Henry Cavill IS Superman: - - - - Part 13

[ArmsHeldOut]

I'm a graphic designer. I have an eye for detail too. But Henry is much more generically handsome than say, Chris Pine, who has VERY distinctive look. I still have trouble telling apart supposedly famous models, because they all look the same to me. I have to stare at them for a while to gather what's distinctive about each one.

I guess it depends on how much they want Superman to be out in public, getting his picture taken and printed in glossy magazines everywhere. (We all know newspaper printing is crap. ) Cause if THAT happens, it would be harder to keep it on the down low, especially if Clark is running around.

But in general, I think the "everyone thinks Superman is Superman 24/7" will suffice in throwing people off Clark. There have been instances where actors will practice getting into a character by living like them, and nobody recognizes them. Why would Tom Cruise be delivering UPS packages?

That's kind of my point. For the most part, I don't have to stare at anyone a while to know what's distinctive about each one. I can see what's distinctive right away whether it's the shape of a nose or a slight difference in coloring, whatever. I actually have an issue with labels and stereotypes when it comes to people because, from my perspective, human beings exhibit far too much variation to be put in selective boxes so to say. I don't like when people generalize. That's another story for another type of thread though.

::Looks up Pine:: He doesn't appear to be a whole lot more distinctive looking than HC to me. Thanks to Andreth, we know that HC has heterochromia, right? He also has curly hair unlike most actors who have portrayed Supes at one time or another. Plus, he has a slightly broken nose.

"Everyone thinks Superman is Superman 24/7.." They do?

 

[Anita18]

kind of my point. For the most part, I don't have to stare at anyone a while to know what's distinctive about each one. I can see what's distinctive right away whether it's the shape of a nose or a slight difference in coloring, whatever. I actually have an issue with labels and stereotypes when it comes to people because, from my perspective, human beings exhibit far too much variation to be put in selective boxes so to say. I don't like when people generalize. That's another story for another type of thread though.

::Looks up Pine:: He doesn't appear to be a whole lot more distinctive looking than HC to me. Thanks to Andreth, we know that HC has heterochromia, right? He also has curly hair unlike most actors who have portrayed Supes at one time or another. Plus, he has a slightly broken nose.

I suppose everyone has their thing then. I will do typography and you will do faces.

"Everyone thinks Superman is Superman 24/7.." They do?

Do they know Supes was a baby on earth? Then why not?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I suppose everyone has their thing then. I will do typography and you will do faces.

Do they know Supes was a baby on earth? Then why not?

Well, he won't be wearing glasses on his feet.

Because it's too big a generalization to assume that "everyone" will think that way. Some people think outside of the box. I think we're getting away from what some posters in this thread were focusing on identification issues at the very basic level though. ::shrugs:: Like someone else said, I guess it all comes down to suspension of belief.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I thought Cavill was super hot before he was cast as Superman and I mostly am eh on generic looking pretty boys. He's not a generic looking pretty boy to me.

 

[Astrodust]

These shots of Cavill really prove that he does have a great look for Superman. There were people on this board not too long ago unconvinced that he had the look. I wonder if these new images and scenes have convinced them.

 

[flickchick85]

Well, he won't be wearing glasses on his feet.

Because it's too big a generalization to assume that "everyone" will think that way. Some people think outside of the box. I think we're getting away from what some posters in this thread were focusing on identification issues at the very basic level though. ::shrugs:: Like someone else said, I guess it all comes down to suspension of belief.

But at that very basic level you speak of, in order for someone to positively identify Clark as Superman with absolute certainty, they would actually need to meet both Clark AND Superman. That's a VERY narrow field of candidates. Perhaps only one: Lois. Possibly Perry White. It's not like Clark Kent is famous in any way, so most people who encounter Superman will never even know Clark Kent exists, and most people Clark encounters will only know Superman by photos (and let's' face it, he won't be doing photoshoots or deliberately giving people nice clear close-ups to dissect and analyze) and footage in the media. The most that comparison would elicit is a, "anybody ever tell you you look like Superman?" And of course there would be plenty of guys out there who resemble Superman, just as there are in real life, so people noticing the resemblance is just not a big deal, especially for a guy who is otherwise so "unremarkable" like Clark.

So even if those people "think outside the box" as you say...what are they thinking? That Superman might have another life? Ok sure, every now and then someone may think that. But what are the odds that that "outside the box" thinker ALSO happens to encounter Clark Kent in any capacity? Astronomical, imo. At any rate, common sense would direct MOST people to look at this maskless alien from another planet that's always flying around and saving lives and think, "that's just who he is." Because they are given absolutely no reason to suspect him of living a double life.

