The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 7

[shauner111]

I was gonna make that joke in the JL thread. Dude's color blind and he gets more color than Snyder.

 

[DACrowe]

I actually think TWS has a tighter script than Civil War. I also think it does much better political commentary than Civil War did. The latter still has a lot of the same issues the Superhero Registration Act had in the comics. The Russos did the best possible job with it anyone could have, but it's still innately a flawed idea from the get-go.

Also as much as I hate to admit it, there is some truth to the meme that Marvel films are cheap corporate products. I find the further I get away from them, the less memorable they become. I enjoyed TWS and DOFP about equally, but I don't think think back on TWS as much as I do on DOFP. Xavier's character arc still resonates with me emotionally; with TWS I have to rewatch it everytime I want it to resonate again. Marvel's films, even when they're equally good to other films, just aren't as memorable as those other films for some reason. The only exceptions to this were Iron Man and the Netflix shows. The Avengers was memorable as an event, but not that memorable as a film.

I find the same applies to other more "auteur-esque" movies. I don't like Rises much, but it's still a very memorable film. It still resonated with me emotionally, just not in a good way. Same goes with TASM2 despite its flaws. The Peter-and-Gwen stuff, Peter-and-Harry stuff, and the ending are still more memorable to me than most of the best parts of the MCU. And then there's Logan, which I still think about almost a month later and how visceral of an experience it was.

I agree with a lot of this. Although, I would say the first Avengers resonates because of its novelty factor, which gives it a cinematic individuality. I also quite like Guardians.

But many of the Marvel Studios films I've always found highly disposable. Although, I am not sure The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is anymore memorable. Stone and Garfield on the other hand had real heat.

 

[titansupes]

Although I appreciate the MCU a whole lot as a universe, in terms of individual movies the only ones I like/love are CW, TWS and TA (the latter I flip flop on sometimes as "a great event, but not a great movie").

 

[shauner111]

For me, it's Civil War, Winter Soldier and occasionally I'll throw Guardians in there. I liked Iron Man more than Avengers but it's still forgettable popcorn to me. Guardians is pure popcorn but I felt like it was at least trying to be fresh.

I have a bad feeling about Homecoming.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I think Homecoming will be a mid-tier MCU movie.

 

[Zen Machine]

For me, it's Civil War, Winter Soldier and occasionally I'll throw Guardians in there. I liked Iron Man more than Avengers but it's still forgettable popcorn to me. Guardians is pure popcorn but I felt like it was at least trying to be fresh.

I have a bad feeling about Homecoming.

It's gonna be interest to see what they do that hasn't already been done in other SM movies. Judging just by the trailer, i don't see anything that different.

 

[Awest66]

Same goes with TASM2 despite its flaws. The Peter-and-Gwen stuff, Peter-and-Harry stuff, and the ending are still more memorable to me than most of the best parts of the MCU.

Don't agree at all.

The Peter/Gwen stuff was not only extremely syrupy, It didn't really build to any actual point or tell us anything new about those characters.

The Peter/Harry "friendship" was rushed and hollow, not helped by how badly they bungled Harry, the Osborn's and Harry's reasons for hating Spider-Man.

The death of Gwen Stacy on top of completely missing the point of the original story was undermined by that stupid ending with the Rhino.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Basically every scene he had with Morgan Freeman in all three films and half his scenes with Caine. All his scenes with Hathaway too.

Yeah, for such a "dark" trilogy, he knew how to have fun a little bit. Or at least the filmmakers sure did.

I keep thinking how perfect Bale was for Nolan's take/vision, given the fact he can emote so well and evoke so many different nuances through his performance, sometimes just through facial expressions.

Affleck's fine, he's got the look down, but I can't really connect with his performance on an emotional level - that's partly down to the movie he's been in and partly down to his range.

Although I appreciate the MCU a whole lot as a universe, in terms of individual movies the only ones I like/love are CW, TWS and TA (the latter I flip flop on sometimes as "a great event, but not a great movie").

