BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - - Part 30

[rockandrollsoul]

I'm loving Batfleck's look, but it wouldn't be my preferred musculature for Batman. Something like this is preferable,

More lean-and-mean than Lee/Miller/Arkham/BvS Mini-Hulk. Still, I love how big the new Batman is, it's a welcome change and the first really physically imposing Batman on screen. It's about time, as all the other big heroes have comic book bodies these days.

To me, the BvS size and musculature looks very similar to that drawing. If you put Batfleck in the same pose, I doubt he would look any bigger.

 

[hafizbat]

Eh, maybe that wasn't the best picture to use, but I'm talking about Batman looking more like he did when Breyfogle/O'Neil/Aparo drew him. More athletic and graceful. Batman should look more like an athlete, like a gymnast or NFL/Rugby player rather than a bodybuilder. Basically his body should be a product of his strength and physical prowess rather than looking like he purposely works out for aesthetic purposes, which bodybuilding is. It might sound like semantics, but [BLACKOUT]I look at shirtless guys all the time and can tell the difference.[/BLACKOUT]

Mind you, I have no problem at all with how Batfleck looks. He looks so powerful, and I think it suits what they're going for very well.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Something more like this?

I too prefer a somewhat more trim athletic Batman.

 

[Bathead]

I just don't know if you want all live action superheros to look like art by Alex Ross, and again I bring him up because he's the only one who depicts what real people would look like with the "comic accurate" costumes. I personally am glad they leave those smooth looking suits in the comics - they work there, but I don't think they'd work well in today's live action.

Funny. They used to say the exact same thing about a grey and black fabric based suit.
Hhmmm ...

 

[hafizbat]

^That's good too, but if I'm being super-picky, this would be my ideal. Not Mini-Hulk, but not Average Joe either. I'm pretty sure a Batman who is physically well-rounded would look like this. Too muscular, and he'd lose speed and flexibility. Too lean, and he wouldn't be strong enough.

 

[antoineflemming]

Funny. They used to say the exact same thing about a grey and black fabric based suit.
Hhmmm ...

Yeah, but here, that gray and black fabric suit isn't plain. It's got texture, and a pattern running through it.

 

[Bruce Malone]

^That's good too, but if I'm being super-picky, this would be my ideal. Not Mini-Hulk, but not Average Joe either. I'm pretty sure a Batman who is physically well-rounded would look like this. Too muscular, and he'd lose speed and flexibility. Too lean, and he wouldn't be strong enough.

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I think Daredevil did a great showcase of how someone who is not necessarily overly large but definitely fit can with superior fighting skills be quite a force.

The best MMA fighters for example aren't necessarily the biggest physically.

For Batman there is of course the intimidation factor that comes in to play and size is definitely a part of that.

 

[hafizbat]

Good call Daredevil is awesome and a great example of a hand-to-hand crime fighter. Though I do think he's limited to street crime, while Batman is on another level, especially if he's with the Justice League. Daredevil could never match up against Batman villains like Bane, Killer Croc, etc.

But yeah, great post. Batman should definitely have a Bruce Lee/ninja vibe to him like DD does.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Eh, maybe that wasn't the best picture to use, but I'm talking about Batman looking more like he did when Breyfogle/O'Neil/Aparo drew him. More athletic and graceful. Batman should look more like an athlete, like a gymnast or NFL/Rugby player rather than a bodybuilder. Basically his body should be a product of his strength and physical prowess rather than looking like he purposely works out for aesthetic purposes, which bodybuilding is. It might sound like semantics, but [BLACKOUT]I look at shirtless guys all the time and can tell the difference.[/BLACKOUT]

Mind you, I have no problem at all with how Batfleck looks. He looks so powerful, and I think it suits what they're going for very well.

IMO, Batfleck's build is very reminiscent of a football wide receiver. He looks athletic and powerful. I too think Batman should not look like a bodybuilder as it implies vanity rather than practicality. On the other hand, I love that Superman has that classic bodybuilder look.

