The Avengers The Avengers Box-Office Prediction Thread - Part 6

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TA's 3-D boost ended up being an extra $28-29M on it's OW so figuring the larger number then TA's OW would have been roughly $178.4M w/o any 3-D(but could really be as high as $180M if the lower figure is more accurate). Can TDKR beat either of those two figures? We'll see but it's hardly a lock for either and it has no chance of beating TA's $207.4M w/ 3-D number, IMO.


It's tracking in the 180s now in some places so it definitely has potentially to be over $200m or close to it. Though tracking has been all over the place recently both far too high and far too low. A lot of the wacky $230-50 predictions seem to be coming from people who had up their minds that TDKR was going to be the biggest film of the year (possibly ever) the second it was announced and can't quite imagine it failing to do that, so if Avengers grosses $207m that must mean TDKR can easily beat it and will make $200m look like the new $150m. That said I thought $200m opening day predictions were insanity so who the hell knows. Spider-Man opening up right in the middle between them is going to be interesting.

So after this weekend not long to go at all to $600m. Might take a bit as it will start limping soon but even then not that far off.

It should be in the home stretch after this weekend, although it remains to be seen what affect Prometheus and Madagascar 3 have on it's legs.
 
Spider-Man opening up right in the middle between them is going to be interesting.
Spider-man might hurt TDKR. Apparently it's not the total train wreck early buzz indicated. 7/10 with great 3D seems to be the ballpark. If kids and families dig the humor/fun, it might hurt the inevitably moody, less family-friendly TDKR.

TA will be virtually done by the start of July so neither Spidey or Batman are gonna hurt it. Madagascar might though. I see that opening around $65-70m.
 
Yikes!

http://www.deadline.com/2012/06/the...-and-the-dictator-sink-in-profit-tally-kagan/

Marvel's The Avengers soars big time! Two of only eight films to make a profit!

Only 2 of 8 major movies released last month are clearly destined to make a profit — and one of them is, surprise, Marvel’s The Avengers — according to SNL Kagan’s latest monthly tally.

The firm says that The Avengers is likely to generate more than $2 billion in revenues from all sources (excluding merchandise sales) on total costs of $473.2 million. The 4.24 ratio of expected revenues over costs is well above the 1.75 threshold that Kagan says establishes a film as clearly profitable.

To account for revenue splits, expenses and variables that analysts can’t determine, the firm classifies films with a ratio of less than 1.75 but more than 1.40 as being in a gray area while those below 1.40 are deemed probably unprofitable.

By that measure, Fox Searchlight’s The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel fared well, with a ratio of 2.60 ($169.6M in revenues on $65.2M in costs). Columbia’s Men In Black 3 is on the bubble with 1.53 ($687.2M over $450.0M). Films likely to spill red ink include include Universal’s Battleship ($450M over $401.8M), Paramount’s The Dictator ($171.6M over $176.1M), Warner Bros’ Dark Shadows ($279.3M over $293.4M), Warner Bros’ Chernobyl Diaries ($59.4M over $87.4M), and Lionsgate’s What To Expect When You’re Expecting ($66.8M over $121.5M).
 
A lot of the films that came out in May just shouldn't have been made and I hope this helps get the message across.
 
Spider-man might hurt TDKR. Apparently it's not the total train wreck early buzz indicated. 7/10 with great 3D seems to be the ballpark. If kids and families dig the humor/fun, it might hurt the inevitably moody, less family-friendly TDKR.

TA will be virtually done by the start of July so neither Spidey or Batman are gonna hurt it. Madagascar might though. I see that opening around $65-70m.

That will be very interesting. My thoughts have always been that people are overpredicting for TDKR simply because they are not factoring in the draw that Heath was and the Joker was. Tom Hardy is a great actor, but you don't ever see his face in the film, and Bane is a weak villain.

I don't know how familiar the general audience is with Lizard, but it could be a very interesting showdown.
 
Tom Hardy is a great actor, but you don't ever see his face in the film, and Bane is a weak villain.
I think Bane will be a great villain, but possibly not so much for the kids and family crowd.
 
