BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - Part 25

[Jekecy]

I dunno, it's not like we couldn't tell Keaton, Conroy, or Bale were all actively altering their voices. I still enjoy all of their performances quite a bit. I just don't get how you can not think about the voice being an alteration when the character literally changes his voice whenever he puts the cowl on.

It's about blurring the line of transition, so you forget you're watching a performance. We do this all the time for some of our favorite actors, do we not? The actor is so good within the moment, you're just rolling with the scene as it goes on? Completely disregarding this is a fictional role, in a fictional setting, in a fictional story? Surely you're familiar with it.

If we're to take Bale, a good example is his dual roles in American Psycho. No matter which persona he put on, you were attached to it within seconds. With his Batman, for me, I could never vibe with such an overt performance. It never felt natural and as such I didn't have the chance to just take the scene for what it was. Admittedly that's likely the root for why I'm so hard on him in that particular role. I love him in everything else.

That's the balance Ben will have to strike to succeed. There were hints of it with his part in Gone Girl, but he'll have to dial it up a notch with Batman/Bruce. Ideally I'd have it so we're not truly certain which persona is his true one, because he's so adept at both. It would be fitting for someone who's been doing this awhile.

 

[Micromind]

Ledger changed his voice for Joker, that didn't stop me from enjoying his performance.

 

[steve4991]

Don't know if anyone else said this, but I'm pretty confident in my theory on Bens voice. It won't change when the cowl is on. His entire role, as Bruce and as Batman, will contain a very deep, mature, and almost narrative voice that you won't believe is Ben's. He won't look like he's trying either. Something similiar to DKR. He had some voice coaching in this process. We will be surprised, and definitely not disappointed. It hasn't been done before, but it will - come 2016.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

 

[KillerWolf]

My gosh. Take a coffee. Do You drink pure alcohol? there are many type of alcoholic drinks (whisky, tequila, cognac, beer, etc... ya know)

Very interesting coincidence... you basically just answered your question with only one miss.

But it's a new day and I'm not even hungover, so lets leave this thing in the past, huh?

 

[Boy Scout]

Because if you can see the acting, then it isn't much of a good performance.

But that's exactly the point. It's an act. One of Batman's many objectives is to convince the world that Bruce Wayne and Batman are two different people, and putting on a different voice when dressed as the latter is essential. If it sounds like he's making an effort to hide his real voice (which almost every incarnation of the character has done, to whatever degree), then he's doing his job right. Making an effort and straining himself, however, are two different things, and I don't think that being aware of that effort will ruin his performance for me (unless he sucks at it).

 

[hafizbat]

I'd actually prefer it the other way around, that the voice he uses in the suit is his real voice, letting through his inner soul, while the higher-pitched, billionaire playboy voice is the act.

 

[Travesty]

I hope he sucks down some helium before he talks.

 

[Jekecy]

I'd actually prefer it the other way around, that the voice he uses in the suit is his real voice, letting through his inner soul, while the higher-pitched, billionaire playboy voice is the act.

Bingo. It's important as he'll need to be conversing with the likes of his close supporting cast. Especially with Gordon or Alfred; I'd like to believe in spite of the costume, their conversations are a genuine exchange between two human beings with no "fronts".

 

[-Kal-Elle-]

I'd actually prefer it the other way around, that the voice he uses in the suit is his real voice, letting through his inner soul, while the higher-pitched, billionaire playboy voice is the act.

Yes!! Omg now you've said this I think it's actually how they will do it. I feel like they're really striving to be as separate from any other previous portrayal of Batman so why not?

 

[shauner111]

The problem i have with Conroy is he acts like his 2 voices are such a huge distinction. It's not. His Batman voice was never a huge difference from his Bruce Wayne. Only slightly. He naturally has a deep voice, and his Bat-voice was just less happy sounding with how he pronounces his words. It's still a pretty normal voice, just a lot of bass because like i said, his voice is deep. I would still be able to identify Batman as Bruce Wayne after one encounter with him, if he had words with me.

Affleck has a higher voice naturally. So he will have to strain a growl, or do a low whisper in order to create his own Bat-voice. Which is what most actors have to do when they play Batman. Kevin is a different case.

It's about blurring the line of transition, so you forget you're watching a performance. We do this all the time for some of our favorite actors, do we not? The actor is so good within the moment, you're just rolling with the scene as it goes on? Completely disregarding this is a fictional role, in a fictional setting, in a fictional story? Surely you're familiar with it.

If we're to take Bale, a good example is his dual roles in American Psycho. No matter which persona he put on, you were attached to it within seconds. With his Batman, for me, I could never vibe with such an overt performance. It never felt natural and as such I didn't have the chance to just take the scene for what it was. Admittedly that's likely the root for why I'm so hard on him in that particular role. I love him in everything else.

That's the balance Ben will have to strike to succeed. There were hints of it with his part in Gone Girl, but he'll have to dial it up a notch with Batman/Bruce. Ideally I'd have it so we're not truly certain which persona is his true one, because he's so adept at both. It would be fitting for someone who's been doing this awhile.

