Man Of Steel Soars @ Comic Con - Part 2

[hopefuldreamer]

A random question just out of my own curiosity: why a train? Is it just because we've seen him handle cars and planes?

I dunno, I guess it just seems like a setting that could really work at creating that whole atmosphere of terror before Superman shows up.

Especially if it was in a tunnel/underground. All that darkness, people panicking in a confined space, echoeing screams etc.

If you use a plane, it's always gonna be about the spectacle that is him flying. I want something more grounded, more focused on him as a tangible hero, and less about showing off his powers.

Cause if a train crashes in a tunnel, helping people isn't just about one superfeat. It's lifting wreckage off people/carrying unconscious people to safety/putting out fires etc carriage by carriage.

 

[Willi Berg]

I think that picture of Cavill wearing the suit and posing alongside a small kid (supposedly an extra I think) was said to have been taken at a train station set..

I recall someone posting a set pic of them filming at a train station.

Yes, there were train station scenes from Grand Central Station Chicago and that's where shots were taken of Michael Shannon as Zod in his black suit (similar to Superman's):

- There is a scene in Plano where Superman gets a train thrown at him. I think the train was made out of Styrofoam. A gas station also blows up.

That's right, there were early reports that a train crashes in Plano/Smallville where:

Spoiler

they built a Sears store that was destroyed by the train. And there were also the pics of the 7-11 being destroyed.

 

[G.Godfrey]

The leaked call sheet awhile back listed Rich Cerrone as Tor-An. A Kryptonian and a member of the military guild serving under General Zod.

IMDB briefly listed Revard Dufresne as the Kryptonian renegade Dev-Em but they're very unreliable.

Still, I think it's possible there are more Kyptonians then Zod and Faora.

Yep, Tor-An is listed on that call sheet. And let's not forget, Zod will have his own space ship on earth, one that has the firepower to cause mass destruction. So if he has a large enough ship for that, it would be silly if it was just him and Faora on it. Especially since Shannon said the General part of the character is his big focus. I'd expect him to have more than just Faora under his command. Who knows what could be in his ship, in some ´´cryostasis`` just waiting to be awakened. t:

And if Zod has any of his soldiers with him, they obviously wouldn't be considered as an additional villain(s), it would be the same situation as Ra's Al Ghul coming to Gotham with his lackeys from the LOS.

One thing is for sure, too many hard evidence supports that it isn't just Zod and Faora. I am not a betting man but I would bet my house on that, right here and now. t:

 

[Herolee10]

I'm starting to wonder on what the budget is for this film. I honestly can't see this being lower than 190 Million; heck, I read that "The Amazing Spider-Man" had a over 200 million dollar budget for their production.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I wonder exactly how many Kryptonians we're talking about here. And the fortress as well. Did a Kryptonian device build it ala the crystal/Eradicator or was it there all along as some sort of outpost?

 

[G.Godfrey]

I'm starting to wonder on what the budget is for this film. I honestly can't see this being lower than 190 Million; heck, I read that "The Amazing Spider-Man" had a over 200 million dollar budget for their production.

It says 175 million on IMDb but I don't believe it. In some MOS article (or related, can't remember right now) on Variety not long ago, they stated that MOS is 200+ million production which sounds much more plausible given everything we know about the film. I'd say that it's between the 220-250 million range. If it's only 175, it means all those battle scenes will be helluva short and uneventful and I doubt WB would risk that just to save 50 million.

 

[Willi Berg]

I wonder exactly how many Kryptonians we're talking about here. And the fortress as well. Did a Kryptonian device build it ala the crystal/Eradicator or was it there all along as some sort of outpost?

I'm thinking it has to do with all the Kryptonian tech Clark has and figures out.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Honestly I'm actually surprised they included it, with all this talk of a relatable Superman, the less alien the better, which means no fortress, just an apartment in Metropolis and nothing else. After all, that was the reason it wasn't initially included in The Man of Steel miniseries. It went from being an actual place to a metaphor for Clark's glasses and human identity.

 

[Willi Berg]

IMDB briefly listed Revard Dufresne as the Kryptonian renegade Dev-Em but they're very unreliable.

I remember this guy being listed too. And he has worked with Snyder before on "Sucker Punch." Who knows...His name may have been removed on imdb because it's untrue or because they're trying to keep some villain details under wraps.

 

[Willi Berg]

Honestly I'm actually surprised they included it, with all this talk of a relatable Superman, the less alien the better, which means no fortress, just an apartment in Metropolis and nothing else. After all, that was the reason it wasn't initially included in The Man of Steel miniseries. It went from being an actual place to a metaphor for Clark's glasses and human identity.

I was surprised too, until the Comic-Con footage. But they can't leave out the sci-fi/alien aspect, and all the Kryptonian tech. can help explain a lot. And it's good to contrast with all the serious, realistic Earth stuff. To show how different a place Clark really comes from.

 

[Herolee10]

I just hope that Zod's presence on Earth isn't because Clark did something that accidentally released them. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not too fond of stories where the hero is directly responsible for the havoc and chaos caused upon his world because of him having unintentionally released the given villain. It kind of makes it hard for me to root for the hero since even when the hero does succeed in defeating the villain, for me..it's just him cleaning up the mess that he started and not so much of him stopping a evil threat that would have destroyed many lives if he/she weren't there to stop that given villain.

 

[Willi Berg]

I just hope that Zod's presence on Earth isn't because Clark did something that accidentally released them. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not too fond of stories where the hero is directly responsible for the havoc and chaos caused upon his world because of him having unintentionally released the given villain. It kind of makes it hard for me to root for the hero since even when the hero does succeed in defeating the villain, for me..it's just him cleaning up the mess that he started and not so much of him stopping a evil threat that would have destroyed many lives if he/she weren't there to stop that given villain.