For me it's Iron Man, Winter Soldier and The Incredible Hulk (yeah, I said it), I just loved Norton in the role. I enjoy the rest of the MCU, but not many of the movies particularly stay with you, except Avengers, Guardians and Civil War; and even the latter three stayed with me more because of the "event" nature of them instead of because of what they say. I do think that Black Panther's arch in Civil War is some of the best MCU writing we've had so far. It resonated with me on an emotional level like nothing in these movies since TIH and Iron Man.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

For me it's Iron Man, Winter Soldier and The Incredible Hulk (yeah, I said it), I just loved Norton in the role. I enjoy the rest of the MCU, but not many of the movies particularly stay with you, except Avengers, Guardians and Civil War; and even the latter three stayed with me more because of the "event" nature of them instead of because of what they say. I do think that Black Panther's arch in Civil War is some of the best MCU writing we've had so far. It resonated with me on an emotional level like nothing in these movies since TIH and Iron Man.

 

[shauner111]

Norton was so wrong for that role. Still think that movie sucks.

 

[shauner111]

Well, Spider-Man: Homecoming looks awful. Ugh. Bad jokes, same old crap, obvious green screen in those scenes with Tony. Terrible CGI not unlike the Justice League trailer (yet this one comes out in July not November). Cliche villain (poor Keaton). Too much relying on Iron Man to help and inspire Spidey.

Just terrible. Might skip in theaters, depending on word of mouth that month.

 

[Greens]

I don't think it looks TERRIBLE but it's not very exciting. They spoiled the boat sequence too.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I want to know what he said falling in the pool.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Homecoming really doesn't look interesting. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because I thought the trailer looked kind of bad?

Maybe I've just turned into a jaded basta.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

What happened to the wonderful practical suit from trailer 1? Looks like they took the CW route and clothed CGI over it. Disappointing.

 

[JackWhite]

Homecoming really doesn't look interesting. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because I thought the trailer looked kind of bad?

Maybe I've just turned into a jaded basta.

Pretty much how I feel. I didn't think it looked bad, but just not very interesting. Maybe the final product will surprise us?

 

[shauner111]

It looks awful, you're not alone Ivan.

 

[titansupes]

Yeah, I'm not too impressed at all. Fingers crossed, though.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

None of the marvel cinematic universe trailers have really wowed me and I like/love most of those movies

the BvS comic con trailer floored me and I left the theater as underwhelmed as I could possibly be.

 

[Brother Jack]

The trailer was weak. Practically spoiled the entire plot. I still think the movie could turn out well.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I do wonder if Steppenwolf will look a dried piece of LOTR-Poop hybrid.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm not impressed by plenty of things in it.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I wish they'd hurry up and release the damn IT trailer.

 

[shauner111]

I liked Spideys trailer more than Justice Leagues because of the colour. But with all due respect, I have to seriously question anyone who's going to defend that trailer over JL in the CGI, green screen department. I mean humor is subjective, I personally didn't laugh at both trailers but if you did, fine. But come on. It looks just as much like a video game. I can't get over the fake background when Stark is talking to Peter outside. Facepalm right there. That bridge scene looks awful and like every other Spidey movie where he has to hold onto two sides of....whatever...lol no imagination..

Not only that Keaton's Vulture looks and feels generic as hell.

Not saying the movie won't be good, but it's a bad trailer. And the video gamey look just turned me off right away. Especially so soon after that JL trailer.

I hope the Venom movie works so we can see something with more stakes in a Spider-Man movie. Something more vicious. Maybe some new ideas.

 

[BatLobster]

Honestly, I just find myself caring less and less about this genre with each passing day. It's really run its course, IMO. I'm not saying it should (or could) go away forever, but it needs a few years off to recharge its batteries. Problem is we all still compulsively go out and see these movies because they've become such a ubiquitous part of our pop culture, so Hollywood has no choice but to keep churning them out. I've been slowly waning myself off (still haven't seen Doctor Strange, skipped Apocalypse in theaters...recently watched the first half on HBO though- WOW is it terrible).

Logan was a nice exception to the rule, but if I'm brutally honest I really don't care much about Homecoming OR Justice League, and the trailers did nothing to change that. I totally agree with Shika that Civil War seemed better at first than it probably was, and I've had no desire to go rewatch it because like most Marvel films, it has little lasting emotional impact. I'm still rooting for Wonder Woman because the character deserves something iconic (that's probably asking for too much but we'll see). The Guardians 2 trailers didn't even do much for me, it feels like all the novelty is gone and it did nothing to sell me on the story. I really don't know if it's just me becoming a jaded old grump, or if these movies just aren't cutting the mustard anymore, but I can't ignore the overwhelming sense of MEH I feel towards all of it. It's been that way for a while, but this latest crop of trailers really have taken it to a new level to where I'm starting to consider putting my money where my mouth is and skipping all of these movies.