 

[regwec]

It is striking that these debates following the arrival of a comic-accurate batsuit are the very same ones that preceded it.

 

[Bathead]

Yeah, but here, that gray and black fabric suit isn't plain. It's got texture, and a pattern running through it.

Not the point.

 

[Marvin]

It is striking that these debates following the arrival of a comic-accurate batsuit are the very same ones that preceded it.

is it though

 

[Lencho01]

Eh, maybe that wasn't the best picture to use, but I'm talking about Batman looking more like he did when Breyfogle/O'Neil/Aparo drew him. More athletic and graceful. Batman should look more like an athlete, like a gymnast or NFL/Rugby player rather than a bodybuilder. Basically his body should be a product of his strength and physical prowess rather than looking like he purposely works out for aesthetic purposes, which bodybuilding is. It might sound like semantics, but [BLACKOUT]I look at shirtless guys all the time and can tell the difference.[/BLACKOUT]

Mind you, I have no problem at all with how Batfleck looks. He looks so powerful, and I think it suits what they're going for very well.

Maybe this Batman did look like that at some point. Much like how Miller's Batman got bigger over time.

 

[hafizbat]

IMO, Batfleck's build is very reminiscent of a football wide receiver. He looks athletic and powerful. I too think Batman should not look like a bodybuilder as it implies vanity rather than practicality. On the other hand, I love that Superman has that classic bodybuilder look.

I don't think he looks like a football wide reciever at all. They are usually rangy and lithe, build more for speed.

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Batfleck looks like a powerlifter to me, especially compared to Cavill's "Golden Ratio" physique.

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It is striking that these debates following the arrival of a comic-accurate batsuit are the very same ones that preceded it.

Is having a comic-accurate suit supposed to end all discussion about the Batsuit?

 

[hafizbat]

Maybe this Batman did look like that at some point. Much like how Miller's Batman got bigger over time.

Yeah, I like that. Gives an "old bear" vibe.

 

[Naked Shia]

but he's a bat, not a bear.

 

[The Shape]

^That's good too, but if I'm being super-picky, this would be my ideal. Not Mini-Hulk, but not Average Joe either. I'm pretty sure a Batman who is physically well-rounded would look like this. Too muscular, and he'd lose speed and flexibility. Too lean, and he wouldn't be strong enough.

Batfleck isn't really much bigger than that, nor does his musculature appear to be much more enhanced or defined to a ridiculous extent.

 

[antoineflemming]

Not the point.

But that was essentially BatFan1979's point, with his assertion that the "smooth" looking suits wouldn't work in live action. The texture and pattern negate the smooth look.

 

[BatFan1979]

Batfleck isn't really much bigger than that, nor does his musculature appear to be much more enhanced or defined to a ridiculous extent.

Agreed - I mean his pectorals may be a bit more pronounced than is necessary, but I think it's a small concern. I think the overall look of the suit is meant to retain that "fabric over some armored areas" look we get in the comics; I mean the wrinkles on the surface of the suit over the deltoids prove that IMO.

But that was essentially BatFan1979's point, with his assertion that the "smooth" looking suits wouldn't work in live action. The texture and pattern negate the smooth look.

Thanks. Also, most of the Batsuits shown in the comics since the 70's show a good bit of his muscle definition too, so I don't see why this suit is getting so much poo-pooing. I mean I know that the YJ suit has been referenced and that's a little different look, but as for the comics, this is a huge leap in that direction. I suppose they could have reduced the muscle suit overall a bit, but I think they just wanted to visually show the audience, in an obvious way, that Batman's a strong guy. And also, as we all know, these suits do look a bit different in the actual film, so there's that too.

 

[Enriquespy]

It is striking that these debates following the arrival of a comic-accurate batsuit are the very same ones that preceded it.

We are on a time loop.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

I don't think he looks like a football wide reciever at all. They are usually rangy and lithe, build more for speed.

