Supergirl Katie McGrath IS Lena Luthor!

[Dr.]

...With Katie, that quotient gets upgraded and with some British humour mixed in, which can at times be a bit spicy.

Irish is not British.

 

[flickchick85]

Yes.....I like her spunk.

Ha, indeed.

Also, I looked up interviews with her on YouTube to see if she's as amusing as she seemed in print, and I found this gem:



So yeah, she'd better come to SDCC this year.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Katie at the King Arthur London premiere:

 

[Osiris-Rex]

I would be deeply, deeply irked if they have Lena go evil. "Drop the show" level irked. Not only would it be wasting a great character dynamic, but the only comprehensible prior foreshadowing? The simple fact that she's a Luthor, with apparently blood being destiny. "You have a blood relation with a villain, therefore you *must* also become a villain" is not acceptable writing.

Just like everyone was convinced Winn would turn evil because he had the same name as Toyman.

 

[Dark Raven]

Katie at the King Arthur London premiere:

Is she just attending or is she actually in the film?

Can you believe David Beckham has a small cameo in it.

 

[Dr Lee]

my guess is she's just attending because of her role in Merlin

 

[DarthSkywalker]

She's in the movie according to IMDB.

 

[Dark Raven]

She could actually have played Silver Banshee and used her native Irish accent.

 

[Thome216]

Gorgeous!

As to whether she is evil because she's a Luthor (which she isn't by blood) it is more likely a matter of nurture. Children raised with questionable ethics will more than likely use those questionable ethics, unless they find a more positive role model.

Lena is written as wanting to do good, but also fighting against those ingrained morals.

 

[flickchick85]

We learned in "Luthors" that she is indeed a Luthor by blood.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

We learned in "Luthors" that she is indeed a Luthor by blood.

So it boils down to did Lex inherit the evil gene from Lionel or Lillian? Going by current evidence it seems to be from Lillian. Thus maybe Lena didn't inherit the evil gene.
Though Lionel was a philanderer and didn't acknowledge Lena's existence until her mother died. So Lionel was no saint either.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't subscribe to this "evil gene" nonsense, lol. Lex is an ego-maniacal monster because he was raised to be one. Lillian and Lionel's golden boy. Lena seems to have been diminished and devalued at every turn, so it makes sense she'd turn out differently.

 

[Wildcard]

Katie at the King Arthur London premiere:

Absolutely stunning. Had no idea 'til now that she was involved with this film, though.

 

[metaphysician]

I don't subscribe to this "evil gene" nonsense, lol. Lex is an ego-maniacal monster because he was raised to be one. Lillian and Lionel's golden boy. Lena seems to have been diminished and devalued at every turn, so it makes sense she'd turn out differently.

Exactly. The show does well to *not* turn into such offensive tripe. Especially when they flirted with some genuine grossness already in the "infected J'onn" subplot.

 

[flickchick85]

It seems Katie and I are of the same mindset regarding how Lena should react when she finds out the truth about Kara:

McGrath: I think we've seen with Lena that she's more understanding to the plight of aliens than anyone else in her family is. I think it would be hard for her not to feel betrayed by the fact that her friend has kept this secret from her, but knowing her history with the Luthors I hope she would understand why Kara has done it.
Ultimately, a lot of Lena's energies are so different from her family. She will react to it in keeping with that idea that, "I am not my brother and I am not my mother. You are who you are. You're my best friend and I still love you." That's what I'm thinking, but here's hoping!

http://www.tvguide.com/news/supergirl-katie-mcgrath-lena-luthor-interview/

 

[Dark Raven]

It seems Katie and I are of the same mindset regarding how Lena should react when she finds out the truth about Kara:



http://www.tvguide.com/news/supergirl-katie-mcgrath-lena-luthor-interview/

Well that better be her reaction and not somehow suddenly turning evil.

But what if she reacts in a Tumblr way and it leads to a kiss between them and more?

 

[Wildcard]

Dude, just stop. This is Supergirl, not softcore porn, man.

 

[Dark Raven]

Dude, just stop. This is Supergirl, not softcore porn, man.

Hey, I'm not in favour of that. But that's what we keep getting with Olicity because it's driven by Tumblr, and their fans seem to dictate everything that happens in the Arrowverse. We have to endure whole scenes of that in Arrow.

And Tumblr fans seem to be in favour of SuperCorp or whatever they call them.

 

[Wildcard]

What does any of that have to do with introducing a love angle between two characters in Supergirl that is completely unnecessary outside of satisfying the teenage-esque urges of some? Tumblr or no Tumblr, such an angle is completely unnecessary and would reek of the poorest of story-telling.

