BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - - - Part 31

[Saint]

Also doesn't he do a bunch of test-firings of bullets into various surfaces beforehand because... well there's literally no way that would have helped in any way. Just baffling.

I believe what they were suggesting is that he was determining what type of round was used by comparing those test firings with the actual impact.

 

[DKDetective]

Also doesn't he do a bunch of test-firings of bullets into various surfaces beforehand because... well there's literally no way that would have helped in any way. Just baffling.

I think the point of that was he trying to figure the shatter "pattern" of the bullet. You will notice that the bullets used by Bruce in that scene have a grid pattern on their surface. I assume that is so that when he scans them he can figure out which piece of the bullet went where in the bullet, which I think supposedly will help him reconstruct the Joker's bullet. But yeah, super convoluted.

 

[souperman]

...what about the bigger picture?

Bruce leaves Gotham when he is a teenage "kid". He did not study criminology or psychology or had any extensive schooling of any kind (at least not in police work)... yet 7 years later, after living a life of crime and training to be a ninja assassin, he returns to Gotham a BRILLIANT detective! and knows how to work all those wonderful toys...

But It is still one of my faves and best CBM origin stories IMO.

 

[Mr. Finger]

...what about the bigger picture?

Bruce leaves Gotham when he is a teenage "kid". He did not study criminology or psychology or had any extensive schooling of any kind (at least not in police work)... yet 7 years later, after living a life of crime and training to be a ninja assassin, he returns to Gotham a BRILLIANT detective! and knows how to work all those wonderful toys...

But It is still one of my faves and best CBM origin stories IMO.

To be honest, I felt the same about most of that as well.
I wished for more of the mental training, and also more tech building.
Pre made hand me downs from Daddy's company annoyed me a bit.

I enjoyed "BB" .. But going in to it?
I expected Nolan to explore some of those aspects in more depth.
Even the gliding, to which I liked.. I think it would have been fun to watch Bruce try and then develop those techniques and concepts.

I suppose that for the story arc? It was more important to spend time with Bruce and Ra's.. And I like how some of the details such as the gauntlets made it to the final look of the suit.

 

[roach]

To be honest, I felt the same about most of that as well.
I wished for more of the mental training, and also more tech building.
Pre made hand me downs from Daddy's company annoyed me a bit.

I enjoyed "BB" .. But going in to it?
I expected Nolan to explore some of those aspects in more depth.
Even the gliding, to which I liked.. I think it would have been fun to watch Bruce try and then develop those techniques and concepts.

I suppose that for the story arc? It was more important to spend time with Bruce and Ra's.. And I like how some of the details such as the gauntlets made it to the final look of the suit.

He was in school right? Did they ever say what he studied and for how long?

 

[Mr. Finger]

Like I said.. I didn't mind "BB"..
I just prefer the idea that Bruce left Gotham, young and full of angst..
Came back a man on a mission..
Mentally and physically..

I don't need to see all of it step by step..
But there were parts of "BB" that felt like.. Well, a trip to Daddy's 'ol work place and an hour or two online and voila..

Wanted more Detective.. And also more ingenuity..
Felt more like a long extension chord needed for lights..
Black spray paint for a pre-existing car and suit.. and let's get on with the story.
Not trying to troll on the subject, just how I felt.. And still feel..

I really liked how the first Ironman handled those aspects in the second act of that film.

 

[Boy Scout]

He was in school right? Did they ever say what he studied and for how long?

He was in college. He started his journey at 21. They never said what he studied, but I think it's safe to assume it had something to do with business.

 

[souperman]

One of the aspects I really liked about the Donner/Reeves SUPERMAN was the montage of young Clark going off with JorEl for 12 years to "learn" and grow into SUPERMAN.

This was a great way to show that Superman not only has great physical powers but also a vast intelligence/ knowledge and understanding of the other worlds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ujuOikKgAE

In MOS, understanding that they did not want to repeat and probably assumed that we would understand that JorEl gave Kal more than just the suit, they skipped it.

One thing that irks me that they chose to change the names from the full JorEl - KalEl to just Kal or Jor... which sounds blah...


And what kind of writing was it in Superman 2 where Zod and Superman play the disappearing game - Superman says "We used to play this game at school. I never was very good at it!". Oh brother...

Looking forward to no more of that!

 

[Boy Scout]

Well, to be fair, Jor and Kal are their first names. Why wouldn't they be referred to as such by their friends and family?

 

[souperman]

Isn't that only in MOS?

