BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - - - Part 31

[Lencho01]

Why are some of you guys talking like any of the Batsuit were really functional things? Simply, they're just costumes.

 

[Enriquespy]

Let us dream!!!

 

[Lencho01]

Let us dream!!!

Spoiler

Batman is fake! Superman is fake! They're all fake!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Spoiler

Batman is fake! Superman is fake! They're all fake!!!!!!!!!!

(insert BATMAN & ROBIN Arnold as Mr. Freeze "You lie!" gif)

 

[Lencho01]

(insert BATMAN & ROBIN Arnold as Mr. Freeze "You lie!" gif)

I straight up read that in his voice.

 

[TheBat812]

Why are some of you guys talking like any of the Batsuit were really functional things? Simply, they're just costumes.

Because good artists actually care about purpose? To not care is lazy ass writing and characterization. Maybe as the audience it doesn't matter to you, but otherwise, it should absolutely mean something to the character, or you're possibly inferring something about the character you didn't intend.

 

[Lencho01]

Because good artists actually care about purpose? To not care is lazy ass writing and characterization. Maybe as the audience it doesn't matter to you, but otherwise, it should absolutely mean something to the character, or you're possibly inferring something about the character you didn't intend.

I straight up don't know what you're even talking about.

 

[souperman]

...we don't need REAL reality... just plausible reality in our fantasy.
As long as there are no glaringly obvious blunders or easy outs in ether writing or creative arts, I am happy.

Everything I have seen so far makes me happy...enough.
It works as an epic film, a great comic book adaptation. It looks great. Seems to be written smart. Happy Happy Joy Joy.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Verisimilitude and absolute realism are not the same things.

 

[regwec]

To be be fair, most of the arguments were for ARMOR not black rubber, and affleck clearly also has armor, just with some fabric over it. The people against black rubber thought he didn't need armor because he's batman and can apparently dodge anything and everything.

No, that's not true. I won't accuse you of lying, because you may not have spent much time in this thread, but you are discounting the painstaking research that people like BatScot put into plausible forms of fabric protection, and all of the time many of us spent arguing their case. You are also ignoring the fact that much of the argument was about the colour of the batsuit. For the obtuse posters who refused to countenance the plausibility of light fabric "armour", the rubber/plated armour they insisted upon had to be black. Many of us in favour of a fabric costume did argue that its protective function should complement Batman's stealthiness and agility as a final rather than a primary defence against gunfire, but I recall only one poster who preferred no protection at all.

It's remarkable how quickly all of the losing arguments in this matter have apparently been forgotten, given how tenaciously and pugnaciously they were pressed for many years.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I just find it silly people are still going out of their way to bash the Nolan batsuits. There are some of us who liked those suits (plus a large proportion of the non-fanboy community) and besides there's a new non-nolan batsuit that exists now, so what is there to complain about?

 

[superboy13]

Because good artists actually care about purpose? To not care is lazy ass writing and characterization. Maybe as the audience it doesn't matter to you, but otherwise, it should absolutely mean something to the character, or you're possibly inferring something about the character you didn't intend.

That didn't even make allergic sense.

 

[Sean of Justice]

I just find it silly people are still going out of their way to bash the Nolan batsuits. There are some of us who liked those suits (plus a large proportion of the non-fanboy community) and besides there's a new non-nolan batsuit that exists now, so what is there to complain about?

I preferred the first Nolan Batsuit to the second Nolan Batsuit. Bale looked so much bigger and more frightening in the first one. The panther neck was a big help.

 

[hafizbat]

I'm looking forward to seeing the Rocksteady rendition of the Nolan Batsuit. They did a remarkable job with the Burton Batsuit and I feel that the Nolan Batsuit could look great as well. Proportions really make an enormous difference.

 

[KillerWolf]

I'm looking forward to seeing the Rocksteady rendition of the Nolan Batsuit. They did a remarkable job with the Burton Batsuit and I feel that the Nolan Batsuit could look great as well. Proportions really make an enormous difference.

See the third suit from the left? Black and gold Arkham Origins suit?:

It's what they called "The Dark Knight" skin in "Arkham Origins", so I think they might feel they kinda did that by putting this skin in the pack.

