BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - - - Part 31

[matt47]

That is so effing cool! I'm sure you'd still bruise and such but damn..
This is what I imagine Bruce would be wearing.

 

[lujho]

Given the numerous arguments that have been had in this thread over the years about "armoured" vs "fabric" Batsuits, I thought this would be of interest to many:

http://garrisonbespoke.com/custom-suits/bulletproof-suit/

It seems bulletproof business suits (a la Kingsman) are now a reality. Nolan's ridiculously overarmoured "Kevlar plate" Batsuits look particularly ridiculous now.

I'd rather be shot wearing that suit than a regular one, but armour with rigid plates will always be protective than one that is just fabric, no matter how advanced. It just absorbs the shock better.

I've always thought the batsuit should have rigid plates, just UNDER the cloth. I think there's a good chance that's what we've got anyway.

 

[DKDetective]

I'd rather be shot wearing that suit than a regular one, but armour with rigid plates will always be protective than one that is just fabric, no matter how advanced. It just absorbs the shock better.

I've always thought the batsuit should have rigid plates, just UNDER the cloth. I think there's a good chance that's what we've got anyway.

I get what you are saying that Batman would need more than just nanofiber bullet protection and I agree in principle. Nanofiber armour will not stop a knife for instance, but your post demonstrates a major misunderstanding common in this thread regarding how modern body armour actually works. A traditional Kevlar bulletproof vest is not made of hardened plates. It's a thick, dense, and heavy fabric material which is why the vest conforms to the wearer's body. The plates in modern military vests are not Kevlar, but ceramic. The ceramic plate has nothing to do with shock absorption. It is there to protect against high velocity military rounds that would otherwise penetrate the usual Kevlar found in a police vest. The ceramic plate shatters on impact and is only good for one use. It is not very helpful for a Batman who would need to replace his suit every time he is shot. It is also for these reasons that "hardened Kevlar plates dipped in titanium" as described in TDK and TDKR make little scientific sense.

The reason why nanofiber and liquid body armours currently being developed are so revolutionary is because they do help with shock absorption. They are being designed to dissipate the energy of the impact throughout the material in unheard of ways. So when they do become advanced enough, they will be far more effective in terms of shock absorption than "rigid" plates.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

There's this as well:

Wow. This is probably the best skin of the entire Arkham Series.

 

[The Shape]

Can someone post the GIF of Ben walking around the corner in the new suit? Pretty please.

Walking around the corner?

 

[KillerWolf]

Wow. This is probably the best skin of the entire Arkham Series.

I never liked this suit, but it does seem to be the best one, proportionally.

 

[Boy Scout]

I've always loved that suit's symbol and belt.

Oh yeah would love the Returns suit. It's also my favourite Batman movie.

It's probably my second or third favorite. Easily the most underrated Batman film.

Given the numerous arguments that have been had in this thread over the years about "armoured" vs "fabric" Batsuits, I thought this would be of interest to many:

http://garrisonbespoke.com/custom-suits/bulletproof-suit/

It seems bulletproof business suits (a la Kingsman) are now a reality. Nolan's ridiculously overarmoured "Kevlar plate" Batsuits look particularly ridiculous now.

How so? It's not Nolan's fault bulletproof suits didn't exist at the time he made his movies.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I love the v7.43 bat suit that is from Arkham city

 

[DKDetective]

How so? It's not Nolan's fault bulletproof suits didn't exist at the time he made his movies.

First off, his claim was to ground his Batman mythos in reality by giving Bruce technology that was in the pipeline 5-10 years in the future. That was Nolan's explanation for the memory cloth cape for instance. Nanofibers and liquid body armour were all things in development in the mid-2000s and now coming to fruition 5-10 years later. Second, as set out in second post, the TDK/R suit has very little basis in the actual science of body armour at the time. Turning Kevlar into hardened plates takes away most of its advantages over earlier technologies. It was the armour of choice because it was soft, light, and flexible in comparison to the metal helmets and plates experimented in the WWI and WWII.

 

[KillerWolf]

Can kevlar be turned into plates at all? I always found this odd.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I really think it's a hangover from previous live action films. None have avoided that padded rubber look..except Batfleck

Spoiler

 

[Boy Scout]

First off, his claim was to ground his Batman mythos in reality by giving Bruce technology that was in the pipeline 5-10 years in the future.

