The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 8

[The Joker]

It already does have more repeat value for me.

 

[BatLobster]

I've only seen each once, but so far I give Wonder Woman the edge.

Homecoming was great, and I know the point was to keep it smaller-scale, but it just didn't have that "holy sh** goosebumps flooding my body" moment, which WW delivered on so beautifully. Wonder Woman reminded me of what the superhero genre can do at its best and purest. Homecoming was more of a youthful, charming romp, and obviously had a much better villain and a better 3rd act. It's very close, but I'm still giving Wonder Woman the edge. I think it had a bit more heart overall.

I'm also at the point where I've pretty much had my fill of Tony Stark.

 

[Kane52630]

I'm gonna try to see Homecoming again for a 3rd time this weekend.

 

[shauner111]

I honestly didn't get goosebumps in Wonder Woman. It's a fine, enjoyable movie just like Homecoming with its flaws. But Spidey has better humor and a better villain so it wins for me. The amount of exposition in Wonder Woman's first act is enough to fast forward. It really is going to be the most overrated blockbuster of the entire decade. People will accept its flaws more than any other film just because it may do wonders for female filmmakers and actresses AND because of box-office. Are people judging the film or its legacy that it will leave behind for the business?

Speaking of overrated but very enjoyable, I saw Baby Driver the other night. Entertaining but nowhere near as original as people were saying. Didn't like the ending, "Baby" as a lead was just OK and the soundtrack didn't hit me as much as I wanted it to. But the supporting cast are great, sound design and editing is very impressive. But I'd give it a 3.5/5.

 

[BatLobster]

Man, to me the No Man's Land sequence really worked like gangbusters. That's the one spot where I actually had goosebumps, but it stood out to me.

I think it's pretty close in terms of humor. Wonder Woman had Pine and very character-driven humor that worked quite well without every making the film a comedy...which Homecoming basically was. Keaton as Toomes is the probably one of the best CBM villains in a while, so like I said I can see giving Spidey the edge for that aspect.

I can't speak for everyone on why they're praising WW, I'm sure that's a factor for some people, but for me- it resonated with me on the basis of being superhero movie that felt like there were real stakes, that was unafraid to be earnest while still having heart. To me it delivered on something I've really been missing from the genre post-Nolan. And the fact that there was a female hero at the center just gave it an inherently different feel, because she was an inherently more tender, compassionate, (obviously) feminine figure than we've normally seen embody our heroes. For me that made it fresh. I'd feel exactly the same if a man had directed the film.

Most overrated film of the decade? Not even close. That would be The Avengers.

 

[shauner111]

Avengers, yeah, forgot about that one lol.

 

[Kreem Pi]

Who else is excited for Dunkirk?

 

[Shikamaru]

Maybe it's because I'm more of a Spidey fan, but I did get goosebumps from Homecoming. All the Holland/Keaton interactions and when [BLACKOUT]Peter broke down like a child[/BLACKOUT] in particular hit me in all the feels. I wasn't expecting something that tense going in.

 

[BatLobster]

That was a very good moment, but kind of in the opposite way because it was a stripped down and human moment. I don't mean to take anything away from Homecoming, but when it comes to Spidey my heart is still very much with the first two Raimi films, cheese and all. For me the new movie is more for the next generation of Spidey fans, which is totally cool and as it should be. I think it's because of the coming of age nature of the character's story that I'm always going to be most attached to the movies that I loved in my teens. I liked Spider-Man as a kid and I still like him now, but those years were the absolute peak of my Spidey fandom, if that makes sense.

The No Man's Land moment just felt so big and bold, and for me the fact that it hit me like that despite honestly never being a huge Wonder Woman fan...to me that was a testament to the filmmaking.

Who else is excited for Dunkirk?

I know someone who is!

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[Ryan]

Finally saw Wonder Woman. Best I can say is that I have no complaints. Reminds me of most Marvel films lately in that sense. I didn't see anything wrong with the film but were there any stand out scenes that I'd go back and watch over and over again like from the Nolan Trilogy? I'm hoping to see Spidey this weekend. My hopes are high for this one.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Most overrated film of the decade? Not even close. That would be The Avengers.

I'm not sure I watched that movie more than twice.

 

[Shikamaru]

That was a very good moment, but kind of in the opposite way because it was a stripped down and human moment. I don't mean to take anything away from Homecoming, but when it comes to Spidey my heart is still very much with the first two Raimi films, cheese and all. For me the new movie is more for the next generation of Spidey fans, which is totally cool and as it should be. I think it's because of the coming of age nature of the character's story that I'm always going to be most attached to the movies that I loved in my teens. I liked Spider-Man as a kid and I still like him now, but those years were the absolute peak of my Spidey fandom, if that makes sense.