I was wondering if Clark does release them, or if it is like earlier reports, that Zod and co. track Clark's ship signal to Earth. Maybe it's because Clark activates his ship and the Kryptonian tech and that's what gets their attention?

 

[Herolee10]

I was wondering if Clark does release them, or if it is like earlier reports, that Zod and co. track Clark's ship signal to Earth. Maybe it's because Clark activates his ship and the Kryptonian tech and that's what gets their attention?

I could handle the latter option if they had to go the route; but I would prefer for it not to be a Superman II scenario, where Clark does something that releases the villains from captivity by accident.

 

[Willi Berg]

I could handle the latter option if they had to go the route; but I would prefer for it not to be a Superman II scenario, where Clark does something that releases the villains from captivity by accident.

You have a point. I hope there is a good explanation why Zod and friends arrive at that point in time.

What if he were to release them on purpose? Cause he's lonely!

 

[BH/HHH]

I don't really know how else you'd do it if they come from the phantom zone.

 

[Herolee10]

You have a point. I hope there is a good explanation why Zod and friends arrive at that point in time.

If Zod and co. really do have spaceships as described by some set descriptions, then it would mean that they've obviously been travelling around the universe, since if they were just to be freed from captivity on Earth, then they wouldn't need to have vehicles since they could just fly around.

Plus, with Zod's access to kryptonian technology, it seems like he had some supplies in stored as well.

 

[Willi Berg]

If Zod and co. really do have spaceships as described by some set descriptions, then it would mean that they've obviously been travelling around the universe, since if they were just to be freed from captivity on Earth, then they wouldn't need to have vehicles since they could just fly around.

Plus, with Zod's access to kryptonian technology, it seems like he had some supplies in stored as well.

Good point, we're seeing Zod and co. supposedly causing a lot of destruction with a ship, and he supposedly does bring Clark and Lois to his ship, which wouldn't be from the Phantom Zone.

 

[BH/HHH]

Good point, we're seeing Zod and co. supposedly causing a lot of destruction with a ship, and he supposedly does bring Clark and Lois to his ship, which wouldn't be from the Phantom Zone.

Ahhh that'd be quite interesting.

 

[Herolee10]

So given on how the trailer essentially confirmed that Superman won't be met with universal acceptance like he's been known for in past films, do you think that the character should be allowed to win over the trust of the people by the end of the film, or should that be something that spans over within the trilogy?

 

[BH/HHH]

So given on how the trailer essentially confirmed that Superman won't be met with universal acceptance like he's been known for in past films, do you think that the character should be allowed to win over the trust of the people by the end of the film, or should that be something that spans over within the trilogy?

Maybe the people do trust him but not the government and in the sequel Lex Luthor tests that.

 

[Herolee10]

Maybe the people do trust him but not the government and in the sequel Lex Luthor tests that.

That would be interesting. i do hope though that IF there is a scene where superman receives a standing ovation from the people, that it's something that feels earned and not given to him just because he's superman.lol

on another note, IF Zod did have access to Kryptonian spaceships, then I wonder why other Kryptonians weren't able to make it off the planet when it exploded..hmm...makes you wonder.lol

 

[Willi Berg]

on another note, IF Zod did have access to Kryptonian spaceships, then I wonder why other Kryptonians weren't able to make it off the planet when it exploded..hmm...makes you wonder.lol

There have been explanations in the comics and cartoons where the Council refuse to let Jor-El devise an escape plan for everyone, since they don't believe him. And in the animated series Brainiac keeps the info. about Krypton's destruction secret, because he knows there's no hope or time to evacuate everyone (he just wants to store Krypton knowledge.) So I guess Zod and co. manage to just escape last minute, if they do escape by ship.

Another theory recently was that there was a war on Krypton that caused its destruction? And Zod would be part of that, so could've escaped.

If Zod was ever in the Phantom Zone, they could've escaped some time beforehand and made their way to Earth? (Yes, it does make you wonder!)

 

[Herolee10]

There have been explanations in the comics and cartoons where the Council refuse to let Jor-El devise an escape plan for everyone, since they don't believe him. And in the animated series Brainiac keeps the info. about Krypton's destruction secret, because he knows there's no hope or time to evacuate everyone (he just wants to store Krypton knowledge.) So I guess Zod and co. manage to just escape last minute, if they do escape by ship.

Another theory recently was that there was a war on Krypton that caused its destruction? And Zod would be part of that, so could've escaped.

If Zod was ever in the Phantom Zone, they could've escaped some time beforehand and made their way to Earth? (Yes, it does make you wonder!)

If Zod was indeed responsible for the destruction of Krypton, it definitely does add more weight to his eventual battles with Superman, and how Superman's victory over him will have that much more meaning for it if he's able to avenge the lives of his entire race, his family included.

 

[UaalaDan]

Maybe the ship is a floating prison,a phantom zone, sent off to space before Krypton's destruction.Maybe that's how Kryptonians dealt with war prisoners. By sending them to die in the vacuum of space under cryogenic sleep.

I can't wait to see how they deal with Krypton this time around.

 

[Herolee10]

Indeed; I'm also hoping that we'll have some high suspenseful scenes in this film; I'm not talking so much about big scale action scenes as opposed to how they're presented...like moments where Superman has to reach something by a certain time (I guess similar to how he was racing to get to Lois on time in S:TM) but larger in scale and more diverse in what he's required to do in order to make the save.

Just something that definitely keeps us on our seats, making us wonder on what's going to happen next; being unpredictable..that type of thing.lol

Yes I know...I didn't make much sense above.lol