In reference to body armor, gadgets, or both? I'm not trying to be difficult, I just haven't read many of those interviews.

But anyway: what I was trying to say is that the technological achievements of the present don't necessarily make what we've gotten in the past look worse. But that's just my opinion. Obviously, YMMV.

Second, as set out in second post, the TDK/R suit has very little basis in the actual science of body armour at the time. Turning Kevlar into hardened plates takes away most of its advantages over earlier technologies. It was the armour of choice because it was soft, light, and flexible in comparison to the metal helmets and plates experimented in the WWI and WWII.

Yikes. That does sound like a pretty glaring error.

 

[DKDetective]

Can kevlar be turned into plates at all? I always found this odd.

Yes, kinda. Modern soldiers helmets are made from hardened Kevlar, but it is kind of flexible, which is why when they were introduced in the US Army in 1980s, they had to give soldiers special training not to treat them like their old steel helmets since they could end up bent the wrong and that could ruin their antiballistic qualities.

In reference to body armor, gadgets, or both? I'm not trying to be difficult, I just haven't read many of those interviews.

But anyway: what I was trying to say is that the technological achievements of the present don't necessarily make what we've gotten in the past look worse. But that's just my opinion. Obviously, YMMV.



Yikes. That does sound like a pretty glaring error.

If you have the two disc version of Batman Begins, there is a pretty lengthy featurette about their approach to the suit and the technology of Batman's world in which they talk about how they looked things currently in development that would be coming out in 5-10 years as inspiration for Batman's equipment. I don't think a reference was made to the suit that way, but considering that was their general design ideology, it should have applied to the Batsuit as well.

Since I joined here in 2011 and even going back to lurking years in 2007, pro-comics accurate Batsuit people were always arguing in favour of a nanofiber or liquid armour Batsuit as a grounded way of going a suit that wasn't foam latex. Nolan defenders would usually say something to the effect that such technology was too far off. And here we are less than 10 years later and it is the one that actually exists in a functional form. I think the fact that such technology has come to pass is evidence that Nolan and co. didn't really do a good job of applying their stated design methodology to the Batsuit because their two versions of the suit aren't really as well-grounded like they claimed to be trying to do.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yes, kinda. Modern soldiers helmets are made from hardened Kevlar, but it is kind of flexible, which is why when they were introduced in the US Army in 1980s, they had to give soldiers special training not to treat them like their old steel helmets since they could end up bent the wrong and that could ruin their antiballistic qualities.

Interesting... didn't know about this, I only heard of ceramic plates for armor before.

 

[Mindreaper21]

I just feel like Batman's suit should be made up of something fictional like vibranium or adamantium. It doesn't have something that we know exists for a fact. This is a comic character after all and it's not too far fetched of an idea that all earth based metals and materials have not been found. Batman can have a far more advanced suit. Maybe even as strong as kryptonian suit. Just a thought.

 

[souperman]

I just feel like Batman's suit should be made up of something fictional like vibranium or adamantium. It doesn't have something that we know exists for a fact. This is a comic character after all and it's not too far fetched of an idea that all earth based metals and materials have not been found. Batman can have a far more advanced suit. Maybe even as strong as kryptonian suit. Just a thought.

...it would be like a raw egg inside a steel box...still gonna get scrambled!

...and Kryptonian tech is supposed to be hundreds of thousands of years more advanced. To much of a reach for me...

 

[Sean of Justice]

I never liked this suit, but it does seem to be the best one, proportionally.

The only thing I really didn't like about the '89 suit was the weird alteration they made to the logo. Could never understand why they did that.

 

[Mindreaper21]

...it would be like a raw egg inside a steel box...still gonna get scrambled!

...and Kryptonian tech is supposed to be hundreds of thousands of years more advanced. To much of a reach for me...

Batman could get his hands on a kryptonian suit. t:

 

[hafizbat]

I get what you are saying that Batman would need more than just nanofiber bullet protection and I agree in principle. Nanofiber armour will not stop a knife for instance, but your post demonstrates a major misunderstanding common in this thread regarding how modern body armour actually works. A traditional Kevlar bulletproof vest is not made of hardened plates. It's a thick, dense, and heavy fabric material which is why the vest conforms to the wearer's body. The plates in modern military vests are not Kevlar, but ceramic. The ceramic plate has nothing to do with shock absorption. It is there to protect against high velocity military rounds that would otherwise penetrate the usual Kevlar found in a police vest. The ceramic plate shatters on impact and is only good for one use. It is not very helpful for a Batman who would need to replace his suit every time he is shot. It is also for these reasons that "hardened Kevlar plates dipped in titanium" as described in TDK and TDKR make little scientific sense.

