BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - - Part 13

[Gee]

This looks like a big mess. A proper supes sequel would've been much better. Not it's like a batman and robin turd sandwich. Schumacher will finally be able to come out from under that rock. Mamoa probably be supergirl. If Affleck is batman, anything is possible.

 

[roach]

Every speculation topic does matter!!!

No not really. We don't know who is on the short list to direct a solo WW movie…and as was mentioned Sofia Coppola is all wrong for this movie.

 

[kguillou]

Why would they steal attention from Superman??? I don't understand this complaint. Did Cap and Thor and Hulk and BW steal attention from Iron Man in Avengers??? Using Star Wars as an example with Superman as Luke, Batman as Han and WW as Leia this movie is doable and not crammed as everyone is complaining about.

You hit the nail on the head with your last paragraph. The problem isn't with WB. The problem is with people's perceptions. They thought this movie was 'this' and now that we find out it's not people think they are making this up as they go. We were told constantly that MOS was going to be the start of the DCCU and now that they are trying to expand this people are complaining?

I agree with you, but I will say the two examples you gave, Star Wars and Avengers, are both ensemble movies and were always intended as such. They told us we're getting Man of Steel 2, so naturally people assume that this is Superman's sequel like Spiderman 2, like Ironman 2, like the Dark Knight etc etc. If this is intended to be a DC Universe ensemble pic, fine! Cool! I'm completely down for that but just say so! Don't confuse people when Batman, WW, Flash and Nightwing are cast and still say "Yep, don't worry guys, this is still Supe's movie!".

 

[roach]

I agree with you, but I will say the two examples you gave, Star Wars and Avengers, are both ensemble movies and were always intended as such. They told us we're getting Man of Steel 2, so naturally people assume that this is Superman's sequel like Spiderman 2, like Ironman 2, like the Dark Knight etc etc. If this is intended to be a DC Universe ensemble pic, fine! Cool, I'm completely down for that but just say so! Don't confuse people when Batman, WW, Flash and Nightwing are cast and still say "Yep, don't worry guys, this is still Supe's movie!".

So by having Batman and WW in this film it doesn't make it a MOS sequel???

is this no longer a Superman comic and now a Justice League comic?

 

[TheBat812]

That is one rapey cover...

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Yeah, look at how Superman and Flash are positioned. That looks so wrong.

 

[roach]

The point I am trying to make is that we don't know anything about this film. So to complain that a character was announced in a movie that we don't even know the name of seems to be silly.
The addition of WW, Flash, NW, Batgirl, Superboy, Teen Titans, New Gods, Young Justice, Outsiders, JSA, The Wildstorm characters, The Avengers, The characters from the Hobbit, the robots from Pacific Rim….and any other odd assortment of characters you can throw at this movie….would still not make this movie any less a Superman sequel.

 

[roach]

a less rapey cover…still a Superman comic.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

The point I am trying to make is that we don't know anything about this film. So to complain that a character was announced in a movie that we don't even know the name of seems to be silly.
The addition of WW, Flash, NW, Batgirl, Superboy, Teen Titans, New Gods, Young Justice, Outsiders, JSA, The Wildstorm characters, The Avengers, The characters from the Hobbit, the robots from Pacific Rim….and any other odd assortment of characters you can throw at this movie….would still not make this movie any less a Superman sequel.

So you don't think the cover looks rapey?

 

[roach]

So you don't think the cover looks rapey?

it does…sorry my mind doesn't go to those places

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

I guess This movie will probably have similar theme like Watchmen .

 

[TheBat812]

I think either way it's people getting bogged down with labeling and semantics. Facts are the story continues that of mos and it definitely includes superman as one of the leads. That's all I need to classify it as a superman sequel. But I'm just as much of a batman fan as superman so I'm not as wary of superman getting less screentime than before.

 

[kguillou]

The point I am trying to make is that we don't know anything about this film. So to complain that a character was announced in a movie that we don't even know the name of seems to be silly.
The addition of WW, Flash, NW, Batgirl, Superboy, Teen Titans, New Gods, Young Justice, Outsiders, JSA, The Wildstorm characters, The Avengers, The characters from the Hobbit, the robots from Pacific Rim….and any other odd assortment of characters you can throw at this movie….would still not make this movie any less a Superman sequel.

Believe me, I understand what your saying and I agree to an extent, I'm just trying to shed some light as to why people are freaking out a bit. Warner Bros. is taking a very...unorthodox approach to how their building their DC universe. Like I said, i think there's a big disconnect between what we think this movie is supposed to be and what WB wants this movie to be and thats the issue here. If WB said "This is a DC team up movie" people would not be questioning these character additions one bit, its the fact that its being labeled as Superman's next solo film is why people are like "what kind of movie is this exactly?"

Also, I think movies like X3, Spiderman 3, Blade 3 and Ironman 2 got people a little worried about sequels that are juggling multiple characters and plots.

 

[Broseph44]

I was looking forward to a MoS sequel now this just looks like Justice League and a movie that has too many characters. And it does look like they are making this stuff up as they go along. I blame Avengers; if that movie hadn't been such a blockbuster than WB wouldn't feel the need to play so much catch up with them.

This looks like a big mess. A proper supes sequel would've been much better. Not it's like a batman and robin turd sandwich. Schumacher will finally be able to come out from under that rock. Mamoa probably be supergirl. If Affleck is batman, anything is possible.

