Fantastic Four reborn! - - - - - - - Part 16

[Kelly]

Crazy thing is I think FBINO will flock to go and see this crap which will encourage more FFINO to be made. Darned if you do, darned if you don't.

I think Michael B. Jordan is right.

Totally agree...

The thing is, why spend the time and money on a group that has already made their minds up. CB fans do that all the time with their fav comics to movies. I'm not saying that is wrong, that is just how it is, it is the phenomenon known as "fanboy". First coming on the site in 2004 I was very confused at the fanboys and their zeal for comics. I understand it now, so it not so much a shock. I think that Fox knew that that would come and therefore from the beginning have been setting this film up as not a "CB to Screen" endeavor, but a grounded, different superhero movie. For better or worse, that is what they have done. To the fan of 616, that is horrible, to the fan of the UFF, not such a bad thing. To the GA, who for the most part have no clue another F4 movie is coming out, may very well be totally surprised at the difference from the last two movies, but may have no clue HOW FAR away from the comics the movie really is....nor care for that matter as long as they enjoy it....so advertise to that group, the largest group coming into the theaters and save your money until the couple of months before the release, and plaster the airwaves with it hitting at the GA. If it gets positive critical feedback, breaks even and possible a small profit. Fox has won.....that is not such a farfetched thing to think about.

It sucks totally for the fans of 616, but it is what it is.

 

[sdc10]

Now that's really smart marketing strategy, getting your film's promotion buried under an avalanche of Jurassic World and Inside Out ads.

I was feeling that the only way this movie would be "successful" was if it was released without some heavy competition. Have to say though looking at the movies it will be going up against I have a tough time believing it will beat out anything close to it. Even from just a GA perspective, going up against Jurassic World (which may prove popular with Chris Pratt's new found fame), Ted 2, as well as a Pixar movie, I feel this movie has a uphill battle to fight.

 

[metaphysician]

I think the only way for this movie to be successful, would be for it to be a completely different movie from the ground up. They aren't aiming for "successful", and never were. They are aiming for "lets us keep the rights without spending too much money."

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

I am also anticipating this project more than AOU. Marvel has a formula I've seen 10xs now so I look forward to them as much a Pixar flick.

Actually with Winter Soldier, and Guardians, they've brought a great change from what several fans and movie goers say.

And that's hilarious if you think this movie will project more than AOU. Just wait for AOU trailers.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah once the first trailer for AoU hits its going to be a juggernaut. There's a reason why the first grossed 1.5 billion world wide.

Fantastic 4 has shorter legs than TMNT had going into this summer. At least tmnt had a cartoon and a nostalgia crowd.

 

[Paradox1]

Actually with Winter Soldier, and Guardians, they've brought a great change from what several fans and movie goers say.

And that's hilarious if you think this movie will project more than AOU. Just wait for AOU trailers.

I've seen the winter soldier and seeing that did nothing for my anticipation for GOTG. It's a good movie just doesn't do much for me outside of my time watching it.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Unless you're a fan of marvel studios alone, then most comic fans anticipate the characters they want to see most rather than the studio behind them. Im on both sides, I like the characters or I'm interested in the characters and I like MS as a whole. I haven't been disappointed by the movies they produce or the formula they've chosen to use so I'll continue to support them even if I'm not big on a certain character.

I like the F4 but im not fond of fox being behind them, but because I like superhero movies I'll go see this with very low expectations. Im not expecting this movie to be good, and I'm not expecting it to do make a lot of money. But im going to go see it one time just to see how it turns out. Because it being good may be its only saving grace and even still I don't think that'll save it at the BO.

 

[Spade]

The week before this comes out is Jurassic World starring Chris Pratt, who just got into the Major Leagues with Guardians. The next week is Ted 2, and the week after that has a Terminator movie plus the sequel to Magic Mike on the same day. I can see a good opening weekend if the trailers are good enough, but it'd have to be great not to take a huge hit right afterwards. While already dating the sequel is a huge show of confidence, there's the old adage about counting one's eggs...