 

[souperman]

Verisimilitude and absolute realism are not the same things.

Verisimilitude... I haven't heard that word in.... EVER !

Nice one...and you are correct sir! You win a cookie.

I just find it silly people are still going out of their way to bash the Nolan batsuits. There are some of us who liked those suits (plus a large proportion of the non-fanboy community) and besides there's a new non-nolan batsuit that exists now, so what is there to complain about?

I preferred the first Nolan Batsuit to the second Nolan Batsuit. Bale looked so much bigger and more frightening in the first one. The panther neck was a big help.

I think what made the Nolan suit work so well in "Begins" was the fact that they first showed the ninja outfits...similar feel to Batman...Then then show the infantry development Kevlar suit and other parts including the designing of the cowl and "helmet" which lends a sense of realism in our minds. Batman, in the first film, is never seen very clearly in the light of day. Our imagination filled the blanks and made it work very well.

 

[Boom]

Where did they confirm that we'd be getting the other film suits?

 

[superboy13]

The first Nolan suit was solid. The second one was awful. The cowl that squished Bale's mouth, the lightbulb head, the little horns, the pencil neck, the bra... an absolute mess.

 

[DKDetective]

Verisimilitude and absolute realism are not the same things.

No, of course not, but it is problematic that in seeking verisimilitude in bringing Batman's world to life, Nolan's team sought contrived explanations not supported in reality for capabilities in the comics when the actual technology depicted in the comics exists in real life and was in development at the time. You don't have to put Batman in cumbersome fantastical Kevlar plate armour when the thin, cloth-like nanofiber and/or Kevlar armour he is depicted as wearing in the comics actually exists in reality. That is where my criticism, which started this debate came from.

 

[KillerWolf]

Where did they confirm that we'd be getting the other film suits?

I don't think they did. I believe hafizbat was simply expressing his hopes and expectations.

 

[souperman]

No, of course not, but it is problematic that in seeking verisimilitude in bringing Batman's world to life, Nolan's team sought contrived explanations not supported in reality for capabilities in the comics when the actual technology depicted in the comics exists in real life and was in development at the time. You don't have to put Batman in cumbersome fantastical Kevlar plate armour when the thin, cloth-like nanofiber and/or Kevlar armour he is depicted as wearing in the comics actually exists in reality. That is where my criticism, which started this debate came from.

Of course this discussion is all in fun...as we wait for the film...but

Where does this thin nano fiber exist? Spider silk? Is the Bat exceptionally good at milking spiders?
The Kevlar cloth I have experience with has many layers and is fairly thick.
Allowing that Bruce is a gazillionair, and has access to the state of the art, x-peri mental tech, he could have better equipment. Hence the thin (presumably ) knife resistant, fire resistant, flexible outer shell, with armor plates and pads to help absorb the impacts.

Film makers can't rely on the entire audience to be up to date on the latest technology, so they cheat a bit to explain.

Some do it better than others. Nolan did it well in Begins, Favro did it well in IM.
Snyder did it well in MOS. all had faults, but not fatal flaws IMO.
At least it is more plausible than accepting that a guy wearing only a spandex jumpsuit is taking fire and being pummeled all day and yet survives...without a scratch.

 

[superboy13]

Of course this discussion is all in fun...as we wait for the film...but

Where does this thin nano fiber exist? Spider silk? Is the Bat exceptionally good at milking spiders?
The Kevlar cloth I have experience with has many layers and is fairly thick.
Allowing that Bruce is a gazillionair, and has access to the state of the art, x-peri mental tech, he could have better equipment. Hence the thin (presumably ) knife resistant, fire resistant, flexible outer shell, with armor plates and pads to help absorb the impacts.

Film makers can't rely on the entire audience to be up to date on the latest technology, so they cheat a bit to explain.

Some do it better than others. Nolan did it well in Begins, Favro did it well in IM.
Snyder did it well in MOS. all had faults, but not fatal flaws IMO.
At least it is more plausible than accepting that a guy wearing only a spandex jumpsuit is taking fire and being pummeled all day and yet survives...without a scratch.

That part isn't necessary though.

 

[souperman]

 

[superboy13]

 

[souperman]

just funnin with ya.