Batman is a performance. It's theatricality. It's a "put-on" in terms of voice because you can't let anyone know you're Bruce Wayne because of how popular he is in Gotham, and it's also a way to become an animal in order to frighten criminals and let out inner rage. Bale, Keaton, Affleck, all will have some sort of growl. A slight growl or a louder growl...the levels don't matter. It's all correct for the character. The only thing that isn't, is you're speaking in a normal voice within the cowl. The only exception to that is if your voice is extremely deep as it is, and you can try to lighten it up for the regular Bruce Wayne voice.

Don't know if anyone else said this, but I'm pretty confident in my theory on Bens voice. It won't change when the cowl is on. His entire role, as Bruce and as Batman, will contain a very deep, mature, and almost narrative voice that you won't believe is Ben's. He won't look like he's trying either. Something similiar to DKR. He had some voice coaching in this process. We will be surprised, and definitely not disappointed. It hasn't been done before, but it will - come 2016.

So you want him to have the exact same voice for both Bruce and Batman? That would throw the believability straight out the window for me. Affleck has a naturally high voice and i trust that he'll use it for Wayne and lower his tone for Batman, just like what his wife said.

 

[Jekecy]

Batman is a performance. It's theatricality. It's a "put-on" in terms of voice because you can't let anyone know you're Bruce Wayne because of how popular he is in Gotham, and it's also a way to become an animal in order to frighten criminals and let out inner rage. Bale, Keaton, Affleck, all will have some sort of growl. A slight growl or a louder growl...the levels don't matter. It's all correct for the character. The only thing that isn't, is you're speaking in a normal voice within the cowl. The only exception to that is if your voice is extremely deep as it is, and you can try to lighten it up for the regular Bruce Wayne voice.

Obviously no one wants something in the vein of West and Clooney. However I still want Batman to use his real voice (for reasons stated just above) done the right way. The performance should be with the Wayne persona. All preference, but it would serve them well after following Nolan/Bale who went the other way.

As your exception notes, this would only really work if said person's natural voice is already grizzly and "Batman-like". Affleck's isn't so much, but that doesn't matter as what counts is the film-world voice. Jackie Earle Haley has a peepsqueak voice in real life, but in Watchmen we completely believed this man really sounded like a disturbed psychopath. Same would apply with Ben if he's successful at performing at a different register.

It would be sorta neat if his public Bruce persona was basically what Ben is now in the spotlight. Then we see how he "actually" is in private and within the cowl; a dark soul with a voice to match.

 

[BvS117]

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

My God, is he getting bigger everyday?...

 

[regwec]

His workout regime is actually standing on his head while his trainer massages all the muscle down from his legs into his upper body. That is why his head also looks so big- it's just overspill. Right before he starts shooting, he will jump up and down and run on the spot until all of the bulk has eased down from his head and onto his shoulders.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I just climbed the Empire State Building in 5 minutes with 1 hand tied behind my back. What did you do today paparazzi? Oh... took this photo.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Regwec, you kill me.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

The problem i have with Conroy is he acts like his 2 voices are such a huge distinction. It's not. His Batman voice was never a huge difference from his Bruce Wayne. Only slightly. He naturally has a deep voice, and his Bat-voice was just less happy sounding with how he pronounces his words. It's still a pretty normal voice, just a lot of bass because like i said, his voice is deep. I would still be able to identify Batman as Bruce Wayne after one encounter with him, if he had words with me.

Affleck has a higher voice naturally. So he will have to strain a growl, or do a low whisper in order to create his own Bat-voice. Which is what most actors have to do when they play Batman. Kevin is a different case.

Batman is a performance. It's theatricality. It's a "put-on" in terms of voice because you can't let anyone know you're Bruce Wayne because of how popular he is in Gotham, and it's also a way to become an animal in order to frighten criminals and let out inner rage. Bale, Keaton, Affleck, all will have some sort of growl. A slight growl or a louder growl...the levels don't matter. It's all correct for the character. The only thing that isn't, is you're speaking in a normal voice within the cowl. The only exception to that is if your voice is extremely deep as it is, and you can try to lighten it up for the regular Bruce Wayne voice.

So you want him to have the exact same voice for both Bruce and Batman? That would throw the believability straight out the window for me. Affleck has a naturally high voice and i trust that he'll use it for Wayne and lower his tone for Batman, just like what his wife said.

I get what you mean by Conroy, but I liked that there was some distinction where they could conceivably be a different person yet have a similar voice. To me it worked better than BeastBale's caged animal voice at times.

 

[Pants Under Underpants]

Daaaang ok I think I can finally get on the "Ben Affleck is buff" train. He looks so good here. His neck is getting bigger, his arms are looking good, and he his traps are coming in nicely. He's going to be jacked for Justice League!

 

[BvS117]

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[BravoNolanILuvU]

So, is he officially bigger than in The Town? He's obviously not as cut.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Damn Ben is clearly working out.

 

[Tatsumarushinob]

Hopefully he is also having martial arts training

 

[BRGomes]

2 more:

Big daddy cool.. DIESEL!

 

[titansupes]

Batfleck lookin' damn good.

The problem i have with Conroy is he acts like his 2 voices are such a huge distinction. It's not. His Batman voice was never a huge difference from his Bruce Wayne. Only slightly. He naturally has a deep voice, and his Bat-voice was just less happy sounding with how he pronounces his words. It's still a pretty normal voice, just a lot of bass because like i said, his voice is deep. I would still be able to identify Batman as Bruce Wayne after one encounter with him, if he had words with me.

Exactly.