Green Arrow series in the works at The CW - Part 1

[Destructus86]

I'll be cautiously optimistic....the whole grounded in realism thing bugs me.

 

[3dman27]

why's that?

 

[Destructus86]

why's that?

For me...what makes Superheroes so "Super" is because they are bigger than life. By grounding them in reality too deeply it really takes away that element and makes them "A guy in a costume"

 

[Savage]

I totally agree with that. It's why I'm not nearly as keen on the Batman movies as other fans. I love them as a movie fan and I'm sure I'll love this show as a guy who just loves good tv. Thing is if I ever click on the fanboy part of my brain I can go on for hours. I've pretty much come to terms with this show not going to be the Green Arrow that I read just like I came to terms with the Batman of the Nolan movies not being the one I read.

 

[Paradox1]

To me I like the realism when it pertains to heroes with no powers or no on the fringe science to help them(ala Iron Man).

 

[sethypants]

Same here. I prefer to watch a movie and TV show that is grounded in realism. Not interested in the overly campy thing.

 

[Savage]

I feel the exact opposite, which is why I don't keep up with many TV shows. There's already plenty of cop shows out there doing the realism thing. I actually prefer comics because they tend to be more out there than most movies and tv shows. I get enough realism in my day to day life. I'm looking to be impressed with something that isn't ordinary. So while these adaptions of powerless heroes are cute all they do is inspire me to reread the source material. Half the fun is watching normal guys in these impossible situations (that's the appeal of Supernatural for me. Dean and Sam Winchester are practically superheroes themselves.).

It's watching guys like Batman, Green Arrow, The Question and the like take down dudes who outclass them by miles. I'm never going to see that in live action so I kind of have a "That's nice." approach to them. I was way more excited about The Avengers and Spider-man than I was about another Batman movie and I consider myself not only a DC fan but a Batman fanatic. I just know better than to expect anything resembling fun or imagination in today's Batman movies and I'm not expecting any of that in Arrow either.

 

[sethypants]

I suppose you're a huge fan of Smallville?
I mean I do love Smallville, but I'm ready for a mature take on comic book heroes after ten years.

 

[KingMadness]

Smallville's later seasons were waaay too campy. Disgustingly so, the only good parts were with Green Arrow and/or Justice League.

 

[Webhead2006]

I still like to see the look hunter posted in all black with a trench coat over it. Also seth the casting news waas already posted yesterday just a few posts above your post last page.

As for the war paint look I still hope its just an early attempt at covering his face/identity. But after a few episodes and run ins with x baddies or cops he will modify suit and make a real mask ie one of the ideas I mentioned on mask/goggles deal a few pages back.

 

[Savage]

I suppose you're a huge fan of Smallville?
I mean I do love Smallville, but I'm ready for a mature take on comic book heroes after ten years.

Not especially. I just watched it because it was the only superhero show on tv. I'm not even kidding. I thought the show was awful half the time but I enjoyed seeing an up to date show about Superman. Lois and Clark is incredibly dated. I got to see villains from the comics and the Justice League. I was happy with that. It seems my choices with live action DC comics are "Good but with none of the fun of the comics!" or "The characters were ripped right off the pages but written terribly!".

The show did get awesome somewhere during college, though. Bizarro, The Justice League, The Suicide Squad, The Injustice Gang, this is stuff I never thought I'd see in live action because it would blow people's minds to see too many super powers on one screen for some reason. Yeah, I'm pretty grateful for The Avengers.

 

[Webhead2006]

As for realism thing I doo don't want all ultra realism like nolan did where fantaasy/comicbooky stuff and certain metas can't appear on show. They if written in well can easily work in certain metas and still have real world setting and all that.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

What I don't get is if the series is supposed to be "realistic" why doesn't Ollie wear armour?

That honestly might be my biggest problem with it. Green Arrow himself won't fit the established aesthetic of his own universe.

 

[Webhead2006]

Who says ollie may update suit over episodes and wear a kelvar vest under the suit for bullet protection.

 

[Paradox1]

Who needs armor if you never plan on getting hit by a bullet ala Jason Bourne or Nikita. As well as there is nothing realistic about billionaires becoming superheroes.

