Chapter 43 - “It's Coming” – Discussion Thread 11/17/08

[Halcohol]

They referenced Watchmen twice! Once, with Sylar being scorched, and twice, with Hiro throwing his arms up in glee: "I did it!"

Hahahaha, that's got nothing to do with Watchmen. That's been Hiro's thing since the first episode.

 

[The Caped Knight]

They referenced Watchmen twice! Once, with Sylar being scorched,

Aside from that, I'm happy with the direction of this season. Interested to find out where this Sylar and Elle relationship may head.

I noticed that too .

I am as well is very interested to see where Gabriel Petrelli's relationship with Elle Bishop goes too next .

 

[Nitehawk013]

I thought everything except Hiro was great.

I do not understand all the gripe over Sylar. His base power is to know how things work and then do it himself. Prior to this ep he actually looked at the brains to see how the powers worked. Well, Mohinder explained that the powers were accessed via the adrenals and were linked to emotions and/or the fight or flight reflex. So why all the gripe when Sylar now figures out via his power that the powers are based on emotion and if he can tap into that persons feelings through empathy (just like Arthur said in the Ep) he can also learn that power without killing them?

It is the natural progression of his power IMO. And it took Papa Patrelli to explain the "Hunger" since I assume he gained the hunger himself when he stole all of Peter's powers, including the hunger. Papa understood what caused it and then explained to Sylar what it was.

I seriously cannot understand what some of you are seeing in this show. I'm loving it. All except Hiro the tard and Claire being this intricate part of everything.

 

[GL1]

I am as well is very interested to see where Gabriel Petrelli's relationship with Elle Bishop goes too next .

It's obviously going to the nearest bed.

The only things I really liked about this ep are:

1) The lineups at the end. The Heroes vs Villains type of thing is always great imagery.

2) The idea that they're all going to lose their powers. Now that's kinda cool. It's one thing to depower a bunch of mutants, for housecleaning purposes, House of M, but its another entirely to depower the whole universe. That's incredible...

Even if it is horribly inconsistent storytelling.

There were some other 'okay' moments... Daphne's "confession" almost seemed like something incredible... except Daphne has no depth, and so neither can her relationship.

Tracy's sudden betrayal was almost something... but no build up. It's okay to have all kinds of characters switching allegiances all of a sudden... but you have to build up to each individual one. You can't just turn someone when its convenient because it makes no sense for the remorseful Tracy to betray her savior. No 2 moments of dialogue can fix that.

And that is the issue with a lot of these 'twists.' The new writing team uses 'dialogue retcon' a lot, where someone gives some exposition to explain why no one would ever see this coming, or justify inconsistent writing based on circumstantial details... it's really just very sloppy, and shows that this is NOT planned out ahead of time. That's okay for a formula show like House or Law and Order... but here? No thanks.

 

[04nbod]

I liked this episode even though it felt like total set up for the two parter

 

[SatEL]

And why does Sylar need Elle to explain her power to him? He should automatically how use it because of his original ability?

The contradictions on this show are ridiculous, its so pathetic that this is the best the writers can come up with.

 

[javphonic]

I think Sylar has to work out the problems on his own, as we saw him slowly devloping his TK throughout flasback eps, I think he knows how to use her powers, but she's just speeding up the process and helping him gain better control over it faster...

it's odd, Sylar was always my least favorite character and Elle my fave, now that the two have an intersting history as fleshed out last ep, plus the events of this ep I'm hoping they become an item and I'm wondering if Elle was the mother of Sylar's son in the future ep we saw a while back

 

[Primal Slayer]

The contradictions on this show are ridiculous, its so pathetic that this is the best the writers can come up with.

Except what Sylar did wasnt a contradiction. He knows how to use Elles power in its basic form but he doesnt know how to work it like a pro like Elle does. I believe it has been shown with other powers, he didnt get complete control over TK when he got it at first or the super hearing, or Teds power. It took him time to learn to what extent he can use these powers.

 

[Steyin]

the backlit of Sylar as he's being zapped was incredible...although very, very reminiscent of Watchmen.

I must be the only one who didn't see that scene as a reference in any way.

not to mention Hiro's reaction to the comics ("Captain America dead! Spider-Man reveals his secret identity! Hulk is red! What on Earth is going on?!") but you can be sure this gimmick will get old real fast.

Odd, Hiro's reaction to this wasn't shown on my TV...

 

[LexFactor]

Just seen that Heroes ratings were down again to 7.59 million. I don't know much about the ratings for the big networks but does anybody think that Heroes is in trouble?

 

[shadowdog]

I have to say I loved the last scene where we got to see just who is on which side leading up to the second coming of the eclipse.
I like that the lines are drawn now and I'm excited to see Tracy ready to do a little more with her powers and working with people who will be more than happy to show her how to use them right.
I liked this episode and I don't know what everyone is always *****ing about this season.
This is probably the only show on the air where the "fans" scrutinize every little detail. It's a TV show, and it's wirtten by people who are charged with the massive responsibility of keeping a hit show going forward in an interesting/believable/exciting way.
I'd love to read three seasons worth of scripts wrtten by some of the complainers on this board and see just how many holes and bad descions they make.
I like Heroes and I think the writers are doing a fine job this season.
Maybe it's just me, but when I don't like a show, I don't watch it.
Try that.

 

[shadowdog]

also, I think Tracy's turning sides isn't so super unbelieveable, she has been recieving compensation from Pinehearst for a while now, so she was already in bed with them before she found out what they really do.
That coming at the same time as the discovery of her abilities would make for some life changing decisions, even from generally-good-cold-hearted-professional to not-so-good-cold-hearted-manipulator

 

[War Party]

I enjoyed the episode. Looking forward to the two parter and seeing how this concludes. Still a fan of the show.