Am I saying there's no one out there who would figure out his secret? No. Of course someone will at some point. But it will likely be someone who has actually encountered Superman. And for most people, "encountering" Superman means being saved by him. So that rare person who does find out about Clark Kent's existence and figure out that he's also Superman will more than likely protect that secret. Or exploit it in a nefarious plot - these are comics after all.

But the point is, there are so many factors working against the public figuring it out (his lack of disguise leaving out any suggestions that he might lead a double life; the unlikelihood of anyone encountering both personae; the likelihood that in the rare occurrence that they do, they'll be an ally not looking to expose him; the fact that Superman's not an actor or model starring in movies/TV/photoshoots that people see in clear close-ups all the time, so his face won't be as easily recognizable as most other public figures; the fact that it's always easier to believe this person you've met looks like a famous person than it is to believe they actually are that famous person, especially when they're not at all behaving like that famous person; Clark's efforts to intentionally blend in and make himself seem as unmemorable as possible; etc.), that I have absolutely no problem suspending my disbelief to that end.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I love Cavill and all, but am I the only one who thinks his American accent isn't really consistent? It seems like he's fighting against his Brit accent most of the time. Specifically in the new clips, "Maybe a little bit murr", "Oive got so many questions" and the most forced sounding, "It hurts, doesn't it?".

He is... any actor putting on an accent is fighting against their natural accent...

Yeah, I don't even hear a hint of his English accent in anything I've seen so far. And I've seen Cavill in Blood Creek (where he also did an American accent). In that film, he had a couple slip ups (not many though). It seems like he's perfected it here.

I don't hear it either, and I thought his accent was absolutely awful in Cold Light of Day. It was actually one of the things I was worried about.

But he sounds great to me so far

maybe thats one of the ways they will change between Superman and Clark Kent, as Clark he will use his british accent

Haha, no one would ever know!

His accent isn't perfect but 99% of actors aren't. I hear Jackman's accent poke through as well and nobody ever seems to complain about that.

Yeah, nit picking the tiny slips is going to really annoy me.

As long as it sounds good most of the time, it won't bother me that he finished one word with slightly the wrong inflection or something

 

[G.Godfrey]

Overall Cavill's accent is excellent so far and any slips are not distracting at all. Heck, I found Gary Oldman's slips in TDK/TDKR more noticeable and he's considered by many I know as one hell of an accent maestro. I also heard no complaints of Cavill's accent from the screening reactions.

I'll try to ignore these accent (and CGI) nitpicks because I find them annoying and ridiculous since both of these things are looking great for the most part.

 

[KingKane88]

I love Cavill and all, but am I the only one who thinks his American accent isn't really consistent? It seems like he's fighting against his Brit accent most of the time. Specifically in the new clips, "Maybe a little bit murr", "Oive got so many questions" and the most forced sounding, "It hurts, doesn't it?".

This was one of the things that concerned me most about Henry going into this role, especially after seeing "Cold light of day", where in some scenes he really struggled with his accent. As far as what I have seen from MOS, I could not disagree more with you. Every clip I have seen thus with Henry having dialog, has very much impressed me.

Infact, Jay Leno asked Henry just last night on the Tonight Show ,about how he delt with the American accent, and Henry stated he went through some serious couching, and admitted his last films he had problems with it, but with MOS he took it to another level (im paraphrasing here).

Also, I'm sure if Henry had an American accent problem it would have been brought up already in the many reviews that we have seen. It has not, with many praising Henry's performance.

 

[KingKane88]

Overall Cavill's accent is excellent so far and any slips are not distracting at all. Heck, I found Gary Oldman's slips in TDK/TDKR more noticeable and he's considered by many I know as one hell of an accent maestro. I also heard no complaints of Cavill's accent from the screening reactions.

I'll try to ignore these accent (and CGI) nitpicks because I find them annoying and ridiculous since both of these things are looking great for the most part.

You put it better then me! In much less wording! Bravo! Lol

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

As an American I know what sounds like a decent American accent (of course our accents are different by region but bare with me)and what doesn't. I almost always hear slip ups, especially regarding the "R's" as Cavill brought up in that Leno interview. Most foreign actors idea of American accents are generic and come from nowhere so it's easy to spot them making up an accent 90% of the time. From what I hear Henry's isn't perfect but it's decent enough. I never expected perfection and if anyone else did they deserve disappointment. Now I'm not going to entirely judge it before I see the film so I'm just going off of the footage I've seen.

