The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 8

[I Am The Knight]

Even in WW they had to sneak Batman in somehow with those Wayne trucks and Diana getting a Bat-email at the end (she loves emails).

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Despite its shortcomings, it's very similar to Guardians: its heart is huge, and that heart trumps any technical flaws the films might have for me.

So out of 10, what's your score for Wonder Woman?

 

[Greens]

Pretty good video on The Dark Knight

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I particularly like the point about how because Joker announces most of his deeds, the ANTICIPATION for those things to occur dominates the movie. It's the anticipation and growing distrust toward the government and our fellow man that is scarier than the terrorist act itself. The movie also doesn't pretend to have a solution to the terror that Joker represents. It's simply an issue that we must try to cope with and there will be blood, literally and figuratively, along the way.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Screenrant is trolling.

15 Reasons Jared Leto’s Joker Is The BEST Version

LOL at twitter reactions - https://***********/screenrant/status/879188005499613184.

 

[Shikamaru]

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Great video I found in the Civil War thread on the Marvel movies. I encourage everyone to watch this video. It articulates perfectly what bothered some of us about them for a while now.

 

[Greens]

Great video.

I do have one comment about the "cheesy"criticisms. I think that joke in GotG about them all standing up like a bunch of jackasses worked because without it, it would have been a pretty generic scene.

The emotional scenes in WW didn't need jokes because they were great on their own. The scene with Bruce and Alfred in TDKR is extremely emotional because of the script and the performances. I guess the answer is to write scenes that don't NEED saving by a joke. That Doctor Strange scene would have been fine on its own without the quip.

 

[shauner111]

I think that's his point though. Will it a little quip at the end, it's a generic scene. Their quips usually have to make a scene work better because without it, they're nothing special. I enjoyed Guardians 2 but I get what's he's saying.

 

[Shikamaru]

He also mentioned Guardians is an exception to what he's talking about because it's part comedy and more intended.

 

[BatLobster]

Thank you for sharing that Shika. That video is so ridiculously spot on and articulates everything I've been feeling about Marvel films for the past 5 years. Wonder Woman is a stark reminder that it's entirely possible to have plenty of humor and charm in your superhero film without undercutting the moments that are meant to be dramatic. He's exactly right, the Marvel formula is conducive to shying away from true emotional sincerity (with exceptions, of course). I enjoyed Guardians 2 too, despite the pacing issues.

 

[JackWhite]

Sooooo, how about those comments from Matt Reeves about a potentially noir-driven, POV based Bat-film? Sounds like we could be in store for something special if Reeves has total control like Nolan did with his films.

The only thing is I'm not sure Affleck will be able to truly pull off the inner
emotionality that Reeves alludes to. But dammit, does this sound intriguing as hell.

 

[BatLobster]

Sounds like an interesting take, kind of what I expected The Batman to be even when Affleck was supposed to be directing it. It will be interesting to see how Reeves is able to balance that with the requisite action set-pieces.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I didn't check the comments, but the idea feels interesting.

 

[Kreem Pi]

That sounds rather awesome. Bring it. Reeves is on a creative high right now. Strike while the iron is hot.

 

[shauner111]

Kreem Pi lmfao. Dude that name is the best.

 

[Kreem Pi]

What does he mean by "POV"? Obviously it won't be a first person perspective movie. That would be ridiculous. But I would love a small scale, glorified TV episode (with movie level production, of course), detective narrative.

 

[shauner111]

I hope and think he just means narrated by Bruce and more one on one time with the character. Getting into his thought process a little more. More alone, detective time. Think Taxi Driver or Drive or even Nightcrawler but with Batman.

Speaking of Dan Gilroy, imagine him directing a smaller scale batman movie in the future?

 

[titansupes]

He just means he wants it to be very focused on his mind and viewing the story from his perspective, where as a lot of the previous movies pull back and look at the surrounding world and other characters. More of a subjective view than objective.

 

[DoomRulz]

Hey question. I recently read the trade Batman: Under The Red Hood and there's a few pages where Batman meets with Green Arrow and after questioning how GA came back to life, Batman says to him (after a somewhat heated exchange), "I'm tired of sparring with you".

What does he mean by that? Sorry if it's a n00b question but I'm only familiar with DC books as far as Rebirth goes.

 

[The Batman]

Around that time period, DC had an event called "Identity Crisis", where among other shock value storylines, members of the Justice League agreed to erase some of Batman's memories to conceal the fact that they were erasing the memories of Supervillains.

Naturally Batman, being who he is, managed to remember all this. It was DC's way of explaining why Batman had become a paranoid dick, keeping files on his teammates and designing things to hurt them, should they go rogue.

Anyway, Green Arrow was part of the group that decided to mindwipe Batman, hence the more tense relationship. It's also why Batman sends a few verbal jabs at Zatanna too, as she was the one doing all the mindwiping.

 

[DoomRulz]

Around that time period, DC had an event called "Identity Crisis", where among other shock value storylines, members of the Justice League agreed to erase some of Batman's memories to conceal the fact that they were erasing the memories of Supervillains.

Naturally Batman, being who he is, managed to remember all this. It was DC's way of explaining why Batman had become a paranoid dick, keeping files on his teammates and designing things to hurt them, should they go rogue.

Anyway, Green Arrow was part of the group that decided to mindwipe Batman, hence the more tense relationship. It's also why Batman sends a few verbal jabs at Zatanna too, as she was the one doing all the mindwiping.

Thanks! My first assumption was that Oliver was being defensive because he's jealous of Batman in general but this makes more sense.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I forgot that dull crisis. Brad Meltzer sucked as a DC comics writer.

 

[shauner111]

Saw Wonder Woman again. This time i was really rolling my eyes at the villains. And yes, the slow motion could have been cut a bit. I wonder if they had better villains that weren't hamming it up like a 90's CBM, could this movie have been TDK Trilogy level? Still an enjoyable movie, powerful ending, chemistry that oozes off the screen, good score. Can't take that away from the movie. But i can see this movie being overrated throughout the years. It is not a great movie, it's a solid fun movie that will help the industry and the talent inside, as well as the DCEU...unless Justice League or something screws it all up again.

 

[JackWhite]

I can definitely see it being overrated for the next little while. Especially with all of this hyper-feminist nonsense going on these days.

I'm still on the fence with if I should buy it when it comes out on Blu Ray or not.

 

[The Joker]

It's the fact that the DCEU finally turned out a good movie that is causing it to be overrated. It's like Christmas to have a good DCEU movie at last.

 

[Shikamaru]

Wonder Woman is a lot like the Guardians films. The scripts aren't as polished as, say TDKT or even the Russos', but very few CBMs have the heart they do. And I mean very few.