 

[louiebling$]

what i don't understand is how the hell is claire the "Catalyst" when she wasn't born when Tracy,Nikki,Barbara and Nathan were given their synthetic abilities?

 

[SatEL]

Except what Sylar did wasnt a contradiction. He knows how to use Elles power in its basic form but he doesnt know how to work it like a pro like Elle does. I believe it has been shown with other powers, he didnt get complete control over TK when he got it at first or the super hearing, or Teds power. It took him time to learn to what extent he can use these powers.

Lol the contradictions stem further than Sylar ability to master others powers.

 

[fu manchu]

what i don't understand is how the hell is claire the "Catalyst" when she wasn't born when Tracy,Nikki,Barbara and Nathan were given their synthetic abilities?

i think Kaito had the catalyst and then hid it in Claire somehow before giving her to HRG.

 

[chaseter]

Except what Sylar did wasnt a contradiction. He knows how to use Elles power in its basic form but he doesnt know how to work it like a pro like Elle does. I believe it has been shown with other powers, he didnt get complete control over TK when he got it at first or the super hearing, or Teds power. It took him time to learn to what extent he can use these powers.

Once again...people griping over something they do not understand fully and you are correct. Look at all the times Sylar has gotten a power. When he first got TK as you mentioned...he couldn't do it full on at the beginning. When he got super hearing, it hurt his ears until he could get it under control. Even after he got Claire's power...he didn't heal instantly. You are correct

Lol the contradictions stem further than Sylar ability to master others powers.

Lol at how you got contradicted I understand complaints and I have a lot of them as well...but please at least put effort into your complaints, contradictions, plot holes, explanations, etc. to put forth real questions/discussion.

 

[chaseter]

Just seen that Heroes ratings were down again to 7.59 million. I don't know much about the ratings for the big networks but does anybody think that Heroes is in trouble?

Yes it is in trouble. I also think a lot of people watch this on the internet with at least 10 million people watching the show weekly. Ratings aren't always the best way to judge a show's quality over. Some great shows get crappy ratings and some crappy shows get great ratings. If they don't increase their viewership back up with chapter 4...then we will get season 4 but that will probably be the end of it...if nothing happens that is.

 

[absonic93]

that seems over dramatized......

 

[Primal Slayer]

Well since Heroes is on NBC, basically 8 million viewers per episode is good. I believe Heroes is the 2nd highest rated program on their network. The only problem they see with it is that it lost so many viewers from its 1st season. Majority of NBC shows get around 6-7 million viewers I think. Kath and Kim get around 5-6 and they got picked up for a full season. So Heroes is still technically good in the ratings.

Edit: just checked and ER is the highest rated series on NBC right now with around 9 million viewers. So Heroes is still doing very good.

 

[LexFactor]

Well since Heroes is on NBC, basically 8 million viewers per episode is good. I believe Heroes is the 2nd highest rated program on their network. The only problem they see with it is that it lost so many viewers from its 1st season. Majority of NBC shows get around 6-7 million viewers I think. Kath and Kim get around 5-6 and they got picked up for a full season. So Heroes is still technically good in the ratings.

Edit: just checked and ER is the highest rated series on NBC right now with around 9 million viewers. So Heroes is still doing very good.

I didn't know that. So it's not all doom and gloom then.

 

[Neptune]

I really enjoyed this episode. The Hiro bit was funny in my opinion but i can understand why people don't like it. I'm starting to like Matt. He finally did something awesome with that great power of his. I like the fact that Sylar's power evolved. Although i still find this new sympathetic Sylar kind of hard to swallow, i watched some episodes of season 2 today. Sylar showed no remorse about killing people, he even gloated to Mohinder that he killed Isaac. But still, excellent episode!

 

[SuBe]

Well since Heroes is on NBC, basically 8 million viewers per episode is good. I believe Heroes is the 2nd highest rated program on their network. The only problem they see with it is that it lost so many viewers from its 1st season. Majority of NBC shows get around 6-7 million viewers I think. Kath and Kim get around 5-6 and they got picked up for a full season. So Heroes is still technically good in the ratings.

Edit: just checked and ER is the highest rated series on NBC right now with around 9 million viewers. So Heroes is still doing very good.

I don't think it is just viewers they will think about, the Cost of this show, due the the Special effects, will be higher than Kath and Kim or Possibly ER.

 

[hoopy3]

I thought everything except Hiro was great.

I do not understand all the gripe over Sylar. His base power is to know how things work and then do it himself. Prior to this ep he actually looked at the brains to see how the powers worked. Well, Mohinder explained that the powers were accessed via the adrenals and were linked to emotions and/or the fight or flight reflex. So why all the gripe when Sylar now figures out via his power that the powers are based on emotion and if he can tap into that persons feelings through empathy (just like Arthur said in the Ep) he can also learn that power without killing them?

It is the natural progression of his power IMO. And it took Papa Patrelli to explain the "Hunger" since I assume he gained the hunger himself when he stole all of Peter's powers, including the hunger. Papa understood what caused it and then explained to Sylar what it was.

I seriously cannot understand what some of you are seeing in this show. I'm loving it. All except Hiro the tard and Claire being this intricate part of everything.

What doesn't make sense (and demonstrates sloppy plot lines) is if the hunger is all about obtaining powers, then why did it affect Peter the way it did just several episodes ago. Peter not only had a ton of powers, but he obtains them easily. He hunger should have easily been satisfied.

 

[alexdunn]

Is it just me or is the whole eclipse taking and giving away powers completely illogical? Shouldn't the already powered people have lost their powers the last eclipse then?And I'm pretty sure they should be farther apart.