BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - - Part 30

[Lencho01]

I just listened to an interview with Adam Brody, who was cast as Barry Allen aka The Flash in the aborted Justice League where Hammer was cast as Batman. During the discussion Brody said that the actors had all tried on costumes, and that halfway through the film, Batman would have been wrecked physically, and that he would be getting an exoskeleton based on the Alex Ross design from Kingdom Come. That is probably the batsuit Hammer has described.

On another note, the Batfleck suit is PERFECTION!!!

I also listened to Brody again as reminder. I completely forgot that he gets hurt pretty bad. So, I guess that means he may have had two suits or just simply the exoskeleton added to his regular one. It's been a while since I last read this script. I do remember how Batman being the only one without powers was made to be a huge deal in the story.

 

[titansupes]

I definitely get the beastly vibe in the initial photo.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I definitely get the beastly vibe in the initial photo.

Beastfleck.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Did someone say Beastfleck?

 

[The Shape]

As far as the creature stuff goes, I never really got that vine from Batman unless outright depicted as such. Just a white dude in a suit. Another superhero. I've never gotten that vine from his live-action selections as well other than that moment in BB. That's just how I view the character. It's also the majority of his depictions from artists, a superhero. This suit just only looks "beastly" in the same way any other muscular man with a scowl would to me, but still a man.

Oh, okay. This explains a lot.

 

[Lencho01]

Oh, okay. This explains a lot.

Well, I would assume anything I've said already shows how I view things. Opinions and all that.

He's just a man dressed up as superhero, in his case a bat (sort of). That's how he's shown in most depictions. Nothing too outwordly or beastly about him for the most part. Same goes for the majority of superheroes, people dressed up in somewhat goofy outfits.

If I'm to call him a "beast" it'd just be the slang sense of it. "Do you know Mike? Dude's a beast!"

But, to add to my point, I never really viewed Batman as if he's supposed to be outright scary. At least, not with his looks. It's his actions and what criminals know about him (or don't). This is the same guy who'll kick a criminal's ass, but a child who knows he's a good guy, would have no problem interacting with him as if they're friends. It's like Superman too. He'd most likely be laughed at due to his appearance too, but people know about him too. So, they don't laugh. Now, imagine knowing that Superman and Batman are best friends. Mess with one (to the point of death), there's a good chance you'll eventually deal with the other.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I think it's part of the esteemed gallery that includes Cavill's supersuit, Raimi and ASM2 spidey suits, and TWS Cap. The best batsuit? Definitely.



I find he looks "creature" in the way that batman is supposed to. Yes, he's still obviously a human, but he's a human that has taken on the characteristics of his mission and his streets. He's this:

Or at least as close to it as they've come so far. For me, this is batman and I can see much of this in Batfleck. The muscular physique is the least of it. In both the picture above and the official batfleck pic, there's an overall vibe of mystery, quiet strength, and perhaps even melancholy, belonging to a man that has descended partially into his chosen beast. The batfleck suit has weathered and scarred "skin," leathery and encompassing "wings" of a cape and a sculpted, flexible cowl. Together they actually look...batish and even a bit organic (refreshing after all the rubber and tactical themes of the past). A brilliant suit, IMO.

This is brilliant. Spot on.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Did someone say Beastfleck?

Pic doesn't work dude.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I want to make love to this batsuit and I don't care if Alfred watches.

 

[steve4991]

I want to make love to this batsuit and I don't care if Alfred watches.

"On that day, Master Wayne, even I won't want to"


But seriously is it just me or does Ben in the suit make it look twice as big? The stunt double didn't look nearly as big either when comparing to that quick trailer shot of Ben creeping around the rubble.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I want to make love to this batsuit and I don't care if Alfred watches.

 

[Black Narcissus]

As I wipe yo blood from my shoe, I won't tolerate any negative reaction to the hyper reaction to this suit. When it comes to me and this suit, you better stay the hell out my way.

 

[steve4991]

As I wipe yo blood from my shoe, I won't tolerate any negative reaction to the hyper reaction to this suit. When it comes to me and this suit, you better stay the hell out my way.

Someone went as far to bash the suit to say "It looks like it's made out of duct tape." I almost raged.

 

[Enriquespy]

Duct tape?

Well, now I can't unsee it.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I can't wait to see Affleck in this suit throwing punches, It's going to be godly

 

[MrsKent26]

Well, I would assume anything I've said already shows how I view things. Opinions and all that.

He's just a man dressed up as superhero, in his case a bat (sort of). That's how he's shown in most depictions. Nothing too outwordly or beastly about him for the most part. Same goes for the majority of superheroes, people dressed up in somewhat goofy outfits.

If I'm to call him a "beast" it'd just be the slang sense of it. "Do you know Mike? Dude's a beast!"

