Supergirl Katie McGrath IS Lena Luthor!

[Loki882]

Nope, don't buy it. You still have to show hints at that, and the show has utterly failed to do so imo (if that's what they intended to do even). The "hints" are so pathetically small, and so easily explained in other way, it's nowhere near good-enough.

 

[Kelly]

Last scene of Luthors with the chess piece.
That scene alone evokes millions of questions.

 

[Robert_Anthony]

Better be careful Kel with all those questions because...to quote the late WWE wrestler Rowdy Roddy Piper

Just when you think you know the answers, I change the questions.

 

[BH/HHH]

Last scene of Luthors with the chess piece.
That scene alone evokes millions of questions.

What happened with the chess piece again?

Personally I don't think they've done enough to make it seem like she could even turn bad. They pretty much played that in the mid season finale when she double crossed her Mum. She has been pretty much a one nite character in my book. The writers have dropped the ball with her same as they have most aspects this season.

 

[Kelly]

What happened with the chess piece again?

Personally I don't think they've done enough to make it seem like she could even turn bad. They pretty much played that in the mid season finale when she double crossed her Mum. She has been pretty much a one nite character in my book. The writers have dropped the ball with her same as they have most aspects this season.

Nothing yet, I think that is coming in Season 3. AND, not necessarily an evil thing at all, but I think it will come into play.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think that if they end up making her evil, there is no getting around how cliche it is. But this is the Arrowverse, so yeah.

 

[Wildcard]

I think that if they end up making her evil, there is no getting around how cliche it is. But this is the Arrowverse, so yeah.

They'd literally be copying from Smallville.

But, like you said, this is the Arrowverse and they are no stranger to cliché stories.

Making her evil would likely kill all of the interest I have in the character. Because then she goes from Lena to Lex prototype.

 

[Dark Raven]

They'd literally be copying from Smallville.

But, like you said, this is the Arrowverse and they are no stranger to cliché stories.

Making her evil would likely kill all of the interest I have in the character. Because then she goes from Lena to Lex prototype.

Maybe she can get stabbed by Lex too, and before her last breath, inject him with some memory-wiping virus.

 

[BH/HHH]

Every story is pretty much recycled from previous stories, even if they did the Lena will she won't she thing. Sure it's similar the same as Smallville but it's been done on other stuff too. Also they don't have to do it the same way and infact wouldn't be. Because Tess started off bad and eventually became good, this way she'd be good and tempted by the bad like Lex was on Smallville. But the journey to her either staying good or turning bad can be done in different ways. I personally think it's too late to travel down that road now but they should have done IMO.

Nothing yet, I think that is coming in Season 3. AND, not necessarily an evil thing at all, but I think it will come into play.

So what did you mean about it? Cause I'm confused.

 

[Wildcard]

You're right, it is hard to present these stories without recycling elements. Though, in Lena's case, they have the opportunity to avoid that altogether by evading the whole "am I good, am I evil" dance.

I could always be wrong but I just feel she'll serve the show better being a good guy. There are enough villains as it is...she doesn't have to be one of them simply because of her family.

 

[Matt]

I think the appropriate place to take Lena is somewhere in the middle. I mean, let's put into perspective what has happened to her in the past few episodes. She was manipulated into building a gateway that allowed for an alien invasion. She was kidnapped by these aliens and forced into marriage to one of them. That is a lot to take in.

In the Supergirl world, there seems to be only two states of being: pro-alien or anti-alien. It should be a bit more complex than that (and it kind of was with Max Lord). Lena should become a character who doesn't necessarily want to commit genocide like her mother but also recognizes that this is her species's planet, it had just fought off a hostile take over and maybe there needs to be a bit more restrictions/better defense.

So yeah, I'd like to see her become an anti-hero/anti-villain type. Not quite villainous, not quite heroic. She can be a much needed grey area.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Every story is pretty much recycled from previous stories, even if they did the Lena will she won't she thing. Sure it's similar the same as Smallville but it's been done on other stuff too. Also they don't have to do it the same way and infact wouldn't be. Because Tess started off bad and eventually became good, this way she'd be good and tempted by the bad like Lex was on Smallville. But the journey to her either staying good or turning bad can be done in different ways. I personally think it's too late to travel down that road now but they should have done IMO.

Recycling elements is one thing. But to do the most CW thing possible with this storyline is something else. It would be the most obvious heel turn ever, even as it something that hasn't been built up.

I think the appropriate place to take Lena is somewhere in the middle. I mean, let's put into perspective what has happened to her in the past few episodes. She was manipulated into building a gateway that allowed for an alien invasion. She was kidnapped by these aliens and forced into marriage to one of them. That is a lot to take in.

In the Supergirl world, there seems to be only two states of being: pro-alien or anti-alien. It should be a bit more complex than that (and it kind of was with Max Lord). Lena should become a character who doesn't necessarily want to commit genocide like her mother but also recognizes that this is her species's planet, it had just fought off a hostile take over and maybe there needs to be a bit more restrictions/better defense.

So yeah, I'd like to see her become an anti-hero/anti-villain type. Not quite villainous, not quite heroic. She can be a much needed grey area.

I agree with Matt. I quite like this idea.

 

[BH/HHH]

Recycling elements is one thing. But to do the most CW thing possible with this storyline is something else. It would be the most obvious heel turn ever, even as it something that has been built up.

Well it would certainly beat the relationship dramas that are recycled.

End of the say superhero properties always recycle elements. You just have to make them interesting enough.