Posts like these are getting extremely old and tiring, very overplayed. Just stop. I guess it's the cool thing to post now.

 

[The Shape]

Posts like these are getting extremely old and tiring, very overplayed. Just stop. I guess it's the cool thing to post now.

We'll eventually run out of facepalm gifs for posts like these.

 

[roach]

Believe me, I understand what your saying and I agree to an extent, I'm just trying to shed some light as to why people are freaking out a bit. Warner Bros. is taking a very...unorthodox approach to how their building their DC universe. Like I said, i think there's a big disconnect between what we think this movie is supposed to be and what WB wants this movie to be and thats the issue here. If WB said "This is a DC team up movie" people would not be questioning these character additions one bit, its the fact that its being labeled as Superman's next solo film is why people are like "what kind of movie is this exactly?"

Because when people hear that there will be more than one character in a movie they instantly think of Spider-man 3 and Iron Man 2….people forget that we've had more successful movies with more than one hero than failures.

 

[Broseph44]

We'll eventually run out of facepalm gifs for posts like these.

Pretty much haha.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It has been obvious for months that this was not going to be a traditional sequel. I would have liked a traditional sequel but I'm not getting one so I moved on and decided to give this film, whatever it is, a shot. All this crying about a traditional sequel at this point is obnoxious. Either you take or leave the film that we are getting.

Again we all have concerns but the traditional sequel ship has ****ing sailed a long time ago and it ain't coming back. Maybe I'll hate this upcoming film and maybe I won't but I'm giving it a shot because I dug Man of Steel and like our new Superman.

 

[kguillou]

Because when people hear that there will be more than one character in a movie they instantly think of Spider-man 3 and Iron Man 2….people forget that we've had more successful movies with more than one hero than failures.

Your right, The Avengers was the ultimate proof that an ensemble movie can work very well. BUT, let's not forget the fans were burned BADLY by Spiderman 3. That was easily one of the most highly anticipated movies ever and it crashed an burned because it was just juggling too much crap all at once (Gwen stacy, the Symbiote, sandman, Harry Osborn's arc, Venom) there was no focus. So, I think that movie left a permanent stain on the superhero movie genre.

 

[TheBat812]

There seems to be a perception that we were led to believe we'd get mos2 as a sequel, but as I recall they just mentioned a sequel to MOS, saying nothing about what would be involved. People assumed wed get a strict sequel based on past trends but as roach said it's simply people's assumptions and expectations that were geared towards something specific , nobody made any promises as to what direction they were heading. And given the complaints about the lack of a cohesive dccu you'd think fans would be stoked. Although to be fair it seems most fans are, it's a select vocal minority who had their hearts set on something else.

 

[Hurm...]

It's not that I think they cannot balance all of these spinning plates (characters), it's that I don't have faith in the creative team to be able to perform that trick. It is probably because I thought Man of Steel was terrible. Snyder's Watchmen is probably his finest work, but still, I do not think he did a great job of creating strong character arcs that flawlessly weave into the main plot. I don't think they can pull it off, but I'd gladly say "I was wrong" if they do in 2015.

Also, just a side-note (not sure if it's relevant or not), I'm not a comic-book reader so I'm just interested in the movie to see how they plan on balancing these storylines. I'm not interested in an expanded, unified DC Film Universe, I just want an entertaining, structured film - with or without these additional superheroes.

So, from my point of view, this film looks like it's sole intention is to expand the universe regardless of whether the characters have genuine purpose other than "rushing" them to a Justice League film. It's evident from the title alone "Batman vs. Superman" that this film exists solely to rake in money on both brands. Additionally, it's release is in 2015, but Man of Steel was just released this year. It seems clear to me that WB wants to capitalize on the Avengers success as quickly as possible.

NEVERTHELESS, this does not mean Batman V Superman will be a poor film. WB may be able to have their cake and eat it too. But, in my opinion, I do not think Snyder and the creative team, judging from past work, can balance these various plots - especially under the pressure of WB's 2015 release.

 

[kguillou]

It's not only that. The way Man of Steel left things, Superman didn't seem.... established yet. He was getting there but wasnt quite there yet. So, I think people were really hoping we'd get one solo movie were Supes can really cement himself and get his world (the Daily Planet, his relationship with Lois, Lex Luthor) fully established before we bring in the DC big guns. It just doesn't feel....earned yet, like there's no build up to the main event. I mean imagine if we had just jumped from Ironman 1 to Avengers, Avengers would have felt like a really weird movie.

 

[DigificWriter]

You can fully establish Superman in a movie that also features Batman, Wonder Woman, and other characters. You don't have to give him a 'solo sequel' in order to do that.

 

[Pickleweasel]

Believe me, I understand what your saying and I agree to an extent, I'm just trying to shed some light as to why people are freaking out a bit. Warner Bros. is taking a very...unorthodox approach to how their building their DC universe. Like I said, i think there's a big disconnect between what we think this movie is supposed to be and what WB wants this movie to be and thats the issue here. If WB said "This is a DC team up movie" people would not be questioning these character additions one bit, its the fact that its being labeled as Superman's next solo film is why people are like "what kind of movie is this exactly?"

Also, I think movies like X3, Spiderman 3, Blade 3 and Ironman 2 got people a little worried about sequels that are juggling multiple characters and plots.

Its never been labeled as superman's next solo film

It has always simply been a sequel to MOS