BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - - - - - - Part 34

[KillerWolf]

That's because of his over-acting.

Don't tell me people are really saying this?

I mean, yes, he is very intense in that scene, but I'd assume that was the purpose with that scene and its tone.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah. I am on a peek at an alt future that Diana is given of a world ravaged after a devastating conflict by hmanity and the other super humans against a tyrant "Superman" that is in fact a duplicate either still under Luthor's thrall or having actually killed Luthor is now in charge himself.

I think those other people hanging next to Bruce are the same group of either horse back riders from trailer 2 or the people we see getting shot by the Super Troopers in the same trailer. Perhaps Batman came to their aid and he got captured for his troubles. I would even suspect a set up to goad a hiding Dark Knight to come out just so he could be over powered and captured.

Diana sees all this and I speculate probably isn't privy to all the facts (Such as the duplicate angle) and she inserts herself into the conflict to avoid that future.

I also think this may be the section of the film where Arthur and Barry factor in. I won't be surprised if we see ths "Superman" in the alt timre line kill them all, Diana and Bruce included.

I knew I won't be disappointed. t:

You know, the pieces do fit with that theory quite nicely, so far... good point with the horse riders. There is a fact that those horse riders seem to be in the same desert and it doesn't really go in line with a dreams on film to feel so connected with so many different scenes... I mean, how long that dream is?

Hmm... I personally don't know what to think, but this theory of yours seems more substantial every time, I'll give you that. I must say that I did feel strong "Injustice" vibe when watching the scene.

 

[steve4991]

Yeah, he was totally over acting in the scene that we have no build up or full context to. We clearly know what the character was going through up to that point...

Shahd ahp.

My favorite part of the teaser was when Ben captured Batman so well and looked with his eyes before turning his head straight just before Supes landed. It was very well done on his part.

 

[morningmimosa]

I love every second of it. I thought made my intention clear.

 

[steve4991]

Oops I didn't see the sarcasm emoji I thought you were serious haha. Rookie mistake on my part.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah, he was totally over acting in the scene that we have no build up or full context to. We clearly know what the character was going through up to that point...

Shahd ahp.

My favorite part of the teaser was when Ben captured Batman so well and looked with his eyes before turning his head straight just before Supes landed. It was very well done on his part.

Mine too. I really like him looking at that guy tied next to him, clearly contemplating and then his eyes move to the left just before he turns his head, as if he heard Superman coming.

As for comments of "overacting" (if people indeed make them), it's one of those words people tend to use in lack of any real criticism.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Someone a page or two back said it was "overacting" and it's like... It's 50 seconds and all he does is turn his head and get the mask taken off... That's all we saw. Jesus Christ...

 

[I Am The Knight]

So the Knightmare sequence is going to be longer than I expected. Interesting.

 

[KillerWolf]

Someone a page or two back said it was "overacting" and it's like... It's 50 seconds and all he does is turn his head and get the mask taken off... That's all we saw. Jesus Christ...

Seriously... for the love of Flipper Zod.

So the Knightmare sequence is going to be longer than I expected. Interesting.

There is a certain "dreamy" quality to the scene. Though KRYPTON's vision theory fits with that as well.

One thing is sure, that scene with Supes and soldiers has been messing with our minds since the teaser.

And, again, it obviously is a quite important scene, given that it's always being shown to us.

 

[steve4991]

So the Knightmare sequence is going to be longer than I expected. Interesting.

Why do you say this?

 

[KillerWolf]

I just got another theory: it's a kinky role play.

Lois is gonna get so pissed.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Why do you say this?

Well for myself, IF Iam right think about this: Horse riders, attack by SuperTroopers, Troopers fight Batman, Batman captured, Batman wakes up, Supes arrives, unmasking plus whatever may come after... that's more than ten minutes I think, minimum. That is if indeed thoseparts alldo link together.

 

[KillerWolf]

Well for myself, IF Iam right think about this: Horse riders, attack by SuperTroopers, Troopers fight Batman, Batman captured, Batman wakes up, Supes arrives, unmasking plus whatever may come after... that's more than ten minutes I think, minimum. That is if indeed thoseparts alldo link together.