The reason why nanofiber and liquid body armours currently being developed are so revolutionary is because they do help with shock absorption. They are being designed to dissipate the energy of the impact throughout the material in unheard of ways. So when they do become advanced enough, they will be far more effective in terms of shock absorption than "rigid" plates.

First off, his claim was to ground his Batman mythos in reality by giving Bruce technology that was in the pipeline 5-10 years in the future. That was Nolan's explanation for the memory cloth cape for instance. Nanofibers and liquid body armour were all things in development in the mid-2000s and now coming to fruition 5-10 years later. Second, as set out in second post, the TDK/R suit has very little basis in the actual science of body armour at the time. Turning Kevlar into hardened plates takes away most of its advantages over earlier technologies. It was the armour of choice because it was soft, light, and flexible in comparison to the metal helmets and plates experimented in the WWI and WWII.

Yes, kinda. Modern soldiers helmets are made from hardened Kevlar, but it is kind of flexible, which is why when they were introduced in the US Army in 1980s, they had to give soldiers special training not to treat them like their old steel helmets since they could end up bent the wrong and that could ruin their antiballistic qualities.



If you have the two disc version of Batman Begins, there is a pretty lengthy featurette about their approach to the suit and the technology of Batman's world in which they talk about how they looked things currently in development that would be coming out in 5-10 years as inspiration for Batman's equipment. I don't think a reference was made to the suit that way, but considering that was their general design ideology, it should have applied to the Batsuit as well.

Since I joined here in 2011 and even going back to lurking years in 2007, pro-comics accurate Batsuit people were always arguing in favour of a nanofiber or liquid armour Batsuit as a grounded way of going a suit that wasn't foam latex. Nolan defenders would usually say something to the effect that such technology was too far off. And here we are less than 10 years later and it is the one that actually exists in a functional form. I think the fact that such technology has come to pass is evidence that Nolan and co. didn't really do a good job of applying their stated design methodology to the Batsuit because their two versions of the suit aren't really as well-grounded like they claimed to be trying to do.

You seem to have very extensive knowledge in this field, and I remember you saying in a different thread that you work in a very formal environment where you have to wear suits, ties, and black dress shoes daily...

You must be a real life super-spy.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Batman could get his hands on a kryptonian suit. t:

Who's not to say that the armor batsuit isn't made from kryptonian alloy. I wouldn't be surprised if Wayne Enterprise or even LexCorp gathered some of the remaining kryptonian tech from the fallout of Man of Steel. I clearly shows that LexCorp got their hands on Zod's corpse so what's not to say that pieces of the world engine or armour isn't in military possession.

 

[Mindreaper21]

As far as the movie is concerned, that is what I'm hoping for. Though, I mean for the character in general. There's no limit to what can be done with Batman's suit but the mind of the writer.

 

[roach]

Who's not to say that the armor batsuit isn't made from kryptonian alloy. I wouldn't be surprised if Wayne Enterprise or even LexCorp gathered some of the remaining kryptonian tech from the fallout of Man of Steel. I clearly shows that LexCorp got their hands on Zod's corpse so what's not to say that pieces of the world engine or armour isn't in military possession.

Kryptonian alloy didn't seem anymore resistant to Superman than earth Alloys. Almost every ship in MOS he punched through easily.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Almost every ship in MOS he punched through easily.

Yep. And in the words of the immortal Tom Hardy

[BLACKOUT]it was f***ing alloy[/BLACKOUT]

 

[souperman]

...yes,. Its not a question of Kryptonian armor...it's a question of air speed velocity.

 

[TheBat812]

To be be fair, most of the arguments were for ARMOR not black rubber, and affleck clearly also has armor, just with some fabric over it. The people against black rubber thought he didn't need armor because he's batman and can apparently dodge anything and everything. Like i predicted, Snyder and wilkinson found a way to combine the two into a fanboys wet dream. Everybody wins!