But, to add to my point, I never really viewed Batman as if he's supposed to be outright scary. At least, not with his looks. It's his actions and what criminals know about him (or don't). This is the same guy who'll kick a criminal's ass, but a child who knows he's a good guy, would have no problem interacting with him as if they're friends. It's like Superman too. He'd most likely be laughed at due to his appearance too, but people know about him too. So, they don't laugh. Now, imagine knowing that Superman and Batman are best friends. Mess with one (to the point of death), there's a good chance you'll eventually deal with the other.

I understand what you mean and I agree with it in certain circumstances. Batman can definitely look like "just a guy in a bat suit." Superheros in general can look quite silly (and sometimes they're supposed to).

In other circumstances, such as with the idea of Batman (as conceived by a young and wounded Bruce Wayne), the image is definitely supposed to invoke fear. He wanted his prey to be as frightened as he was on the day he first learned how brutal Gotham's streets could be. Considering what this event made of him, it only makes sense that he'd want them to be afraid. "I am vengeance. I am the night." It's not a subtle or meager statement. Someone who says things like that wants to pummel his prey into submission. Of course, he doesn't expect or try to intimidate everyone he meets. To his friends and comrades (Alfred, Gordon, the JL) and innocents he rescues, he's not "creature of the night" anymore. But to the criminals in the streets that catch a glimpse of him, he is beastly, creature, wraith-like, or whatever other menacing adjectives have been used over the years and some depictions have managed to show this (as well as some fantastic fanart).

If I was a criminal encountering this on a darkened street, with no one but my equally incapacitated co-conspirators around to hear my screams, and it told me to move along and be good, I would do it.

 

[John-An]

This. It looks that much more organic. It's really not that complicated. Batman designed his suit to look intimidating. One thing that intimidates is a big, strong muscular look.

Agreed

Sculpted musculature probably helps with the whole "creature" aesthetic.

I believe that muscles in Superman's suit are more subtle due to the fact that we have to believe that the suit is very fitting and these are Kal-El's real muscles that are protruding through it.
The same does not go for Batman. I think it is obvious that he has an armor underneath (especially noticeable on pectorals) and that armor is shaped that way to give Bruce huge bestial physique which goes in line with him wanting to appear like a monster to the criminals. It is not meant for us to believe that Bruce is really as ripped as the suit makes him look.

The first from my part to the wolf.

And, seeing set pics of Bruce Wayne, we KNOW that he isn't that big. Even the cowl makes his head look much bigger.

Secret identity secure

Exactly. That's why I would find it ridiculous only if we're meant to believe that. But we are not, it's just that Bruce gains a bestial appearance when in suit (and I believe I actually read somewhere once that his height and weight are supposed to be different when in the batsuit). Which, by the way, would further help him in hiding his identity.

The texture of the suit does straddle the line between leathery skin and chipped cement- the gargoyle comparison someone had earlier is spot on.

You hit the nail there.

Duct tape?

Well, now I can't unsee it.

Weird, cause in half on the posts you've made you say the exact same thing.

I understand what you mean and I agree with it in certain circumstances. Batman can definitely look like "just a guy in a bat suit." Superheros in general can look quite silly (and sometimes they're supposed to).

In other circumstances, such as with the idea of Batman (as conceived by a young and wounded Bruce Wayne), the image is definitely supposed to invoke fear. He wanted his prey to be as frightened as he was on the day he first learned how brutal Gotham's streets could be. Considering what this event made of him, it only makes sense that he'd want them to be afraid. "I am vengeance. I am the night." It's not a subtle or meager statement. Someone who says things like that wants to pummel his prey into submission. Of course, he doesn't expect or try to intimidate everyone he meets. To his friends and comrades (Alfred, Gordon, the JL) and innocents he rescues, he's not "creature of the night" anymore. But to the criminals in the streets that catch a glimpse of him, he is beastly, creature, wraith-like, or whatever other menacing adjectives have been used over the years and some depictions have managed to show this (as well as some fantastic fanart).

If I was a criminal encountering this on a darkened street, with no one but my equally incapacitated co-conspirators around to hear my screams, and it told me to move along and be good, I would do it.

Bravo!!! Nice post

 

[Lencho01]

I understand what you mean and I agree with it in certain circumstances. Batman can definitely look like "just a guy in a bat suit." Superheros in general can look quite silly (and sometimes they're supposed to).

In other circumstances, such as with the idea of Batman (as conceived by a young and wounded Bruce Wayne), the image is definitely supposed to invoke fear. He wanted his prey to be as frightened as he was on the day he first learned how brutal Gotham's streets could be. Considering what this event made of him, it only makes sense that he'd want them to be afraid. "I am vengeance. I am the night." It's not a subtle or meager statement. Someone who says things like that wants to pummel his prey into submission. Of course, he doesn't expect or try to intimidate everyone he meets. To his friends and comrades (Alfred, Gordon, the JL) and innocents he rescues, he's not "creature of the night" anymore. But to the criminals in the streets that catch a glimpse of him, he is beastly, creature, wraith-like, or whatever other menacing adjectives have been used over the years and some depictions have managed to show this (as well as some fantastic fanart).

