The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 9

[shauner111]

Not seeing every day citizens in their houses, made it more..eerie. It was like a ghost city at times. I'd rather use my imagination than be shown a bunch of scenes with Nolan's classic bad extras trying to act as if they're struggling and horrified. Let's not pretend that wouldn't have happened lol.

Bane's monologue/montage showed enough with Selina and Holly (I refuse to call her Jen) + ppl going after the wealthy. If it was R rated, I would have liked to have seen more of that. But it's a PG series and I got the message. Extended cut would be cool but it's not like I felt **** was missing.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

That's true, fair point. If only I remembered a thing about the movie.

But I think scope in terms of time and scale of the story matter too. Seeing a major American city brought to its knees and living under a warlord for a period of months lends a grander sense of scope and epic scale to the movie, IMO. It's not just about the number of locations you see, otherwise by that logic every single Bond film is equal to Lawrence of Arabia in terms of 'epic-ness'.

I am not saying TDKR doesn't have a big scale. But not as big as a movie that has a mid air evacuation of a flying city coming back down to Earth. Think about the helicarriers outside of the edges of the city. Iron Man going under the city and all the Avengers at various parts of the city trying to destroy the Ultron bots. It's a pretty huge movie.

 

[BatLobster]

That's true. I will give Whedon credit for making AoU a lot bigger in scale than the first one and going all out with the action. Obviously, my experience with seeing TDKR in IMAX and just how grand the cinematography and overall presentation of Nolan's films are plays a part in my perception of scope/scale too...but you make a fair point.

In other news...o hai Flynn plea deal.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I would love for it to reach all the way to Trump. But I'm not convinced it will. And even if it does the republicans will prove they are party before country.

 

[BatLobster]

All I know is you don't flip Flynn and give him a plea deal if you're not going after someone higher up the food chain (which literally narrows it down to one person), and you the way plea deals work is Mueller would've had to be assured before any agreements were made that Flynn had something substantial he'd be able to give him that would significantly help the case.

 

[Ryan]

Ultron (the villain) is one of the most disappointing movie villains I have ever seen. He had bags of potential, and I thought Joss Whedon would make him truly awesome. But instead we got a jokester Ultron, who never felt menacing.

Completely agree with this! I remember thinking how threatening Ultron seemed in the comics. They really bungled an otherwise great villain and for that reason alone the film was a flop for me. I still have a lot of issues with TDKR but Hardy's Bane was the high point of that film for me.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

just realized, in the IW trailer you don't see Widow, Cap, and Thor in their iconic gear. Yet nobody cares. Everyone knows exactly who they are. In the last shot bearded Chris Evans without the star or shield is running, yet we know who he is. This is a testament to how well Marvel has handled characterization. The actors are the characters.

 

[shauner111]

Agreed.

 

[Brother Jack]

Spoiler

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Music is Zimmer's The Thin Red Line.

 

[shauner111]

Nice. Gotta love Zimmer. That theme was used for the Man of Steel comic con trailer. Back when the movie looked like it was going to be insanely good.

This is still the greatest TDKT tribute of all time. The most well crafted and emotional one of them all. By the dude who created those Batman Complex trailers. I posted it a year or two ago but it needs to be shared again, to remind us of a time of quality Batman...

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[titansupes]

^ Says SME has blocked it in my country, but I'm willing to bet I've already got it saved on my laptop since I saved like four or five excellent ones a few years ago.

 

[BatLobster]

Jesus Christ, the last 5 minutes are like sustained goosebumps. I forgot how good that video was. Agree, it's the best one.

 

[The Joker]

Chris Nolan says his Batman movies had a very rare luxury a lot of big studio franchises don't have....time; http://comicbook.com/dc/2017/12/01/the-dark-knight-trilogy-christopher-nolan-luxury-time/

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I saw Daredevil again, and I still like the movie, but I think this has some similarities to BvS, except that Bullseye's quirkiness actually entertains me.

^ Says SME has blocked it in my country, but I'm willing to bet I've already got it saved on my laptop since I saved like four or five excellent ones a few years ago.

I wish I knew of it so I could save it myself.

 

[DoomRulz]

Ultron (the villain) is one of the most disappointing movie villains I have ever seen. He had bags of potential, and I thought Joss Whedon would make him truly awesome. But instead we got a jokester Ultron, who never felt menacing.

Am I the only one who liked Spader's Ultron? I think he wasn't given enough to do. He was great as a character and I'd like to see him return somehow.

 

[shauner111]

He was silly, that's about it. This whole "let's get an actor to voice a machine or alien and it's going to be done in CGI!" is a good way to get me checked out before the movie even starts.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Am I the only one who liked Spader's Ultron? I think he wasn't given enough to do. He was great as a character and I'd like to see him return somehow.

I really enjoyed him, and I hate the idea of sentient robots trying to kill humans.

 

[BatLobster]

Chris Nolan says his Batman movies had a very rare luxury a lot of big studio franchises don't have....time; http://comicbook.com/dc/2017/12/01/the-dark-knight-trilogy-christopher-nolan-luxury-time/

He's not wrong. We as fans benefit from this in one way because we're getting so many movies per year of these franchises, but there is definitely something to be said for a creator being given time to grow as an artist and live and breathe with the property that they're working on over a period of time. I think the TDKT films are richer for that.

 

[shauner111]

Quality over quantity. That's why most of these films released every year won't stand the test of time. They're nice for now. But in 10 years they won't be remembered as much.

 

[Awest66]

Just saw Justice League a few hours ago.

I agree with the majority on how messy it is but overall, I had an enjoyable enough time.

 

[DACrowe]

I am not saying TDKR doesn't have a big scale. But not as big as a movie that has a mid air evacuation of a flying city coming back down to Earth. Think about the helicarriers outside of the edges of the city. Iron Man going under the city and all the Avengers at various parts of the city trying to destroy the Ultron bots. It's a pretty huge movie.

Eh, in terms of scope, yes there is more of a spectacle grandeur to AOU, and technically the stakes are supposedly bigger (the fate of the world). But in terms of storytelling, Rises felt bigger because there was more emphasis on the weight of Gotham's sins on Bruce's soul and conscious. And the emphasis on real locations shot with mostly real extras on IMAX made it seem bigger than a lot of CGI. Just my two cents on this debate.

 

[titansupes]

^ I concur.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Eh, in terms of scope, yes there is more of a spectacle grandeur to AOU, and technically the stakes are supposedly bigger (the fate of the world). But in terms of storytelling, Rises felt bigger because there was more emphasis on the weight of Gotham's sins on Bruce's soul and conscious. And the emphasis on real locations shot with mostly real extras on IMAX made it seem bigger than a lot of CGI. Just my two cents on this debate.

I thought Nolan handicapped the scale by not having Gotham's citizens as a character here. TDK featured Gotham citizenry quite explicitly, lending it a greater sense of realism and scale. If anything, TDKR deserved to have even more of these scenes. The only time we see them is at the end when they come out of their homes, cowering like idiots.

 

[shauner111]

Still more realistic than having extras who can't act.

 

[Kane52630]