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Dont forget pixars movie too.

 

[psylockolussus]

I pretty much never eat anything at the theater.

Same here. I don't like putting food in my mouth while watching the film. I feel like I'm gonna miss something once I start eating. When I buy food, I usually eat them during the trailers.

I also hate when I feel like I'm about to pee because I just drank soda and the movie isn't over yet. I also hate when my hands are full of cheese or butter because I just ate popcorn.

I am also anticipating this project more than AOU.

Same here! Plus its the first Fantastic Four film in eight years! I'm not expecting for it to be a great film, I think this would have a rotten RT rating next year but whatever.

 

[Paradox1]

Same here. I don't like putting food in my mouth while watching the film. I feel like I'm gonna miss something once I start eating. When I buy food, I usually eat them during the trailers.

I also hate when I feel like I'm about to pee because I just drank soda and the movie isn't over yet. I also hate when my hands are full of cheese or butter because I just ate popcorn.



Same here! Plus its the first Fantastic Four film in eight years! I'm not expecting for it to be a great film, I think this would have a rotten RT rating next year but whatever.

I have hope for the film because of josh Trank. I thought what he did with Chronicle was no less than amazing. Apparently the folks at Disney agree, his previous movie could of been and probably should of been forgettable. It's a rare occasion when a great director(possible he could be one) decides direct in this genre. They get the most out of their actors when you need it the most.

 

[the gael]

Totally agree...

The thing is, why spend the time and money on a group that has already made their minds up. CB fans do that all the time with their fav comics to movies. I'm not saying that is wrong, that is just how it is, it is the phenomenon known as "fanboy". First coming on the site in 2004 I was very confused at the fanboys and their zeal for comics. I understand it now, so it not so much a shock. I think that Fox knew that that would come and therefore from the beginning have been setting this film up as not a "CB to Screen" endeavor, but a grounded, different superhero movie. For better or worse, that is what they have done. To the fan of 616, that is horrible, to the fan of the UFF, not such a bad thing. To the GA, who for the most part have no clue another F4 movie is coming out, may very well be totally surprised at the difference from the last two movies, but may have no clue HOW FAR away from the comics the movie really is....nor care for that matter as long as they enjoy it....so advertise to that group, the largest group coming into the theaters and save your money until the couple of months before the release, and plaster the airwaves with it hitting at the GA. If it gets positive critical feedback, breaks even and possible a small profit. Fox has won.....that is not such a farfetched thing to think about.

It sucks totally for the fans of 616, but it is what it is.

In theory, it's really possible. In reality, only once, in fact, a studio tried to target the GA excluding the fanboys completely. I remember what the cast and crew said at the time, ten years ago... "It is not for fanboys" "We will try something completely new" "It will be something very different from the comics and what you already saw". It was the "famous" Catwoman movie with Halle Berry, and we pretty much know what public the movie found... Of course, one movie is not representative, but it gave us an indication. There is 2 theory concerning this kind of challenge :

1 ) The fanboys are nothing, and if you build the GA, you win.

2 ) You can't win the GA without the fanboys (even if they are just a few minority) because they are the "core" of your audience, aggregating the people around them and them building your audience.

What I bet is that the second theory is the good one. I'm pretty sure the first can work, but not if the fans are against it. That's what I bet after CINO. I may be wrong, of course, but I'm pretty confident.

 

[Orba]

The important thing about having the fanboys on your side is that they keep the buzz going, talking about it and keeping the interest high, its free advertising. Without the fanboys you have to do all the work to raise interest amoung the GA, and that takes money, something this film doesn't seem to have a lot of.

The problem with trying to target the GA at the expense of the fans is that the film will be surrounded with high GA appeal films, pulling the audience away from films like Jurassic World will need amazing trailers and big marketing campaign. The first is dubious and the second is not going to happen.

Personally I think the only success Fox want out of this is to make back their money, and as far as I can see that means that their budget for this is probably a lot lower than we might have thought.