Whether Tom Hardy's face is revealed in the film or not doesn't matter for GA since a lot of them aren't familiar with him. However, a lot of his expressions are muted since half his face is covered, but then again that's Bane's character.
 
Spider-man might hurt TDKR. Apparently it's not the total train wreck early buzz indicated. 7/10 with great 3D seems to be the ballpark. If kids and families dig the humor/fun, it might hurt the inevitably moody, less family-friendly TDKR.

I've always believed that TASM was being terribly underestimated in terms of its chances at hurting TDKR, which was already facing an uphill battle as it is in its quest to topple TA's OW record. We might be looking at a TA/MIB3 type situation here. If TASM is as half as emotionally resonant as the early screening tweets say, that could even take the wind out of the sails of one of TDKR's key selling points.
 
I don't know how familiar the general audience is with Lizard, but it could be a very interesting showdown.


Actually the GA doesn't really care who the villain is, all they want to see is to Spidey kick some ass.
 
Don't agree. The film needs to make the audience want to see the hero take the villain down. That's why Loki getting pulverized by Hulk goes over like gangbusters: Loki has been acting like an arrogant *****e. They want to see him taken down, and love it when it happens.

A movie like this needs the audience to feel antagonism towards the villain... that's why he's called the antagonist. :p
 
Yikes!

http://www.deadline.com/2012/06/the...-and-the-dictator-sink-in-profit-tally-kagan/

Marvel's The Avengers soars big time! Two of only eight films to make a profit!

This is why it is very risky for Fox to try to proceed with reboots for both DD and FF, because either movie could become the next Battleship. Plus, despite FC's accolades (which did not make it into a box office phenomenon), I still don't have faith that Fox can do the other two franchises well.

Great to see TA had such a record-breaking month. It really saved Disney's bacon over their disasterous John Carter.
 
Disney owes Joss his own Inception-type project as a thank you.
 
Disney owes Joss his own Inception-type project as a thank you.

I would love to see something like that. There hasn't been anything he's done that I haven't liked. I even liked Dollhouse, which alot of people didn't care for.
 
I would love to see something like that. There hasn't been anything he's done that I haven't liked. I even liked Dollhouse, which alot of people didn't care for.
Please be Goners... Please be Goners...

I liked season 2 of Dollhouse a lot, well until the penultimate episode when they revealed the big bad and IMO screwed things up.
 
Please be Goners... Please be Goners...

I liked season 2 of Dollhouse a lot, well until the penultimate episode when they revealed the big bad and IMO screwed things up.

The thing with Joss (and JJ Abrams for that matter) is that he lets his deputies control the ship after a while on TV. He gradually drifts away and you can see the quality diminish. In Buffy season 2 he had 6 writing credits, in Buffy season 3 he had 5. Compare that to 1 in Buffy season 6. He barely wrote anything for Angel, leaving it all to David Greenwalt. For Dollhouse he wrote/co-wrote 4 episodes in season one and one in season 2. For Firefly he wrote 5 of the 14 episodes. Its not a coincidence that the less control he has the less good it is.
 
The thing with Joss (and JJ Abrams for that matter) is that he lets his deputies control the ship after a while on TV. He gradually drifts away and you can see the quality diminish. In Buffy season 2 he had 6 writing credits, in Buffy season 3 he had 5. Compare that to 1 in Buffy season 6. He barely wrote anything for Angel, leaving it all to David Greenwalt. For Dollhouse he wrote/co-wrote 4 episodes in season one and one in season 2. For Firefly he wrote 5 of the 14 episodes. Its not a coincidence that the less control he has the less good it is.
So true. The most blatant example has to be the year of Firefly, Buffy 7 and Angel 4. He spent most of his time on Firefly and his other shows suffered... badly. I mean, Kennedy.

Then Buffy finished, Firefly was cancelled and Joss went to work solely on Angel 5 - which is amazing.
 
Dollhouse was far from perfect, but the big reveal sort of solved one of my ongoing gripes about the show. Namely: wtf was
Boyd
doing in the middle of all this crazy ****?

My guess is it wouldve been more plausible if they had had a couple more seasons of foreshadowing and clue dropping. My two cents.

So does everyone think 600 million is a given now domestically?
 