 

[KingKane88]

I thought Cavill was super hot before he was cast as Superman and I mostly am eh on generic looking pretty boys. He's not a generic looking pretty boy to me.

Whats funny, is my woman never thought he was hot. She seen him on the "Tonight Show With Jay Leno" the other night, and kept telling me to stop watching the Sups/Zod clip, and get back to Henry talking to Jay! I asked her "Why"??? She said cause he is so much hotter in a Suit then as Superman! Lol

Guess she just likes men in suits (which she admitted), I just find it funny that for over 2 years already of me obsessing over Henry and this Movie, she finaly comes clean with me that she thinks he's hot as F★★k!!!! She ALWAYS SAID HE WAS UGLY TO ME!!! All I have to say.... Is women are WEIRD, they will lie sometimes to protect there image in a relationship!

For you men out there, all I have to say is "Watch it", Henry's image is gonna snatch your girls image in her dreams, then she's gonna have to wake up looking at YOU"!!! Lmao

All I have to say is..... I warned ya!!!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Whats funny, is my woman never thought he was hot. She seen him on the "Tonight Show With Jay Leno" the other night, and kept telling me to stop watching the Sups/Zod clip, and get back to Henry talking to Jay! I asked her "Why"??? She said cause he is so much hotter in a Suit then as Superman! Lol

Guess she just likes men in suits (which she admitted), I just find it funny that for over 2 years already of me obsessing over Henry and this Movie, she finaly comes clean with me that she thinks he's hot as F★★k!!!! She ALWAYS SAID HE WAS UGLY TO ME!!! All I have to say.... Is women are WEIRD, they will lie sometimes to protect there image in a relationship!

For you men out there, all I have to say is "Watch it", Henry's image is gonna snatch your girls image in here dreams, thens she's gonna have to wake up looking at YOU"!!! Lmao

All I have to say is..... I warned ya!!!

That's a great story. I still haven't seen his actual performance but from a business stand point he was a good choice because of his striking good looks which everyone references during interviews and everything.

 

[Anita18]

But at that very basic level you speak of, in order for someone to positively identify Clark as Superman with absolute certainty, they would actually need to meet both Clark AND Superman. That's a VERY narrow field of candidates. Perhaps only one: Lois. Possibly Perry White. It's not like Clark Kent is famous in any way, so most people who encounter Superman will never even know Clark Kent exists, and most people Clark encounters will only know Superman by photos (and let's' face it, he won't be doing photoshoots or deliberately giving people nice clear close-ups to dissect and analyze) and footage in the media. The most that comparison would elicit is a, "anybody ever tell you you look like Superman?" And of course there would be plenty of guys out there who resemble Superman, just as there are in real life, so people noticing the resemblance is just not a big deal, especially for a guy who is otherwise so "unremarkable" like Clark.

So even if those people "think outside the box" as you say...what are they thinking? That Superman might have another life? Ok sure, every now and then someone may think that. But what are the odds that that "outside the box" thinker ALSO happens to encounter Clark Kent in any capacity? Astronomical, imo. At any rate, common sense would direct MOST people to look at this maskless alien from another planet that's always flying around and saving lives and think, "that's just who he is." Because they are given absolutely no reason to suspect him of living a double life.

Am I saying there's no one out there who would figure out his secret? No. Of course someone will at some point. But it will likely be someone who has actually encountered Superman. And for most people, "encountering" Superman means being saved by him. So that rare person who does find out about Clark Kent's existence and figure out that he's also Superman will more than likely protect that secret. Or exploit it in a nefarious plot - these are comics after all.

But the point is, there are so many factors working against the public figuring it out (his lack of disguise leaving out any suggestions that he might lead a double life; the unlikelihood of anyone encountering both personae; the likelihood that in the rare occurrence that they do, they'll be an ally not looking to expose him; the fact that Superman's not an actor or model starring in movies/TV/photoshoots that people see in clear close-ups all the time, so his face won't be as easily recognizable as most other public figures; the fact that it's always easier to believe this person you've met looks like a famous person than it is to believe they actually are that famous person, especially when they're not at all behaving like that famous person; Clark's efforts to intentionally blend in and make himself seem as unmemorable as possible; etc.), that I have absolutely no problem suspending my disbelief to that end.