 

[sethypants]

Not especially. I just watched it because it was the only superhero show on tv. I'm not even kidding. I thought the show was awful half the time but I enjoyed seeing an up to date show about Superman. Lois and Clark is incredibly dated. I got to see villains from the comics and the Justice League. I was happy with that. It seems my choices with live action DC comics are "Good but with none of the fun of the comics!" or "The characters were ripped right off the pages but written terribly!".

The show did get awesome somewhere during college, though. Bizarro, The Justice League, The Suicide Squad, The Injustice Gang, this is stuff I never thought I'd see in live action because it would blow people's minds to see too many super powers on one screen for some reason. Yeah, I'm pretty grateful for The Avengers.

I like Smallville for what it is. I love Superman thats why I watch it. I love watching the "journey" I love the villains and all but I wasnt impressed with the first few seasons because I did not get to see those exciting villains and all. To me those seasons towards the end was better. But I appreciate Nolans films for what they are. realistic, gritty movie. Its a superhero without powers. Thats really like green arrow. I dont see how its possible to make Green Arrow more comic book-ish. His villains are mostly without powers, so there isnt much space to change them up anyway. Making it more comic book ish would only risk having it look campy.

 

[sethypants]

what Im saying is the only thing you'll miss out is boxing glove arrow and those crazy stuff that dont usually get written nowadays. Plus itll be too expensive to CG Bric for a tv budget, so you'll get the smallville treatment. its like mutant x terrible cg and all if there is a comic book version of characters on tv. It will look totally campy. So Im glad arrow is taking this route

 

[sethypants]

Who needs armor if you never plan on getting hit by a bullet ala Jason Bourne or Nikita. As well as there is nothing realistic about billionaires becoming superheroes.

Thats true. I dont see spies and assassins wear armor. Possibly a bullet proof vest, but thats all. Also it seems like Ollie is a long range fighter, so he is pretty much attacking in the dark like Nikita, Jason Bourne and all.

 

[chris moore]

I'm fine with the realism aspect of the show. I loved Smallville, but as the mythos got deeper they still held onto the "touching moment of the week" speech, which softened it a bit too much on occasion.

The only element of the hyper realistic side of this show that I'm not so keen on is the frequency of killing. I get that he's going to have that "me or them" mechanism instilled from his time on the island, and that sometimes putting someone down for keeps is the only way to prevent anyone else from getting hurt (like last resort of a police officer firing their weapon - it's no easy thing to do). But it's one thing to be a vigilante who drops crooks off with broken noses from being smashed in the face by Batman, and it's another to be a vigilante leaving crooks pinned to walls by an arrow through the bicep or the hand; those are still the kind of thing the police would though disapprove of for the use of force, still appreciate the help in crooks being brought to see justice done by the system. But it is quite another to drop them off in body bags with an arrow through the heart - that's not the kind of thing the police are ever going to over look. Not only is the crime elevated (from assault with a deadly weapon to murder), but it's not like his way of cleaning up even gives justice a chance to correct itself and do better; it just bypasses it completely.

So, while I can see sometimes he has to kill, I'm not in favour of it being one bad guy in every tussle winds up dead - his aim is supposed to be that good.

 

[sethypants]

I'm fine with the realism aspect of the show. I loved Smallville, but as the mythos got deeper they still held onto the "touching moment of the week" speech, which softened it a bit too much on occasion.

The only element of the hyper realistic side of this show that I'm not so keen on is the frequency of killing. I get that he's going to have that "me or them" mechanism instilled from his time on the island, and that sometimes putting someone down for keeps is the only way to prevent anyone else from getting hurt (like last resort of a police officer firing their weapon - it's no easy thing to do). But it's one thing to be a vigilante who drops crooks off with broken noses from being smashed in the face by Batman, and it's another to be a vigilante leaving crooks pinned to walls by an arrow through the bicep or the hand; those are still the kind of thing the police would though disapprove of for the use of force, still appreciate the help in crooks being brought to see justice done by the system. But it is quite another to drop them off in body bags with an arrow through the heart - that's not the kind of thing the police are ever going to over look. Not only is the crime elevated (from assault with a deadly weapon to murder), but it's not like his way of cleaning up even gives justice a chance to correct itself and do better; it just bypasses it completely.