Agreed.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Seriously... for the love of Flipper Zod.



There is a certain "dreamy" quality to the scene. Though KRYPTON's vision theory fits with that as well.

One thing is sure, that scene with Supes and soldiers has been messing with our minds since the teaser.

And, again, it obviously is a quite important scene, given that it's always being shown to us.

Yeah, we're gonna get some great insight on BatFleck's feelings about Superman, that's for sure t:

Why do you say this?

Well in my mind it has always seemed more like a general vision of a bad future, but I never expected Batman to get captured and to have to face Supes, even though it makes perfect sense. Now I feel like we might get a conversation between Bats and Evil Superman. I would love that.

 

[The Shape]

I knew I won't be disappointed. t:

You know, the pieces do fit with that theory quite nicely, so far... good point with the horse riders. There is a fact that those horse riders seem to be in the same desert and it doesn't really go in line with a dreams on film to feel so connected with so many different scenes... I mean, how long that dream is?

Doesn't seem like it will be that long, and yes, the horseback riders are from the same scene. It seems like Bruce's dream is of a dystopian future in which Superman has eradicated much of humanity and rules all that is left. Batman is leading a small resistance to stop him, but is captured by the Superman soldiers. Then we see the bit that premiered last night of their "leader" arriving.

I can't see this dream sequence lasting more than 4 minutes, and I'd lay down some money on a bet that this is NOT some vision of Wonder Woman's featuring other members of the Justice League.

I wrote this in another thread to illustrate the importance of the scene, as it relates specifically to the conflict between Batman and Superman:



He's afraid of what Superman COULD do and doesn't want to wait to find out. I don't think this particular nightmare is what inspires Bruce to act against Supes, and we don't know at which point of the film this sequence will come.

But this nightmare is essentially the manifestation of Bruce's greatest fear, which is being completely powerless to save someone or stop someone from doing something terrible. It all boils down to his parents' deaths in Crime Alley when he was a boy and completely powerless to stop their killer, Joe Chill. As Batman, he's trained himself to be able to tackle nearly any obstacle or opponent, and to make sure that he would never be powerless to save someone again.

Superman, however, is something that I'm sure he feels powerless against, having seen what he is and what he can do. He recognizes and admits that Superman possesses the power to wipe out the entire human race. In this case, the entire planet is Crime Alley and Superman is Joe Chill.

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I can even see the flashback of his parents' deaths and this sequence appearing almost side by side.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

It does seem to be too long and too much going on to be just a nightmare scene.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

It does seem to be too long and too much going on to be just a nightmare scene.

It's not just anybody's nightmare.

 

[KillerWolf]

Doesn't seem like it will be that long, and yes, the horseback riders are from the same scene. It seems like Bruce's dream is of a dystopian future in which Superman has eradicated much of humanity and rules all that is left. Batman is leading a small resistance to stop him, but is captured by the Superman soldiers. Then we see the bit that premiered last night of their "leader" arriving.

I can't see this dream sequence lasting more than 4 minutes, and I'd lay down some money on a bet that this is NOT some vision of Wonder Woman's featuring other members of the Justice League.

I wrote this in another thread to illustrate the importance of the scene, as it relates specifically to the conflict between Batman and Superman:



He's afraid of what Superman COULD do and doesn't want to wait to find out. I don't think this particular nightmare is what inspires Bruce to act against Supes, and we don't know at which point of the film this sequence will come.

But this nightmare is essentially the manifestation of Bruce's greatest fear, which is being completely powerless to save someone or stop someone from doing something terrible. It all boils down to his parents' deaths in Crime Alley when he was a boy and completely powerless to stop their killer, Joe Chill. As Batman, he's trained himself to be able to tackle nearly any obstacle or opponent, and to make sure that he would never be powerless to save someone again.

Superman, however, is something that I'm sure he feels powerless against, having seen what he is and what he can do. He recognizes and admits that Superman possesses the power to wipe out the entire human race. In this case, the entire planet is Crime Alley and Superman is Joe Chill.

