BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - - - Part 31

[TheFlamingCoco]

The first Nolan suit was solid. The second one was awful. The cowl that squished Bale's mouth, the lightbulb head, the little horns, the pencil neck, the bra... an absolute mess.

I see no Batbra. I think Begins worked the best of the Nolan suits because it was big and looked rather imposing. The TDK and Rises had even more plates, but a thinner material, and made Bale look rather small.

 

[TheBat812]

No, that's not true. I won't accuse you of lying, because you may not have spent much time in this thread, but you are discounting the painstaking research that people like BatScot put into plausible forms of fabric protection, and all of the time many of us spent arguing their case. You are also ignoring the fact that much of the argument was about the colour of the batsuit. For the obtuse posters who refused to countenance the plausibility of light fabric "armour", the rubber/plated armour they insisted upon had to be black. Many of us in favour of a fabric costume did argue that its protective function should complement Batman's stealthiness and agility as a final rather than a primary defence against gunfire, but I recall only one poster who preferred no protection at all.

It's remarkable how quickly all of the losing arguments in this matter have apparently been forgotten, given how tenaciously and pugnaciously they were pressed for many years.

That's probably true, but I must've missed it. I was making a generalization based on my experience and contributions in these threads . *shrug*

As for a couple posters not understanding my post on basic storytelling and characterization.... I don't know what to tell you, lol. These are rudimentary parts of writing. What a character decides to do is insight into who they are and their characterization. Maybe you just want them to 'look cool', but good artists can make something cool and still inform the audience into who that person is while doing it.

 

[hafizbat]

See the third suit from the left? Black and gold Arkham Origins suit?:

It's what they called "The Dark Knight" skin in "Arkham Origins", so I think they might feel they kinda did that by putting this skin in the pack.

I don't think they did. I believe hafizbat was simply expressing his hopes and expectations.

That's cheap

It's basically a darker variant of the Origins suit (I do like that suit tho). I was really hoping they'd do a proper version of the TDK suit like they did so beautifully with the Burton suit.

Guess it was just too ugly to work with Thanks for hitting me with the reality now instead of letting me hope and wait for eternity, lol.

 

[KillerWolf]

That's cheap

It's basically a darker variant of the Origins suit (I do like that suit tho). I was really hoping they'd do a proper version of the TDK suit like they did so beautifully with the Burton suit.

Guess it was just too ugly to work with Thanks for hitting me with the reality now instead of letting me hope and wait for eternity, lol.

Yeah, it is cheap. Still, who knows, maybe they'll call this "Arkham Origins" suit and will do a proper version of TDK one.

And no problem. You've come to the right place. I've been making people feel miserable since the early 90's.

 

[Sean of Justice]

Verisimilitude... I haven't heard that word in.... EVER !

Nice one...and you are correct sir! You win a cookie.

I just find it silly people are still going out of their way to bash the Nolan batsuits. There are some of us who liked those suits (plus a large proportion of the non-fanboy community) and besides there's a new non-nolan batsuit that exists now, so what is there to complain about?

I preferred the first Nolan Batsuit to the second Nolan Batsuit. Bale looked so much bigger and more frightening in the first one. The panther neck was a big help.

I think what made the Nolan suit work so well in "Begins" was the fact that they first showed the ninja outfits...similar feel to Batman...Then then show the infantry development Kevlar suit and other parts including the designing of the cowl and "helmet" which lends a sense of realism in our minds. Batman, in the first film, is never seen very clearly in the light of day. Our imagination filled the blanks and made it work very well.

Even in those photos of Bale standing or crouching against a white background, I still thought the suit looked awesome.

I see no Batbra. I think Begins worked the best of the Nolan suits because it was big and looked rather imposing. The TDK and Rises had even more plates, but a thinner material, and made Bale look rather small.

Especially his neck. He looked kinda bobbleheaded IMO.

 

[Bathead]

I've always loved that suit's symbol and belt.



It's probably my second or third favorite. Easily the most underrated Batman film.



How so? It's not Nolan's fault bulletproof suits didn't exist at the time he made his movies.

In a way they did. Fabric based Liquid Armor was around at least a couple of years before Nolan took charge of the franchise

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ And cloth based armor is used IRL

So Nolan didn't really have a huge excuse.

 

[hafizbat]

It's not so much the reality Nolan was going for, but rather the illusion of it. No matter how advanced the technology was at the time, the titanium-dipped tri-weave Kevlar plate stuff sounds and looks more realistic to the common people, even if it's not.