That's an argument I was going to make...but are we sure they actually won't have him do this? I'm not familiar with the comics, but given his Boy Scout image, it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that they might want to win him over to the public by having a photo op with the president or something like that.

I mean, from what we hear of this Clark, he's not apt to do that sort of thing, he'd rather blend in...but you never know...

Overall Cavill's accent is excellent so far and any slips are not distracting at all. Heck, I found Gary Oldman's slips in TDK/TDKR more noticeable and he's considered by many I know as one hell of an accent maestro. I also heard no complaints of Cavill's accent from the screening reactions.

That's really the most important part. The slips aren't distracting. But what do I know, I barely noticed Oldman's slips in TDK and TDKR.

For you men out there, all I have to say is "Watch it", Henry's image is gonna snatch your girls image in her dreams, then she's gonna have to wake up looking at YOU"!!! Lmao

All I have to say is..... I warned ya!!!

My husband is gone for a week, to visit his family upstate. I will next see him after I've stuffed plenty of Henry into my hungry eyeballs, because it will be after the midnight screening.

He told me to have fun. That's why I love him.

 

[Vartha]

That's an argument I was going to make...but are we sure they actually won't have him do this? I'm not familiar with the comics, but given his Boy Scout image, it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that they might want to win him over to the public by having a photo op with the president or something like that.

I mean, from what we hear of this Clark, he's not apt to do that sort of thing, he'd rather blend in...but you never know...


That's really the most important part. The slips aren't distracting. But what do I know, I barely noticed Oldman's slips in TDK and TDKR.


My husband is gone for a week, to visit his family upstate. I will next see him after I've stuffed plenty of Henry into my hungry eyeballs, because it will be after the midnight screening.

He told me to have fun. That's why I love him.

What are you going to say when Dark World comes out? lol

 

[Anita18]

What are you going to say when Dark World comes out? lol

I actually thought George Kirk Chris Hemsworth was hotter than Thor Chris Hemsworth.

What can I say, I like 'em kind of boring. I wanted to bone Captain America (of all people!) in Avengers.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I actually thought George Kirk Chris Hemsworth was hotter than Thor Chris Hemsworth.

What can I say, I like 'em kind of boring. I wanted to bone Captain America (of all people!) in Avengers.

Me tooo!

 

[J.Howlett]

Guys and gals, you have to read this. I found it hysterical. http://www.laineygossip.com/Henry-Cavill-will-cause-riots-hes-so-beautiful-in-Superman/27123

 

[Anita18]

Me tooo!

It also doesn't hurt that my husband looks like pre-serum Steve...although with some more weight on.

I'm not a huge fan of muscle, but he was just so adorably earnest!

Guys and gals, you have to read this. I found it hysterical. http://www.laineygossip.com/Henry-Cavill-will-cause-riots-hes-so-beautiful-in-Superman/27123

Luckily MOS is aimed toward guys. I think the true hysteria is reserved for actors who have done cheesy romance movies. Titanic, anyone? And of course, Twilight. (Ryan Gosling is another example, but apparently The Notebook was not schlocky enough! Gosling is relatively unscathed, considering the circumstances.) I think Henry is okay if he sticks to manly man movies.

If not, his girl Gina could help protect him!

 

[KingKane88]

My husband is gone for a week, to visit his family upstate. I will next see him after I've stuffed plenty of Henry into my hungry eyeballs, because it will be after the midnight screening.

He told me to have fun. That's why I love him.

Wow! Well, you enjoy your alone time with Henry! Lol I would come back with something but this forum is rated "PG"... All i can say to you is....Enjoy the vibrations!!! Lmao

 

[J.Howlett]

If not, his girl Gina could help protect him!

I was just about to post that. The ladies have no chance if Gina's within a few feet. They're toast.

 

[DKDetective]

I was just about to post that. The ladies have no chance if Gina's within a few feet. They're toast.