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I can even see the flashback of his parents' deaths and this sequence appearing almost side by side.

I used to think exactly along those lines, but even four minutes of a dream sequence is quite a lot for a film. Unless it's David Lynch directing.

I'm still partial to the idea of Bruce's nightmare, but some other theories, like KRYPTON's, do seem to be quite possible right now. There is quite a bit going on. A bit too much for usual depiction of dreams on film I'd say. We'll see. Hopefully we'll get more insight in that scene tomorrow, though I kinda doubt that happening.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Mine too. I really like him looking at that guy tied next to him, clearly contemplating and then his eyes move to the left just before he turns his head, as if he heard Superman coming.

As for comments of "overacting" (if people indeed make them), it's one of those words people tend to use in lack of any real criticism.

Overacting..is acting that I consider to be so over the top that it takes me out of the scene. HOWEVER, I would argue that Batman's intense response is appropriate.

The image made by the mask is something he's worked hard to obtain for years..only to have it taken away from him. He knows that Superman can kill him, but suddenly..he's stopped caring. It's like Batman is his "self" and he feels robbed from that. The mask means more to him than hiding his identity. It IS his identity.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I really do want to send a message to high school me that one day he'd see this: Ben Affleck and Batman, the two things he wouldn't shut up about, together.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Overacting..is acting that I consider to be so over the top that it takes me out of the scene. HOWEVER, I would argue that Batman's intense response is appropriate.

The image made by the mask is something he's worked hard to obtain for years..only to have it taken away from him. He knows that Superman can kill him, but suddenly..he's stopped caring. It's like Batman is his "self" and he feels robbed from that. The mask means more to him than hiding his identity. It IS his identity.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ One of the two scenes in which Rorschach is demasked.

Spoiler

Rorschach's death

made me almost cry.

But Watchmen has its own thread.

Anyway, I think Watchmen actually had higher expectations from its fanbase than Batman V Superman, and I would argue that Snyder mostly delivered (7.5 on IMDB, 8 on metacritic, and I personally think it's a great movie) .

 

[KillerWolf]

Overacting..is acting that I consider to be so over the top that it takes me out of the scene. HOWEVER, I would argue that Batman's intense response is appropriate.

The image made by the mask is something he's worked hard to obtain for years..only to have it taken away from him. He knows that Superman can kill him, but suddenly..he's stopped caring. It's like Batman is his "self" and he feels robbed from that. The mask means more to him than hiding his identity. It IS his identity.

Well, yeah, his expressions are very intense, but it is supposed to be an intense scene, focused primarily on Bruce.

Oh, and I completely agree with your assessment of that scene.
And again, I really like the fact that Supes takes a mask off and there is still Batman there looking back at him.

 

[The Shape]

I used to think exactly along those lines, but even four minutes of a dream sequence is quite a lot for a film. Unless it's David Lynch directing.

I'm still partial to the idea of Bruce's nightmare, but some other theories, like KRYPTON's, do seem to be quite possible right now. There is quite a bit going on. A bit too much for usual depiction of dreams on film I'd say. We'll see. Hopefully we'll get more insight in that scene tomorrow, though I kinda doubt that happening.

You're right, 4 minutes is long for a dream. I could see it being less than that.

What we saw last night was 49 seconds, including all of the title screens that were cut into the footage. Beyond that, I'm guess this dream will just have a small amount of build-up to last night's footage. Batman shows up, gets captured by the Superman thugs. There's no chance that this is part of a 10-minute sequence that will send this film's story to a grinding halt to show visions of the future.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Well, yeah, his expressions are very intense, but it is supposed to be an intense scene, focused primarily on Bruce.

Oh, and I completely agree with your assessment of that scene.
And again, I really like the fact that Supes takes a mask off and there is still Batman there looking back at him.

Deep. It seems that without the mask, Batman has to put up EVEN more of a front to make up for it.

A lot of deep ideas in that one moment of performance, I'll tell you.