatory in how much I enjoyed it as an emotional roller-coaster. While the other two felt more distant.

 

[The Joker]

Batman retiring kinda made sense.

Not literally after the night Dent dies. Nobody expected his legacy to be that effective that quickly.

The knee damage came out of nowhere, was unnecessary, stupid, and insane.

I had no problem with the knee injury. Letting it fester for 8 years on the other hand....I mean why he didn't get it sorted when he was actively trying to help Gotham as Bruce Wayne I don't know.

Good luck tackling that movie again without cringing once over what makes you cringe.

There's only three things in the movie that are bad enough to make me cringe, and its Batman's lame comeback to Bane in the finale "No, I came back to stop you". Where's the trigger. And Cottiard's dropping dead acting.

EDIT; Also Blake's knowing Batman is Bruce because he recognized a look on his face. That was ridiculous.

 

[shauner111]

The knee damage comes out of nowhere? As Nolan said, he hurt his leg in the fall that killed Harvey Dent. It's not like it comes completely out of left field since he's limping like crazy at the end of TDK. Plus if he truly did retire (whether it was immediately after or a few years later as some theories go) the knee would indeed get worse over time due to little activity. As well as Bruce not trying to make it better during his stage of depression. As most people tend to do in that state.

Like Rises or not, watch that movie Joker then please watch BvS and get back to us hehe.

Even though we've talked about this, I still think there's a few hints that Batman didn't retire the next night. It seems like he did from the perspective of outsiders who don't know all the details like Gordon, Blake, the vast majority of the city.

 

[The Joker]

Like Rises or not, watch that movie Joker then please watch BvS and get back to us hehe.

I do like Rises. A lot. Flawed yes, but very good movie. BvS on the other hand, you'd have to pay me to give up 2 and half hours of my life to watch that again.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Wasn't it because Bruce stopped living that he didn't bother to take care of his knee or something?

 

[shauner111]

3 hours!! I want you to see the Ultimate Cut!

 

[Snow Queen]

There's only three things in the movie that are bad enough to make me cringe, and its Batman's lame comeback to Bane in the finale "No, I came back to stop you". Where's the trigger. And Cottiard's dropping dead acting.

I think this is the worst line in the series for me. Not necessarily on it's own, but just the music's rising and intense, the scene's ramping up and then...that. It's like they wrote that down and said "Okay, just write this down and flag it in red, I'll come back to it later with something better" and then forgot.

 

[The Joker]

Wasn't it because Bruce stopped living that he didn't bother to take care of his knee or something?

After his energy project fell through, and he basically had nothing to try for any more as Bruce or Batman. But that's my point, why didn't he sort his knee out before he went on his big venture to help Gotham with the energy project. When he still had something to live for before he became a miserable recluse.

3 hours!! I want you to see the Ultimate Cut!

I've seen the additional footage online. Doesn't help the movie at all. Superficial changes that don't fix the real problems. Its like putting a band aid on a gaping stab wound.

 

[shauner111]

Wasn't it because Bruce stopped living that he didn't bother to take care of his knee or something?

He didn't care anymore and I believe to him it represented the guilt he was carrying about the whole Dent lie, transformation, death. Which also ties to Rachels death. That's how I see it. Bruce couldn't let go of the past and getting his knee fixed meant a change in his life for the better. But he was too depressed to think this way.

This is why I think the knee thing is a very nice touch.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

There's only three things in the movie that are bad enough to make me cringe, and its Batman's lame comeback to Bane in the finale "No, I came back to stop you". Where's the trigger. And Cottiard's dropping dead acting.

EDIT; Also Blake's knowing Batman is Bruce because he recognized a look on his face. That was ridiculous.

I hoped you'd list this one.

The knee damage comes out of nowhere? As Nolan said, he hurt his leg in the fall that killed Harvey Dent. It's not like it comes completely out of left field since he's limping like crazy at the end of TDK.

He fell on top of a taxi from greater height, and moved uninjured.
After the second fall (with Harvey) he drove his bat bike for a long distance, that's not an easy task for someone with an injured knee, and I talk out of experience.