 

[Dark Raven]

Same here. I don't like putting food in my mouth while watching the film. I feel like I'm gonna miss something once I start eating. When I buy food, I usually eat them during the trailers.

I also hate when I feel like I'm about to pee because I just drank soda and the movie isn't over yet. I also hate when my hands are full of cheese or butter because I just ate popcorn.

That is the worst feeling. You can't concentrate on the movie because you're trying to anticipate when would be the best time to take a toilet break so you don't miss anything, but how can you know? It could be an important piece of expository dialogue or a sudden action scene. And if you do decide to stay and hold out, you're kind of just wishing the movie away, hoping it will end sooner so you can eventually go. So you can't really enjoy it at all.

So I've learnt never to drink anything. Popcorn can be salty and get stuck in your throat, almost necessitating a drink, so I try not to have that either. Also, I usually don't wear shorts to the movies in case it's air conditioned and starts getting cold, and usually bring extra clothing as well to use as a blanket. If you get cold, that can also make you want to pee, whereas if you keep your body temperature warm, you don't have the feeling of wanting to go as much.

Same here! Plus its the first Fantastic Four film in eight years! I'm not expecting for it to be a great film, I think this would have a rotten RT rating next year but whatever.

I think it probably will be quite rotten. That too will probably have an effect on audiences wanting to see it, as well as if there are bad reviews.

Also, word of mouth has weight to it, and if fan boys are talking about it and giving their recommendations and even wanting to see it more than once, it will soon create a buzz and have the general audience curious to see it. But if all the talk is bad, the GA will avoid it like the plague.

 

[Tony Stark]

In theory, it's really possible. In reality, only once, in fact, a studio tried to target the GA excluding the fanboys completely. I remember what the cast and crew said at the time, ten years ago... "It is not for fanboys" "We will try something completely new" "It will be something very different from the comics and what you already saw". It was the "famous" Catwoman movie with Halle Berry, and we pretty much know what public the movie found... Of course, one movie is not representative, but it gave us an indication. There is 2 theory concerning this kind of challenge :

1 ) The fanboys are nothing, and if you build the GA, you win.

2 ) You can't win the GA without the fanboys (even if they are just a few minority) because they are the "core" of your audience, aggregating the people around them and them building your audience.

What I bet is that the second theory is the good one. I'm pretty sure the first can work, but not if the fans are against it. That's what I bet after CINO. I may be wrong, of course, but I'm pretty confident.

Well, I can't think of a successful comic book movie that hasn't used method no. 2. While just about every CBM has made significant changes to the story lines, they kept the essential elements.

But with FF, I think it goes beyond this, because they really aren't even building a movie for the GA. They are burying this film in June when the studio knows it will get zero traction, and it's not like the first FF films are any kind of measuring stick to show how strong the franchise can be.

Usually when you reboot in this genre, you are going to get lower returns. Batman Begins adjusted for inflation was well below the first two Burton films, and even Batman Forever. Amazing Spiderman was well below any of the Raimi films. Even Incredible Hulk finished above Ang Lee's film, but just barely, and adjusted for inflation, it was lower.

That pretty much set's the bar for this movie, but then you add in the huge amount of competition surrounding the film, and the fact it's going up against another movie that will be a guaranteed no.1 movie for that weekend, with at least 60M.

That pretty much leads you to believe that the studio doesn't care about this movie. But then you hear the other side shouting, "that's ridiculous, the studio wants to make money, bla, bla, bla" Except that it happens all the time in Hollywood.

 

[Tony Stark]

Same here! Plus its the first Fantastic Four film in eight years! I'm not expecting for it to be a great film, I think this would have a rotten RT rating next year but whatever.

This is what those of us on this side of the argument don't get. I could get really pumped for a FF movie, as they have always been my 2nd favorite Marvel franchise, but when the film seems to bear no resemblance to the FF I know, I cannot get excited about it.

 

[Orba]

This is what those of us on this side of the argument don't get. I could get really pumped for a FF movie, as they have always been my 2nd favorite Marvel franchise, but when the film seems to bear no resemblance to the FF I know, I cannot get excited about it.