Personally I'd be down for them doing the whole is she or isn't she bad thing. It would be far more interesting than what they're doing with her now which is practically nothing,

 

[Kelly]

Every story is pretty much recycled from previous stories, even if they did the Lena will she won't she thing. Sure it's similar the same as Smallville but it's been done on other stuff too. Also they don't have to do it the same way and infact wouldn't be. Because Tess started off bad and eventually became good, this way she'd be good and tempted by the bad like Lex was on Smallville. But the journey to her either staying good or turning bad can be done in different ways. I personally think it's too late to travel down that road now but they should have done IMO.



So what did you mean about it? Cause I'm confused.

Lena at that moment, had been saved by Supergirl and had just shared a touching friendship moment with Kara. As soon as Kara leaves, we have a look, music, everything needed to portray a moment of pure "damn, she is cold blooded"....along with her own description of how she felt after her ex- died. She is very much a Luthor, with a strong almost obsessive need to be accepted, those two things along with that missing piece that we just don't know what to make of it (ie the chess piece scene) has kept her very much in the gray area and very hard to figure out.

 

[flickchick85]

I think the appropriate place to take Lena is somewhere in the middle. I mean, let's put into perspective what has happened to her in the past few episodes. She was manipulated into building a gateway that allowed for an alien invasion. She was kidnapped by these aliens and forced into marriage to one of them. That is a lot to take in.

In the Supergirl world, there seems to be only two states of being: pro-alien or anti-alien. It should be a bit more complex than that (and it kind of was with Max Lord). Lena should become a character who doesn't necessarily want to commit genocide like her mother but also recognizes that this is her species's planet, it had just fought off a hostile take over and maybe there needs to be a bit more restrictions/better defense.

So yeah, I'd like to see her become an anti-hero/anti-villain type. Not quite villainous, not quite heroic. She can be a much needed grey area.

I want to see her remain Kara's friend, but I wouldn't mind seeing this either. If they could become friends after their disagreement over the alien detection device, then I could see them maintaining a friendship despite their differing views on this.

 

[Matt]

I want to see her remain Kara's friend, but I wouldn't mind seeing this either. If they could become friends after their disagreement over the alien detection device, then I could see them maintaining a friendship despite their differing views on this.

Yeah, I definitely think it would add conflict to their friendship, but not necessarily destroy it. Plus it would be a pretty poignant metaphor as a lot of people have expressed turbulence in personal relationships due to political differences during and following the 2016 election.

 

[Kelly]

I want to see her remain Kara's friend, but I wouldn't mind seeing this either. If they could become friends after their disagreement over the alien detection device, then I could see them maintaining a friendship despite their differing views on this.

Yeah, I definitely think it would add conflict to their friendship, but not necessarily destroy it. Plus it would be a pretty poignant metaphor as a lot of people have expressed turbulence in personal relationships due to political differences during and following the 2016 election.

Bingo......

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I like how someone expect nuance on a Berlanti show.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

I like how someone expect nuance on a Berlanti show.

Just keep the Flash writers away from Supergirl and everything will be fine.

 

[BH/HHH]

Lena at that moment, had been saved by Supergirl and had just shared a touching friendship moment with Kara. As soon as Kara leaves, we have a look, music, everything needed to portray a moment of pure "damn, she is cold blooded"....along with her own description of how she felt after her ex- died. She is very much a Luthor, with a strong almost obsessive need to be accepted, those two things along with that missing piece that we just don't know what to make of it (ie the chess piece scene) has kept her very much in the gray area and very hard to figure out.

I haven't seen anything cold blooded from Lena at all. She might be a Luthor in that she's obsessive with her goals and persistent but they haven't shown anything truly which implies she could turn evil imo. The only time they did was when she actually double crosses her Mum and that was clear she was playing that out because it was in everyone else's best interests that she played that one out.

 

[flickchick85]

Exactly, they give us "shady looks" but literally ZERO actions to suspect anything shady about Lena. Every single action she's taken has made sense and was in the service of good. And they've given us waaaaay to many examples of her drive to good (both past and present) for me to ever buy her going evil at this point. That ship has sailed. I especially can't see one big lie from a friend being the thing that ultimately turns her, considering all the far more traumatic stuff she's already endured and come out of with her moral compass 100% intact.

But a more "grey" view on aliens from her? THAT I can buy after all this. But that's about as "dark" as I can ever see her going. The character they've built simply doesn't have any actual villainy in her nature, imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Can she be too grey on aliens considering she is going to be marrying one in the near future?

 

[Loki882]

They'd literally be copying from Smallville.

But, like you said, this is the Arrowverse and they are no stranger to cliché stories.

Making her evil would likely kill all of the interest I have in the character. Because then she goes from Lena to Lex prototype.

They'd also be copying Katie McGrath's character's arc from Merlin as well.

And my larger problem with it is that it basically sends to message of "screw trying to be your own person and make your own way. You're family is bad, so you're destined to be bad to, no matter what. So don't even bother trying." It's a really boring and uninteresting way to go.

Now her being somewhat more morally grey than Kara and co, and being willing to go further if she feels it's needed, THAT I can maybe buy depending on how they do it. Also it could cause some conflicts between her and Kara without completely destroying their bond/friendship as well.

 

[Kelly]

I haven't seen anything cold blooded from Lena at all. She might be a Luthor in that she's obsessive with her goals and persistent but they haven't shown anything truly which implies she could turn evil imo. The only time they did was when she actually double crosses her Mum and that was clear she was playing that out because it was in everyone else's best interests that she played that one out.

She herself described herself as cold blooded like her adopted mother.

 

[Kelly]

They don't have to make her evil in order to give her character more layers than just being Kara's BFF...if that is all she is, she will be a very boring character along the lines of James.