The No Man's Land moment just felt so big and bold, and for me the fact that it hit me like that despite honestly never being a huge Wonder Woman fan...to me that was a testament to the filmmaking.



I know someone who is!

That's fair. In my case, Spider-Man and Batman are the two superheroes I'll probably always wanna see new versions of. It's probably because of how much they influenced me on a personal level; there's Spidey and Bats, then there's everyone else. Even if those characters go the way of Doc Savage and The Shadow, my mind will probably still search for similar archetypes out there somewhere.

The interesting thing for me is that I still haven't gotten my dream coming-of-age series far as Spider-Man goes. I love high school Spidey, but it wouldn't love him half as much if he never grew up. I'm still waiting up for a streamlined continuity that grows him from childhood to full adulthood. I mean the 616 comics did it prior to OMD, but it's been full of retcons, different writers, etc. - I'm talking about seeing it with a clear beginning, middle and end.

Unfortunately every opportunity of that so far went south. Bendis had a chance with the conception of Ultimate, but he infamously always wanted to keep Peter in high school. Raimi's franchise followed a more Donner-esque structure for Peter due to the way film studios operated in the early 2000s. Weisman and Webb both tried it, but their series were cancelled prematurely. The recent cartoon blowed so who cares ? And even if it didn't, it would've never happened due to Quesada.

I'm hoping I'll finally get that now. Until I don't, there will be that itch I need scratched for me. After which I'd be ready to move on from Peter Parker and do a next-gen series like Miles Morales orcSpider-Girl. That's personally what I would do if I had free reign with the character.

 

[BatLobster]

Oh yeah, I definitely think the MCU version is set up to be the "Harry Potter" version of the franchise. Tom Holland will most likely be playing Spidey for the next 10 years. That definitely has a lot of potential.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the stage where he stops saying "Awesome!" to everything. I get that they wanted to emphasize his wide-eyed youth, but to me they overdid that both in Civil War and this movie. It's not even that I have a problem with that, but Jesus find some other exclamations for him to use...he's encroaching on Ninja Turtle territory there.

 

[Greens]

Spidey's quips have never worked for me in live-action. Maybe some exceptions.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Same things for me.

And Greens; that guy's victim had rights.

 

[Shikamaru]

Wait, was Peter saying "awesome" every 15 seconds a thing? That was one of my biggest complaints with the trailers.

I thought he was a bit cringeworthy in those vlogs, and he's got a few moments in the first act where he says it, but after that I didn't pick up on it. This is one of the films I felt had a weak and generic first act but a solid second and third acts. Still, if others picked up on it, it might have been more present than I realized. Planning a second viewing soon anyway.

 

[shauner111]

Loved the first act and those vlogs were perfect when it comes to his age, the age we're living in, and how Peter acts as a character. Those scenes got huge laughs in the theater.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Whenever someone says vlog, I think of it being shared on the internet. If this Spidey shared his adventures on the internet then that's not how you keep your identity a secret.

 

[shauner111]

Let's make a bet that in one of the sequels, a villain gets a hold of those videos and threatens Spidey to leak them lol.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Uuuggghhhhh, no.

 

[DoomRulz]

I know someone who is!

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Won't lie, this is my main motivation for seeing it aha. I love it when those two work together.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Wait, was Peter saying "awesome" every 15 seconds a thing? That was one of my biggest complaints with the trailers.

I thought he was a bit cringeworthy in those vlogs, and he's got a few moments in the first act where he says it, but after that I didn't pick up on it. This is one of the films I felt had a weak and generic first act but a solid second and third acts. Still, if others picked up on it, it might have been more present than I realized. Planning a second viewing soon anyway.

Yes be says awesome to a lot of things, like Droney.

 

[Kreem Pi]

Looks like Nolan is back on top critical form.

 

[BatLobster]

Although I tend to not overly trust critics one way or the other when it comes to Nolan films (seeing as The Prestige and Interstellar are his lowest-rated on RT), I'm happy for him. Hope I feel the same when I see it. The hype just got real!

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Adding my two cents on this.

Finally saw Spider-man: Homecoming last night:

While I'm sure it will work great as a Spider-Man for a new generation, certainly for kids and teenagers, it just didn't do all that much for me. I'll follow the BATMAN character anywhere, but I've realised that just isn't the case with SPIDER-MAN. I honestly didn't feel that much excitement when watching this. I can appreciate it as a well put together movie, but that's pretty much it.

It still doesn't come close to the Raimi series for me or made me feel as elated as I did watching the final swing during SPIDER-MAN (2002). This blows the AMAZING series out of the water, but simply didn't touch the original trilogy.

HOMECOMING was merely a decent movie, but nothing special (outside of Keaton). Holland deserves a stronger script as well.