So, while I can see sometimes he has to kill, I'm not in favour of it being one bad guy in every tussle winds up dead - his aim is supposed to be that good.

What I don't get is that in shows like Nikita, people gets killed in every episode. Same goes to shows like Chuck, although Chuck didn't kill anyone, Sarah and Casey kills like someone almost every episode. We see it so often on TV because its realistic like that. In their line of work, its either kill or be killed. But when it comes down to Arrow killing a single person, all hell break loose.
How he is being killed should definitely be censored. As long as he doesn't go all kill bill or saw, I think its fine. Audience got the concept of death ingrained in their head, every "death" they see on TV, if its done without much gore, it gives the sense that its a TV show. Its only when its over overly violent then its a problem. I mean Hunger Games was marketed for kids, so I really don't see as adults why are we so anal about stuff like Ollie breaking a person's neck.

 

[chris moore]

It's a bit more that Nikita, Sarah and Casey, are all licensed to do so when necessary by their government departments/organisations. Ollie's supposed to be a bit more like the guy who's out there doing his best because the systems we have in place don't work all the time. So really he's supposed to be holding himself to a higher standard than the government guys who kill someone because they can and it's easier.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Who needs armor if you never plan on getting hit by a bullet ala Jason Bourne or Nikita. As well as there is nothing realistic about billionaires becoming superheroes.

Batman was supposed a genuine real life ninja, manipulating himself in the darkness, using deception, theatricality and a tank and he still got shot and stabbed, even without wanting too, just like Ollie would get shot and stabbed eventually with his huge amount of training on a deserted island. Batman survived because he was wearing armour.

Therefore if they are following the same vein, like all the early reports said they are, Ollie should wear armour. His plan should be "I'll protect myself if someone gets a shot on me" not "I'll just not get shot". It would be like making a plan to get rich, but your plan is to win the lottery. You don't need help, because you've got a plan.

 

[sethypants]

It's a bit more that Nikita, Sarah and Casey, are all licensed to do so when necessary by their government departments/organisations. Ollie's supposed to be a bit more like the guy who's out there doing his best because the systems we have in place don't work all the time. So really he's supposed to be holding himself to a higher standard than the government guys who kill someone because they can and it's easier.

Nikita isn't sanctioned by the government.
She is a vigilante that is going after a rogue government organisation. The government is after her. So yeah if you meant its a bit more like Nikita, then yeah. Not to mention, shows like Dexter, Person of Interest and etc are also doing that.

 

[sethypants]

Batman was supposed a genuine real life ninja, manipulating himself in the darkness, using deception, theatricality and a tank and he still got shot and stabbed, even without wanting too, just like Ollie would get shot and stabbed eventually with his huge amount of training on a deserted island. Batman survived because he was wearing armour.

Therefore if they are following the same vein, like all the early reports said they are, Ollie should wear armour. His plan should be "I'll protect myself if someone gets a shot on me" not "I'll just not get shot". It would be like making a plan to get rich, but your plan is to win the lottery. You don't need help, because you've got a plan.

But shows like Nikita, Jason Bourne, Person of Interest, no one wears armor. Additionally, I don't think any one in real life wears armour to war or covert ops mission. The max they'll go is a bullet proof vest.

 

[chris moore]

Nikita isn't sanctioned by the government.
She is a vigilante that is going after a rogue government organisation. The government is after her. So yeah if you meant its a bit more like Nikita, then yeah. Not to mention, shows like Dexter, Person of Interest and etc are also doing that.

Ah, sorry. Don't watch Nikita, and we don't get person of interest. Still, even though it's grounded in reality, do you consider the guy who kills without a second thought a hero, or the guy who shoots to wound a hero? Nolan's Batman was "grounded in reality", and he still did everything he could to immobilise without killing. If you were a victim/family of a victim, would you prefer your assailant die outright, or have a chance at long term suffering and being "messed with" in the showers in prison? If you die, then you're just dead - you have no opportunity to suffer for what you did. And a corrupt corporate fat cat isn't likely to survive in prison long without suffering - their frozen assets will only buy them so much protection.