BvS The Batsuit Thread - - Part 15

[hafizbat]

What exactly is confusing about it? How does Batman getting a visibly-upgraded Batsuit lack a purpose in a video game in which one of the player's many "purposes" is to continuously upgrade everything about Batman and his arsenal?

Batman getting a new suit in Arkham Knight does seem to lack a purpose now...because we know nothing about how or why he gets/needs it. We've already heard that he starts the game in the AA/AC suit and at some point dons a new one. I don't know, maybe there will be a purpose for it? Maybe it continues the literal and visual evolution of Batman throughout this else-worlds game series, rather than leaving him unchanged in appearance through it all?

I do find it a little funny that when armored-plating comes into play for Batman, it's referred to by some with words like "confusing" and "over-complicated". Doesn't really confuse me at all.

Finally, some rational thought

 

[ThePhantasm]

What exactly is confusing about it? How does Batman getting a visibly-upgraded Batsuit lack a purpose in a video game in which one of the player's many "purposes" is to continuously upgrade everything about Batman and his arsenal?

I didn't say that him getting a suit lacks a purpose, I was referring specifically to the overcomplicated nature of the aesthetic which seems to have no functional advantage. Stuff like the ridiculous bevel in the cowl and the weird lines on the neck, and the overall "sporty" football player look of the thing. But even if you explain the functionality of these things somehow, that doesn't negate the overall aesthetic critique. Having a purpose doesn't make something not ugly.

 

[Mutante]

What exactly is confusing about it?

It depends. Apparently he gets confused by something you and i don´t. We are all different.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Finally, some rational thought

Its rational I suppose, but doesn't really address what everyone has been discussing.

 

[ThePhantasm]

By "confusing" I don't mean in a logical sense, but in an aesthetic sense. I.e. they don't seem to be aiming for one aesthetic, but instead throwing a ton of different things in there that don't mesh well. It looks like a mess instead of looking like a unified concept of a suit. It is thus aesthetically confusing, almost like the designers ad-libbed the suit piece by piece instead of coming up with an overall look that they were shooting for. Its a visual mess, more overwhelming than interesting or inspired.

 

[Rorschach2012]

What "most circumstances?"

The fact is MOST people don't have a problem with TDK suit. It's not until I found this thread that I saw people found it bad, hence...whiny fanboys who have nothing better to do but pick apart every line and seam of every batsuit they see...for what reason exactly? Whats the point of *****ing over manips, fansuits and other crap that has nothing to do with the films or the comics? You don't like the new game suit, ****ing change the skin or get over the fact you hate the rivet on the left shoulder pad or whatever.

Whoa... can't believe i'm even going to respond, but....

well... by most circumstances, I guess i mean every time the suit was well lit. When it was dimly lit, the TDK suit looked good, but when you see the true nature of the design, it looks way overdesigned. Batman's costume is so easy to nail.

We like to ***** but really we're pretty easy to please. Durable cloth based material over top of a thicker under armor, with hard plating for the cowl, boots and gauntlets. The cape needs to look thick and heavy, and the batbelt should look functional, with capsules and pouches.

The batsuit is easy to get right. It's clear that the designers of Arkham Knight's suit and TDK suit just don't "get it". You can nail the costume easily, simple is better. As demonstrated by the Arkham City, Asylum and Origins suits

 

[ThePhantasm]

And see, no matter what the "in-story" explanation is, there is no realistic explanation for its functionality, because there's no way Batman could realistically move around in that thing. Its about as "realistic" as him fighting in his pajamas. The only reason people find this suit more appealing than pj-Batman is it looks complicated so they "think" it is "grounded" and "realistic." But its really cheesy, complicated, aethetically confused, and ugly.

 

[Rorschach2012]

And see, no matter what the "in-story" explanation is, there is no realistic explanation for its functionality, because there's no way Batman could realistically move around in that thing. Its about as "realistic" as him fighting in his pajamas. The only reason people find this suit more appealing than pj-Batman is it looks complicated so they "think" it is "grounded" and "realistic." But its really cheesy, complicated, aethetically confused, and ugly.

All those pieces jumbled together are really impractical, but it's funny because that look they are going for is supposed to convey practicality... strange...

 

[Mutante]

Batman's costume is so easy to nail.

It´s easy to nail in the comics, where you just have to draw a naked muscled body and paint it in grey. Achieving the same cool effect in reality is a whole different story.

 

[Rorschach2012]

It´s easy to nail in the comics, where you just have to draw a naked muscled body and painting it grey. Achieving the same cool effect in reality is a whole different story.

You're quite closed minded dude. The Man of Steel suit just proves you wrong.

Way to only quote that part of my post though. But yeah there are plenty of durable cloth like materials that would work well with Batman's usual design

 

[Mutante]

All those pieces jumbled together are really impractical

It´s not impractical. If he uses it, it´s because it´s practical to him.

 

[Mutante]

You're quite closed minded dude. The Man of Steel suit just proves you wrong. Dead wrong. Dead. Wrong.