Kara and Lena should be friends. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Dark Raven]

What does any of that have to do with introducing a love angle between two characters in Supergirl that is completely unnecessary outside of satisfying the teenage-esque urges of some? Tumblr or no Tumblr, such an angle is completely unnecessary and would reek of the poorest of story-telling.

Kara and Lena should be friends. Nothing more, nothing less.

But the Arrowverse does often have poor storytelling and completely unnecessary angles. The Olicity scenes are particularly like bad fan fiction, but they don't just gloss over those scenes but subject us to extended moments between them.

And any moment of increased closeness between Kara and Supergirl usually gives way to hundreds of gifs on Tumblr where fans read more into it than there actually was in the scene. But the writers seem to particularly like to pander to these fans. If they didn't, we would never have had to endure Olicity. Even that name on Arrow comes from Tumblr.

 

[Wildcard]

But the thing about that is...you're trying to pass it off on Tumblr fans when here, on superherohype, YOU'RE the one that keeps trying to make this a topic of discussion.

 

[Dark Raven]

But the thing about that is...you're trying to pass it off on Tumblr fans when here, on superherohype, YOU'RE the one that keeps trying to make this a topic of discussion.

I mention it in the same way I talk about Scott Buck's creativity and love for costumes in the MCU.

 

[Loki882]

What have we seen Lena do so far:

-Be very charitable and work to solve problems. She uses her fortune to fight major problems builds hospitals for children, etc.
-She turned on her own mother to stop that latter's genocide attempt.
-She puts her own life on the line repeatedly to try and help out.
-She was willing to go through with that forced marriage, to save a bunch of kids in a hospital.
-Etc.

This is NOT a "morally grey" character. If she's meant to be, then the show has done a TERRIBLE job of actually showing it. What she played chess with Lex when they were kids, that simply shows how smart she is.

And again, having her go bad would be THE most predictable and cliché route that they could possibly go with this, on multiple levels. And it sends a terrible message as well.

Having Lena go bad basically sends the message that "don't bother trying to be your own person or make your own choices in life. Nope, it's all about your name. If your family is bad, then you're destined to be bad to, no matter what." And what a terrible message that would be.

Also it occurs to me that this would essentially be the same arc that Katie McGrath's character in Merlin went through. So it's predictable on that front as well.

 

[Dark Raven]

What have we seen Lena do so far:

-Be very charitable and work to solve problems. She uses her fortune to fight major problems builds hospitals for children, etc.
-She turned on her own mother to stop that latter's genocide attempt.
-She puts her own life on the line repeatedly to try and help out.
-She was willing to go through with that forced marriage, to save a bunch of kids in a hospital.
-Etc.

This is NOT a "morally grey" character. If she's meant to be, then the show has done a TERRIBLE job of actually showing it. What she played chess with Lex when they were kids, that simply shows how smart she is.

And again, having her go bad would be THE most predictable and cliché route that they could possibly go with this, on multiple levels. And it sends a terrible message as well.

Having Lena go bad basically sends the message that "don't bother trying to be your own person or make your own choices in life. Nope, it's all about your name. If your family is bad, then you're destined to be bad to, no matter what." And what a terrible message that would be.

Also it occurs to me that this would essentially be the same arc that Katie McGrath's character in Merlin went through. So it's predictable on that front as well.

She played in Merlin, and now she has a cameo in the King Arthur movie? She must really like that story.

 

[Kelly]

What have we seen Lena do so far:

-Be very charitable and work to solve problems. She uses her fortune to fight major problems builds hospitals for children, etc.
-She turned on her own mother to stop that latter's genocide attempt.
-She puts her own life on the line repeatedly to try and help out.
-She was willing to go through with that forced marriage, to save a bunch of kids in a hospital.
-Etc.

This is NOT a "morally grey" character. If she's meant to be, then the show has done a TERRIBLE job of actually showing it. What she played chess with Lex when they were kids, that simply shows how smart she is.

And again, having her go bad would be THE most predictable and cliché route that they could possibly go with this, on multiple levels. And it sends a terrible message as well.

Having Lena go bad basically sends the message that "don't bother trying to be your own person or make your own choices in life. Nope, it's all about your name. If your family is bad, then you're destined to be bad to, no matter what." And what a terrible message that would be.

Also it occurs to me that this would essentially be the same arc that Katie McGrath's character in Merlin went through. So it's predictable on that front as well.

That's just what we see on the surface....what lies beneath is the real question, that is something none of us can answer at this point. We have seen glimpses of it, but we have no idea what she is thinking....all we know of her is what she wants us to know. IMO, that is damn good writing.

What made the first season stand out is that all of the characters had layers to them and we were getting to see those layers peeled back a little at a time. This season all of the characters EXCEPT Lena have been very 1 dimensional, even Alex in that we saw different layers last year, all we have seen this year is emo-Alex. So the writers imo have lacked depth in all of the other characters except for Lena.