I think it's a given yeah. Won't blow past it though. The pace will drop quite a lot now.
 
Should get to $600m by the end of the month.

Re Dollhouse. My problem with the big bad is that for 2 seasons he is stoical and sane and suddenly he's a total nutjob overnight when it suits the story.
 
So true. The most blatant example has to be the year of Firefly, Buffy 7 and Angel 4. He spent most of his time on Firefly and his other shows suffered... badly. I mean, Kennedy.

Then Buffy finished, Firefly was cancelled and Joss went to work solely on Angel 5 - which is amazing.

Season 7 of Buffy could have been amazing had Joss stayed the course, it was still better than 6 but he set up a killer season with Lessons. He promised us a full circle, more Faith, The Mayor and Drusilla, The return of Sunnydale High and it never really got off the ground. Also, I was offended at the continuing Spike crap after the attempted rape. Of course, Dawn continued to be a leech on the show but that was Joss' fault.

(I'm also bitter at Abrams for making us suffer that Felicity Season 4 for Alias :o)
 
Re Dollhouse. My problem with the big bad is that for 2 seasons he is stoical and sane and suddenly he's a total nutjob overnight when it suits the story.

Thats actually how most real life nut-jobs work... Never noticed that allmost everytime the news report an arrest on a brutal serial murderer co-workers, friends and neighbours state in disbelieve that he seemed to be "the most gentle and nice persona they know", or that so many abusers seem to be oh so charming once they leave the house where they beat their wivess and children to a pulp?

The ability to seem absolutely normal, even charming and morally impeccable is one of the greatest gifts of many, many real life psychopats.
 
The thing with Joss (and JJ Abrams for that matter) is that he lets his deputies control the ship after a while on TV. He gradually drifts away and you can see the quality diminish. In Buffy season 2 he had 6 writing credits, in Buffy season 3 he had 5. Compare that to 1 in Buffy season 6. He barely wrote anything for Angel, leaving it all to David Greenwalt. For Dollhouse he wrote/co-wrote 4 episodes in season one and one in season 2. For Firefly he wrote 5 of the 14 episodes. Its not a coincidence that the less control he has the less good it is.

Yes and no. Joss, acording to interviews and comentarys of other people than him, has written A LOT uncredited, he has even rewriten entire scripts without ever putting his name on the credit; he has directed a bunch of stuff on epiosdes suposedly directed by other people.

Yes, i do believe that season 1-4 was mostly left to Greenwalt, and sometimes it seems that season 6 and 7 of Buffy may have not gotten his entire attention; but it did a LOT; the entire "yellow crayon" speech in Grave was written, acording to NIcholas BRendon, by Joss himself, the Ending of Beneath you Was re-directed by him as he didnt like the end result and dirty girls was co-written by Drew and Whedon over a week-end and only credited to Drew. The list goes on...

So while i can get into the idea that he might not have been as hand on as before, his fingerprints are all over it, for better or for worse.

Also, acording to Olivia Williams, despite the little credit he gets in Dollhouse as writer/director, Whedon wrote all of Adele DEvitts scenes cause, and now im quoting her " because he was the only writer who could do the English thing without me sounding like I had a rod up my arse."

Whedon is a very HANDS ON producer. Its dificult to know how much control he really has, but its never small. Again, i FEEL less of him in someplaces, but he never really seems to leave the ship entirely.
 
Yes and no. Joss, acording to interviews and comentarys of other people than him, has written A LOT uncredited, he has even rewriten entire scripts without ever putting his name on the credit; he has directed a bunch of stuff on epiosdes suposedly directed by other people.
I think he completely rewrote Passion, also uncredited:

“Passion, it lies in all of us, sleeping... waiting... and though unwanted... unbidden... it will stir... open its jaws and howl. It speaks to us... guides us... passion rules us all, and we obey. What other choice do we have? Passion is the source of our finest moments. The joy of love... the clarity of hatred... and the ecstasy of grief. It hurts sometimes more than we can bear. If we could live without passion maybe we'd know some kind of peace... but we would be hollow... Empty rooms shuttered and dank. Without passion we'd be truly dead.”
 
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