I am not a big comic book reader but I thought they always referred to them as if it were one name JorEl. Not an el sir name. More other worldly somehow... For me.

Otherwise they would have been being awkwardly formal using both names.

Lucas got stuck with the Darth thing when Ben calls Vader , Darth , as if it was his first name, which it was until they rethought it for other Siths...

 

[Binker]

At least it is better that Morrison; I love All Star Superman, it deserves all of the critically acclaim praise it got, but I doubt saying "Jor of El" "Kal of El" would translate into film.

 

[souperman]

I don't know,,, it worked in the Donner Superman. Brando and Stamp made it work as one word. Jorel
Stamp says it many times... sounds better to me than...Jor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfIieHxfF3o

 

[The Shield]

I don't know,,, it worked in the Donner Superman. Brando and Stamp made it work as one word. Jorel
Stamp says it many times... sounds better to me than...Jor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfIieHxfF3o

I agree. I guess bc my whole life it's always been Jor-El. MOS is the first time I ever heard them just say Jor and it sounds weird to me.

 

[souperman]

...and now, back to Batman...

 

[Astro13Zombie]

The details on both the regular and armored bat suits are just....
porn

I could look at these ****ing things all day.

 

[souperman]

we are in for something special...

 

[Boy Scout]

Isn't that only in MOS?

Nope. Though they're both often referred to by their full names, "El" has always - to my knowledge - been a family name.

I am not a big comic book reader but I thought they always referred to them as if it were one name JorEl. Not an el sir name. More other worldly somehow... For me.

It's Jor-El and Kal-El. It'd be like writing "John Smith" as "John-Smith".

Otherwise they would have been being awkwardly formal using both names.

It's weird to us, but normal for them. Aliens, man. They're weird as ****.

 

[Bathead]

Nope. Though they're both often referred to by their full names, "El" has always - to my knowledge - been a family name.



It's Jor-El and Kal-El. It'd be like writing "John Smith" as "John-Smith".



It's weird to us, but normal for them. Aliens, man. They're weird as ****.

Yup, since the very beginning, it's always been Jor El and Kal El, El being the family name.

 

[souperman]

Yup, since the very beginning, it's always been Jor El and Kal El, El being the family name.

No argument that EL may be their family name, but

My point was that in the comics and Donner Superman, They say or wright the entire name as one. Jorel. Kalel. Which to me sounds much more alien then Jor or Kal They don't break it up like they do in MOS. I just think it sounds better and more alien as Jorel and Kalel.

Not Mr. El and son of El


That's all I was saying.

 

[Sean of Justice]

Sounds to me like what souperman's saying is that they should just go on referring to them as they always used to. MoS is also the first time I've heard Jor-El referred to as just Jor.

 

[antoineflemming]

But Laura's the only one who called him Jor, right? I mean, imo, that's understandable. She's his wife, so she'll be more personal with him. I did think it was cool that Zod called Jor-El "El." I mean, if Zod's called "Zod" and not Dru-Zod, which is his full name, then it shouldn't be that odd for Jor-El to be called El. Also, Zod is called Zod, not Dru-Zod, so there isn't a universal precedent where they can only be called by their full name.

 

[souperman]

But Laura's the only one who called him Jor, right? I mean, imo, that's understandable. She's his wife, so she'll be more personal with him. I did think it was cool that Zod called Jor-El "El." I mean, if Zod's called "Zod" and not Dru-Zod, which is his full name, then it shouldn't be that odd for Jor-El to be called El. Also, Zod is called Zod, not Dru-Zod, so there isn't a universal precedent where they can only be called by their full name.

He calls himself Jor. He calls Clark, Kal.

When Zod calls him El, that's just plain wrong...

Was Zod originally Dru-Zod in the first comic books ?

 

[Majik1387]

He calls himself Jor. He calls Clark, Kal.

When Zod calls him El, that's just plain wrong...

http://nrdg.org/LeagueFiles/NoSir.jpg

Was Zod originally Dru-Zod ?

Don't most military types refer to others by their last name?

 

[souperman]

Don't most military types refer to others by their last name?

Reeves called him General, and also Zod at different times.

It used to be in fashion to call each other by last names back in HS.

Military I think use rank mostly, with or without the last name... (correct me if wrong).

I know what they were trying to do but...

no biggie of course, just a peeve.

And again, I am only speaking for traditions sake and to be true to the comic. I may be wrong but I had never seen or heard Jor-El or Kal-El being referred to with only part of the name until MOS.

 

[Sean of Justice]

I'd forgotten which thread this was.