Well, superman doesn´t need extra protection. Batman does.

 

[hafizbat]

The batsuit is easy to get right. It's clear that the designers of Arkham Knight's suit and TDK suit just don't "get it". You can nail the costume easily, simple is better. As demonstrated by the Arkham City, Asylum and Origins suits

You claim that the people who designed the AK suit "don't get it", then go on to say how the City and Asylum suits nailed it? All three were designed by the same people...

 

[The_Manhunter]

What's with the hate on the armor for the Batsuits? IMO those are the best ones.

 

[Rorschach2012]

It´s not impractical. If he uses it, it´s because it´s practical to him.

not gonna respond

You claim that the people who designed the AK suit "don't get it", then go on to say how the City and Asylum suits nailed it? All three were designed by the same people...

whatever . there is a clear difference between those suits. They at least "got it" when they were making Origins, City and Asylum, now they don't.

And uh do you have proof that they were all designed by the same people? I'd like to see some documentation regarding that. Until then.. I don't believe it!

 

[ThePhantasm]

It´s not impractical. If he uses it, it´s because it´s practical to him.

Good gosh.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Hey guys, I hear Batman dresses in a tu-tu in the next game. What, you think that's silly and impractical? Well the sheer fact that he's doing it proves (somehow) that it is practical, so there!!!!!!

 

[hafizbat]

Batman's costume is so easy to nail.


The batsuit is easy to get right..

You can nail the costume easily, simple is better.

Easy and simple?

I'd take the Arkham Knight suit over this any day.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Easy and simple?

I'd take the Arkham Knight suit over this any day.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL do i really have to point out the flaws in this argument? You're hilarious

 

[ThePhantasm]

I love the guys who respond with an opposite extreme as if another bad idea somehow validates this particular bad idea.

 

[hafizbat]

not gonna respond



whatever . there is a clear difference between those suits. They at least "got it" when they were making Origins, City and Asylum, now they don't.

And uh do you have proof that they were all designed by the same people? I'd like to see some documentation regarding that. Until then.. I don't believe it!

I've never heard anything so idiotic. They used to get it, but now all of a sudden they don't, because YOU don't like the new design?

And you can not believe it all you want, but its quite common knowledge that Asylum and City were made by Rocksteady, and this is their new game. In all honesty, you're making yourself look bad.

 

[Mutante]

not gonna respond

You evaluate the practicality of something by the way it looks but you forget that we´re talking about a made believe world. In reality, everything those super heroes use is unpractical but in their fictional world it is supposed to be practical. Do you think Superman suit is confortable or practical? No, it isn´t. Keaton suit also wasn´t. But we´re supposed to believe those suits react in a different way that you would expect in reality.

 

[ThePhantasm]

You evaluate the practicality of something by the way it looks but you forget that we´re talking about a made believe world. In reality, everything those super heroes use is unpractical but in their fictional world it is supposed to be practical. Do you think Superman suit is confortable or practical? No, it isn´t. Keaton suit also wasn´t. But we´re supposed to believe those suits react in a different way that you would expect in reality.

You are defending the realism / practicality of the suit by appealing to the fantasy / make-believe nature of the world? And you don't see how that's contradictory?

My brain is exploding at the cognitive dissonance here. You guys can't talk out of both sides of your mouth to defend this suit. Either defend it on a "realism" basis or on a "fantasy universe" basis.

 

[The Shape]

I didn't say that him getting a suit lacks a purpose, I was referring specifically to the overcomplicated nature of the aesthetic which seems to have no functional advantage. Stuff like the ridiculous bevel in the cowl and the weird lines on the neck, and the overall "sporty" football player look of the thing. But even if you explain the functionality of these things somehow, that doesn't negate the overall aesthetic critique. Having a purpose doesn't make something not ugly.

Calling it ugly as if that's some kind of fact which cannot be disputed isn't helping you make your point. It'd be easier for you to say something like, "I don't like it because I don't like when Batman looks THAT armored. I like it when Batman's suit has a more simple design, especially when it reflects how he looks in the comics."

Also, focusing on "functional advantages" is sort of a waste of time since, you know, we're talking about a pretty fantastical video game. Has anyone ever said that Batman's suit in B:TAS is more functional because it's light-weight fabric allowed Batman to move faster? No, because it doesn't matter. It looked cool and fit with the context/aesthetic of the series. This new AK suit certainly fits within the general aesthetic guidelines of the Arkham games, especially when you consider the gadgets, environments, and designs for several of the villains. Plus, these games are not only influenced by the comic book canon, but also by B:TAS and the pre-existing Batman films like the TDK trilogy. (And despite all I just said, much of this new suit does look functional to me)

To me, this is a well-designed suit that looks better (in concept and execution) than the TDK suit. No, I don't like the bevel in the cowl. No, I don't want to see Affleck wear this suit in the new film series. But it's still an interesting, alternate aesthetic take on Batman.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Everyone is backing away from the "functional advantages" thing now, but I wasn't the one to bring that up originally. That point was brought up in defense of this suit, not in argument against it.