Well, Olivia Harrison provided the same protection for the late great George Harrison. When George Harrison was attacked by a deranged fan with a knife in their home, Olivia beat the guy off with a lamp and a fireplace poker. If I recall correctly, Eric Clapton called Harrison up in the hospital while he was recuperating and asked him something to the effect of, "Aren't you glad you married a Mexican woman?" t:

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

But at that very basic level you speak of, in order for someone to positively identify Clark as Superman with absolute certainty, they would actually need to meet both Clark AND Superman. That's a VERY narrow field of candidates. Perhaps only one: Lois. Possibly Perry White. It's not like Clark Kent is famous in any way, so most people who encounter Superman will never even know Clark Kent exists, and most people Clark encounters will only know Superman by photos (and let's' face it, he won't be doing photoshoots or deliberately giving people nice clear close-ups to dissect and analyze) and footage in the media. The most that comparison would elicit is a, "anybody ever tell you you look like Superman?" And of course there would be plenty of guys out there who resemble Superman, just as there are in real life, so people noticing the resemblance is just not a big deal, especially for a guy who is otherwise so "unremarkable" like Clark.

So even if those people "think outside the box" as you say...what are they thinking? That Superman might have another life? Ok sure, every now and then someone may think that. But what are the odds that that "outside the box" thinker ALSO happens to encounter Clark Kent in any capacity? Astronomical, imo. At any rate, common sense would direct MOST people to look at this maskless alien from another planet that's always flying around and saving lives and think, "that's just who he is." Because they are given absolutely no reason to suspect him of living a double life.

Am I saying there's no one out there who would figure out his secret? No. Of course someone will at some point. But it will likely be someone who has actually encountered Superman. And for most people, "encountering" Superman means being saved by him. So that rare person who does find out about Clark Kent's existence and figure out that he's also Superman will more than likely protect that secret. Or exploit it in a nefarious plot - these are comics after all.

But the point is, there are so many factors working against the public figuring it out (his lack of disguise leaving out any suggestions that he might lead a double life; the unlikelihood of anyone encountering both personae; the likelihood that in the rare occurrence that they do, they'll be an ally not looking to expose him; the fact that Superman's not an actor or model starring in movies/TV/photoshoots that people see in clear close-ups all the time, so his face won't be as easily recognizable as most other public figures; the fact that it's always easier to believe this person you've met looks like a famous person than it is to believe they actually are that famous person, especially when they're not at all behaving like that famous person; Clark's efforts to intentionally blend in and make himself seem as unmemorable as possible; etc.), that I have absolutely no problem suspending my disbelief to that end.

I would hope that Superman avoids photoshoots and such in this reimagining of the mythos. However, in several previous incarnations, the character actually has partaken in these type of activities, so it's difficult to say what might happen now. Another thing is that we live in an increasingly more invasive society: mobile phone photography, for example, is the norm these days. Phones are being hacked into and calls are being monitored. Red-light cameras are all over the place. There's really no such thing as privacy any more.

You say that someone would be hard-pressed to identify Superman unless he/she saw him in person? I disagree. Superman's not Batman. He doesn't operate in the shadows. He doesn't wear a mask, which is one of the reasons comic purists cry foul if an actor portraying him isn't made up to match the character's notable phenotypic traits to a tee. And why is Superman against wearing a mask in the first place? Because he truly wants people to see his face. And in terms of identifying someone, that's really all you need. When a child is missing or a wanted criminal is on the loose, what is it that we see on milk cartons and wanted ads? The head of the person in question. Do we already know these people in advance? No. Can we still identify them based on a single head shot? Sure. What have old school anthropologists like Carleton S. Coon commonly focused on in distinguishing various racial types from each other? Cranial morphology. That's where it all starts.

Moreover, we live in a society where people are obsessed with ANYONE in the public eye. Consider the rise of popularity in reality-based shows. Can you imagine what people would do if they became aware of the existence of a guy like Superman?? They would be all over him. There would be a conscious effort to scrutinize every little thing he does. The world would likely be changed forever.

Now, lets say someone recognizes him in the supermarket and takes his picture; then tries to sell that picture to some popular trash mag. People are going to start talking. And Superman's not going to want that kind of scrutiny in his life. His secret identity would be immediately compromised. That's why I think it would be a nice thing to see some real thought put into the Clark Kent civilian disguise -- something subtle, but effective. In addition, it would make sense for Kent to be a lot more low-key than he's portrayed in previous incarnations.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I actually thought George Kirk Chris Hemsworth ..

Some people didn't even know Hems was in the movie [Star Trek]. They thought Pine portrayed dual roles.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think Evans is sexy as all get so I am all on that Captain America bandwagon. I just love Evans as Cap to be honest. But Hemsworth is a mega hottie as well. I'm happy both are in one film.

Depending on how I feel about Cavil's performance he might top them. Acting talent makes actors hotter to me. Totally independent of any talent he has, he is just super hot to me.