Yeah, that was an excuse 10 years ago when studios weren't very interesting in making CBMs, but today the "anything is better than nothing" line doesn't really work. Instead of asking why Fox are unwilling to spend hundreds of millions on FF unlike the X-Men, and are being spent on Marvel, Sony and DC films, the positive camp just seem to be "could be worse".

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah, that was an excuse 10 years ago when studios weren't very interesting in making CBMs, but today the "anything is better than nothing" line doesn't really work. Instead of asking why Fox are unwilling to spend hundreds of millions on FF unlike the X-Men, and are being spent on Marvel, Sony and DC films, the positive camp just seem to be "could be worse".

I'm surprised we haven't heard the line of argument from fans of this movie that FF fans should be glad and thankful we're getting any kind of movie based on this comic at all.

Of course, in this case, I'd say nothing is better than just anything.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I'm surprised we haven't heard the line of argument from fans of this movie that FF fans should be glad and thankful we're getting any kind of movie based on this comic at all.

Of course, in this case, I'd say nothing is better than just anything.

I've heard this line used elsewhere. That I should be grateful as a Fantastic Four fan that Fox is making a film based on my favorite comic characters that utterly mangles the source material, is made on the cheap solely to keep the rights and prevents me from seeing an actual faithful adaptation that would undoubtedly be made by a rival studio.

 

[Dark Raven]

I've heard this line used elsewhere. That I should be grateful as a Fantastic Four fan that Fox is making a film based on my favorite comic characters that utterly mangles the source material, is made on the cheap solely to keep the rights and prevents me from seeing an actual faithful adaptation that would undoubtedly be made by a rival studio.

That's like telling starving and sick children in Africa that they should be grateful they're getting any kind of water when they're forced to drink dysentery water that will make them even more sick and kill them.

And this production is like dysentery, with diarrhea running quickly out of Fox's creative asses as they seek to hold onto the rights.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Yeah, that was an excuse 10 years ago when studios weren't very interesting in making CBMs, but today the "anything is better than nothing" line doesn't really work. Instead of asking why Fox are unwilling to spend hundreds of millions on FF unlike the X-Men, and are being spent on Marvel, Sony and DC films, the positive camp just seem to be "could be worse".

Yeah I don't get it either. With the explosion of release announcements by Marvel, WB, Sony and Fox the proverbial bubble that might burst IMO is more at the tipping point than ever. 2014 has set the bar high for quality but this FF reboot looks like a stinker. Are more Elektra/Catwoman/ASM2's on the way? I worry about audience burn out. Will Fox be the one to rain on everyone's parade?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

That's like telling starving and sick children in Africa that they should be grateful they're getting any kind of water when they're forced to drink dysentery water that will make them even more sick and kill them.

And this production is like dysentery, with diarrhea running quickly out of Fox's creative asses as they seek to hold onto the rights.

 

[Orba]

I think with this film we could be looking at the possibility of the lowest budget Marvel comic adaption since the Corman FF. The big question is how far they push the found footage look, the more found footagy they go the lower the budget.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I've heard this line used elsewhere. That I should be grateful as a Fantastic Four fan that Fox is making a film based on my favorite comic characters that utterly mangles the source material, is made on the cheap solely to keep the rights and prevents me from seeing an actual faithful adaptation that would undoubtedly be made by a rival studio.

I felt this way when they were working on the Corman film and the first Story film.

But at this point, we're looking at the fourth low-budget, slapped together film that isn't getting serious talent or serious studio support.

I would rather have no film than another bad one. I don't want just any film that has some resemblance to the Fantastic Four. I want a big, well-done film that shows us the key elements of the FF.

We haven't seen any evidence that we're going to get what, so it's hard to feel anything but disappointment. While I would like to see more than we have, I'm not counting down the days until June 2015 . . . and most likely will never get to a point that I'm truly looking forward to it with anything close to excitement.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I get the feeling this probably hurt the F4 as an entire brand