 

[regwec]

I think you're underestimating people. If Nolan had given us an experimental ballistic-resilient fabric suit, and Lucius Fox had been given one of those boring, stilted monologues to explain what it was, I am sure audiences would have accepted it.

 

[Kanye West]

people still complaining about the Nolan suits?

They were completely fine. The new one is better of course but the Nolan suits were great at the time too

 

[TheGearMan]

It's not so much the reality Nolan was going for, but rather the illusion of it. No matter how advanced the technology was at the time, the titanium-dipped tri-weave Kevlar plate stuff sounds and looks more realistic to the common people, even if it's not.

Thank you! This is what I continually explain to my friends. It's all about believably, not reality.

I'm amazed at those suits though. I wonder how hot it gets.

 

[lujho]

Lol. Look what videogame Batman looked like circa 2005:

 

[DKDetective]

I think you're underestimating people. If Nolan had given us an experimental ballistic-resilient fabric suit, and Lucius Fox had been given one of those boring, stilted monologues to explain what it was, I am sure audiences would have accepted it.

Precisely, it is all about how it looks. Snyder is giving a comics-accurate fabric suit and I don't see anyone complaining about how unbelievable it is because by giving the suit the right thickness and texture, it is pretty clear it is supposed to be made of some sort of advanced anti-ballistic material. If things look cool, people will buy whatever ridiculous technobabble speech Lucius gives them. Take for instance the insane "get fingerprints" off a shattered bullet scene from The Dark Knight.

 

[regwec]

To be fair, that had me "wtf-ing" in the theatre.

 

[souperman]

Precisely, it is all about how it looks. Snyder is giving a comics-accurate fabric suit and I don't see anyone complaining about how unbelievable it is because by giving the suit the right thickness and texture, it is pretty clear it is supposed to be made of some sort of advanced anti-ballistic material. If things look cool, people will buy whatever ridiculous technobabble speech Lucius gives them. Take for instance the insane "get fingerprints" off a shattered bullet scene from The Dark Knight.

...hey, that's real son... as long as you say it with a gravely voice...or Morgan Freeman say it ...as you said.

 

[EEK]

I hope every Batman shot in the trailer has screencaps on here. I'm searching but must be lost in old posts after trailer hit.

 

[DKDetective]

To be fair, that had me "wtf-ing" in the theatre.

Me too. It is just blatantly wrong. The impact of the bullet somehow removed the ballistic fingerprinting caused by the rifling of of barrel scratching against the surface of the bullet, but somehow fingerprints of skin oils survived the firing of the bullet, the scraping of the rifling against the bullet, and the impact.

But most people around here and in theatres bought that crap because Mr. Freeman told them to as souperman said.

 

[TheTarkKnight]

Me too. It is just blatantly wrong. The impact of the bullet somehow removed the ballistic fingerprinting caused by the rifling of of barrel scratching against the surface of the bullet, but somehow fingerprints of skin oils survived the firing of the bullet, the scraping of the rifling against the bullet, and the impact.

But most people around here and in theatres bought that crap because Mr. Freeman told them to as souperman said.

And honestly there was no need for something like that. Something less complicated and more realistic would've done the same job to make the point across.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

It took me 3 times of watching to even know what they were doing with that scene ha

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Take for instance the insane "get fingerprints" off a shattered bullet scene from The Dark Knight.

To be fair, that had me "wtf-ing" in the theatre.

It had me wtf-ing every time I watched it!

 

[The Shape]

Most of the Arkham Knight skins look awful in the advertised pictures, but I will say most of them look great in the game itself. Can't wait for the B89 skin.

 

[John-An]

Has this been posted?

Just see this!!

The detail on the cape joint

 

[Boy Scout]

The first Nolan suit was solid. The second one was awful. The cowl that squished Bale's mouth, the lightbulb head, the little horns, the pencil neck, the bra... an absolute mess.

Agreed. It's my third favorite suit.

 

[lujho]

To be fair, that had me "wtf-ing" in the theatre.

There are a lot of dumb things in the Nolan movies, but that was maybe the dumbest. That was sub-sub-sub CSI nonsense. That was their way of giving Batman some detective stuff to do? Why not just show him doing more normal forensics?

 

[lujho]

Me too. It is just blatantly wrong. The impact of the bullet somehow removed the ballistic fingerprinting caused by the rifling of of barrel scratching against the surface of the bullet, but somehow fingerprints of skin oils survived the firing of the bullet, the scraping of the rifling against the bullet, and the impact.

But most people around here and in theatres bought that crap because Mr. Freeman told them to as souperman said.

Also doesn't he do a bunch of test-firings of bullets into various surfaces beforehand because... well there's literally no way that would have helped in any way. Just baffling.