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Batfleck looks like a powerlifter to me, especially compared to Cavill's "Golden Ratio" physique.

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Dude, Batfleck is nowhere near as big as Dan Green. Here is a picture of NFL wide receiver David Boston:

I'd say their physiques are pretty similar with Boston being a little bigger. Batfleck definitely doesn't look any bigger than this. There are several other examples of NFL players with similar physiques, both in size and development.

 

[antoineflemming]

Agreed - I mean his pectorals may be a bit more pronounced than is necessary, but I think it's a small concern. I think the overall look of the suit is meant to retain that "fabric over some armored areas" look we get in the comics; I mean the wrinkles on the surface of the suit over the deltoids prove that IMO.



Thanks. Also, most of the Batsuits shown in the comics since the 70's show a good bit of his muscle definition too, so I don't see why this suit is getting so much poo-pooing. I mean I know that the YJ suit has been referenced and that's a little different look, but as for the comics, this is a huge leap in that direction. I suppose they could have reduced the muscle suit overall a bit, but I think they just wanted to visually show the audience, in an obvious way, that Batman's a strong guy. And also, as we all know, these suits do look a bit different in the actual film, so there's that too.

the batfleck suit is better than that YJ suit.

 

[JOE]

This is the best Batman suit that will ever hit the big screen. I can't see them beating this, it's brilliant. Definitely up there with my favorite CBM costumes, well done DC, bravo!

 

[hafizbat]

Batfleck isn't really much bigger than that, nor does his musculature appear to be much more enhanced or defined to a ridiculous extent.

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The limbs are similarly muscled, but the torso is very different. Getting a frontal view of Batfleck, it's clear that he's massive. He has a hulking presence that is much closer to Miller's barrel-chested Batman than the Capullo one I referenced. Obviously if you choose a picture where his torso/waist is not visible he won't look much bigger. But this shot makes his massive girth visible. Just look at how wide he is.

Dude, Batfleck is nowhere near as big as Dan Green. Here is a picture of NFL wide receiver David Boston:

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I'd say their physiques are pretty similar with Boston being a little bigger. Batfleck definitely doesn't look any bigger than this. There are several other examples of NFL players with similar physiques, both in size and development.

Bro, the modern average NFL wide reciever is not even close to looking like that. You chose arguably the biggest wide receiver in the history of the NFL...

David Boston was a larger-than-life wide receiver during his six-year NFL career. He couldn’t fall to the turf without making noise.

Pro football had never, and will never, see another wide receiver built like David Boston. Selected by the Cardinals at eighth overall in the 1999 NFL Draft, Boston came into the league at 240 lbs., fifty more than the only other wide receiver picked before him in the draft, Torry Holt. His college career had knocked on the door of legends, scoring 34 touchdowns in his three seasons at Ohio State and averaging nearly 17 YPC during his junior year.

http://cover32.com/cardinals/2014/02/21/where-are-they-now-david-boston/

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This is the best Batman suit that will ever hit the big screen. I can't see them beating this, it's brilliant. Definitely up there with my favorite CBM costumes, well done DC, bravo!

 

[The Shape]

The limbs are similarly muscled, but the torso is very different. Getting a frontal view of Batfleck, it's clear that he's massive. He has a hulking presence that is much closer to Miller's barrel-chested Batman than the Capullo one I referenced. Obviously if you choose a picture where his torso/waist is not visible he won't look much bigger. But this shot makes his massive girth visible. Just look at how wide he is.

And you've chosen a picture where Batman is shrouded in shadows and darkness (with less than half of his torso clearly visible), in the process of standing up after being hunched over. In reality, all the times we've seen full pictures of the suit either on the stuntman or on display, the physique is similar to Jim Lee's New 52 design or that Capullo pic you posted.

How do these pics look instead?

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I'm not arguing that this Batman has mass, but its a leaner mass than what you're suggesting, since you compared him to a power lifter. I certainly think you're overstating his "massive girth".