Spoiler

If I was a criminal encountering this on a darkened street, with no one but my equally incapacitated co-conspirators around to hear my screams, and it told me to move along and be good, I would do it.

Sure, his suit is supposed to invoke fear especially if drawn a little more creepy. He is after all invoking the same shady cloaked look of other popular characters around his inception. But, he still just looks like a dude in a costume to me. Not a beast or anything like that. It certainly doesn't help that he has a nice big mouth opening too. At the end of the day, I think the new Batsuit looks kinda funny due to how are they took certain things. It's like when I look at the suit from the first Flash live-action show. A bit overboard for my tastes and kinda funny.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Sure, his suit is supposed to invoke fear especially if drawn a little more creepy.

So, Batman's suit is "supposed to invoke fear", specifically when rendered ghastly? Earlier you said that he isn't "supposed to be outright scary" on account of his physical appearance. Which is it?

He is after all invoking the same shady cloaked look of other popular characters around his inception. But, he still just looks like a dude in a costume to me. Not a beast or anything like that. It certainly doesn't help that he has a nice big mouth opening too.

Yes, if you're looking to incorporate the more Gothic and foreboding elements surrounding the character, a suit based on Jim Lee or David Finch's artwork won't do the job -- unless, of course, visual effects are used to create the type of artificial atmosphere that would allow for him to stand out more. The trick is to have it complement the suit's chiropteran characteristics, some of which MrsKent described here:

Spoiler

"Or at least as close to it as they've come so far. For me, this is batman and I can see much of this in Batfleck. The muscular physique is the least of it. In both the picture above and the official batfleck pic, there's an overall vibe of mystery, quiet strength, and perhaps even melancholy, belonging to a man that has descended partially into his chosen beast. The batfleck suit has weathered and scarred "skin," leathery and encompassing "wings" of a cape and a sculpted, flexible cowl. Together they actually look...batish and even a bit organic (refreshing after all the rubber and tactical themes of the past). A brilliant suit, IMO."

At the end of the day, I think the new Batsuit looks kinda funny due to how are they took certain things.

I see.

 

[Sawyer]

I want to make love to this batsuit and I don't care if Alfred watches.

Enjoy my sloppy seconds.

 

[lujho]

"On that day, Master Wayne, even I won't want to"


But seriously is it just me or does Ben in the suit make it look twice as big? The stunt double didn't look nearly as big either when comparing to that quick trailer shot of Ben creeping around the rubble.

It's the dark lighting that makes him look bigger, because you can't see the edges of his body, and the musculature looks more dramatic. Same with the pics of the suit on display in a darkened batcave.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I can't wait to see Affleck in this suit throwing punches, It's going to be godly

My body is beyond ready

 

[matt47]

I can't wait to see him throw his first punch and seeing the guys face just crumble into his head

 

[BatFan1979]

Sure, his suit is supposed to invoke fear especially if drawn a little more creepy. He is after all invoking the same shady cloaked look of other popular characters around his inception. But, he still just looks like a dude in a costume to me. Not a beast or anything like that. It certainly doesn't help that he has a nice big mouth opening too. At the end of the day, I think the new Batsuit looks kinda funny due to how are they took certain things. It's like when I look at the suit from the first Flash live-action show. A bit overboard for my tastes and kinda funny.

Okay, I guess I'm still unclear about what kind of Batsuit you'd like to see. From your comments, it seems that you may be more of a Nolan Bat-armor fan? But if you look at any incarnation of Batman, it's always just been a guy in a suit - it's the way they light him and pose him in the end that is precisely what attempts to make him look more than "just a man in a suit."

And the mouth opening has always been there in every version - all films, comics, TV - so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. I mean I guess if Bruce transformed into a manbat, or the demonbat from BB, then I guess he'd literally be "beastly" and the mouth opening wouldn't be a problem? But that's not Batman.

As for the Flash CW suit - I can see how everyone wouldn't like it - I honestly had to warm to it at first - but in light of your stance on Batman's suit, again, I'm not clear on your definition of "overboard." You think they went overboard on Bats with the muscles, but they also went overboard with the Flash because, why? Too much texture? Not enough muscles? Not racing suit looking enough?

I just don't know if you want all live action superheros to look like art by Alex Ross, and again I bring him up because he's the only one who depicts what real people would look like with the "comic accurate" costumes. I personally am glad they leave those smooth looking suits in the comics - they work there, but I don't think they'd work well in today's live action.

 

[The Shape]

LOL, this suit is hilarioussss!!!