The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[The Batman]

Snyder had three movies. That's more than most get.

Donner and Burton delivered some of the most popular and successful CBMs ever. The former was still fired in the middle of making a sequel, and the latter was pushed out the door because BR was deemed too violent for the kids.

Snyder didn't accomplish anywhere near what those guys did, and he still got a whole trilogy.

So many Snyder fans don't seem to realize how lucky they are.

 

[dhandler01]

And this is the reason why many Snyder fans don't like Gunn fans... for this reason alone.
Why should they blindly accept you when you humiliate and insult them at every turn? Heck, I saw this happen back when Superman Returns was coming out, and the first suit picture was released, and the incredible divisiveness that people had between Donner's vision and Singer's vision...

I'm on nobody's side, I'm on my own side, I see merits on both sides, but this divide is only going to get worse before it gets better if both sides cannot put aside their differences, And I'm not saying that just to those who support James Gunn, I'm also referring to those who support Snyder and blindly think that Snyder can do no wrong

I tend to not like Gunn's films and spent many hours defending Snyder on here. I am a Superman fan so no offense to them but I am here for the character not the director. They are the opposite.

 

[Tra-El]

I think Snyder understood Superman. He just didn’t understand Superman’s appeal. I mean, he admitted to never liking the “traditional superhero stuff.” That says it all, really. He doesn’t get why people like that stuff, plain and simple.

Outside of the Donnerverse, it seemed like whoever was running the studio had no intentions or intrigue to do a traditional; classic take on Superman. All the documentaries I've watched had one underlying denominator with the thought process of approaching the developmental hell that was Superman..

..make a relatable and darker take that breaks the character down to its barebone skeleton and focus on the alien aspects to tell a cinematic story directors in Hollywood crave. If you look at all the failed Superman attempts that never made it to fruition (even George Miller's take like JL Mortal) they all broke the barriers and steered away from the traditional take. There was only a few in the industry that may have been somewhat interested in what Gunn is doing now, but not many.

I agree Zack understood Superman (probably more than anyone gives him credit for) but all he did was make the type of film the studio prided themselves on that separated them from the pact.

Then came the Avengers.

We can go on forever about what has come before us and how we got here, but timing is everything, even for a studio that publicly outed their views on how they feel about Superman. Everything has led to this. Regardless if anyone is onboard with it, the time is now for a classic Superman movie where there probably isn't a better CBM director to helm those credentials than James Gunn (love him or hate him). Either way, we were getting this direction for the character (even if Cavill was the lead, who made it clear what is happening as we speak is exactly what he wanted to do).

Better NOW than NEVER.

 

[Gothamsknight]

More and more I realize the hardcore Snyder fans only knew about Superman through Snyder, or, at the very least, feel like he somehow legitimized the character. It's actually alarming how much they openly reject ALL other versions both before and after Snyder came into the fold. They don't even want Superman to even look like Superman anymore. Like, a colorful suit is now seen as a downgrade? Really?

I am curious what exactly it is about Snyder's version that has such a stranglehold on certain people. It's an obsession at this point.

Tell me, what exactly is it about this suit that is bad? I'm genuinely curious. Snyder's version had no color whatsoever in MoS, but thats more like Superman right? Ridiculous.


Not everybody that dislikes this suit is a hardcore cultist, but all the hardcore cultists dislike it. Even if they say they went in with an open mind.

 

[Babillygunn]

Outside of the Donnerverse, it seemed like whoever was running the studio had no intentions or intrigue to do a traditional; classic take on Superman. All the documentaries I've watched had one underlying denominator with the thought process of approaching the developmental hell that was Superman..

..make a relatable and darker take that breaks the character down to its barebone skeleton and focus on the alien aspects to tell a cinematic story directors in Hollywood crave. If you look at all the failed Superman attempts that never made it to fruition (even George Miller's take like JL Mortal) they all broke the barriers and steered away from the traditional take. There was only a few in the industry that may have been somewhat interested in what Gunn is doing now, but not many.

I agree Zack understood Superman (probably more than anyone gives him credit for) but all he did was make the type of film the studio prided themselves on that separated them from the pact.

Then came the Avengers.

We can go on forever about what has come before us and how we got here, but timing is everything, even for a studio that publicly outed their views on how they feel about Superman. Everything has led to this. Regardless if anyone is onboard with it, the time is now for a classic Superman movie where there probably isn't a better CBMbdirector to helm those credentials than James Gunn (love him or hate him). Either way, we were getting this direction for the character (even if Cavill was the lead, who made it clear what is happening as we speak is exactly what he wanted to do).

Better NOW than NEVER.

There is a right and a wrong way to portray the alien (and alienated) aspects of Superman.
Birthright=good
Superman Smashes the Klan=great
Mos = not so much

 

[Arachnerd]

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I know certain people on social media are gonna throw a hissy fit over this.

 

[Mindreaper21]

“Snyder fan” “Gunn fan”. I’m so tired of hearing these terms. Every writer has a different take on every character. This includes comics as well. Not every person is going to like every version of a character. It’s also wrong to group people and label them a certain way simply for liking something.

It would be great if people could just go back to discussing what they love about the characters and expressing what they dislike instead of hate bashing one another over a difference of opinion. I’m not targeting anyone here specifically. Its just a cancerous mentality in the fandom that needs to go away asap.

If you like something about Superman. Good. If you dislike something about Superman. Good. If you want to share ideas of what you would do differently. Good. You all are the inspiration for this character’s growth.

 

[dhandler01]

Don’t ask me, I said it was BS.

I know...just needed to rant a bit

 

[Super Kal]

Disney made Andor which is the best product EVER produced by the Star Wars franchise by a country mile, so once again you sound like you’re just parroting those talking points frequented by the cult’s favorite YouTube channels.

It’s rage bait, and nothing more. No “merit” to be found. They don’t “critique” (which you can’t do with something you haven’t seen), they whine and yell.

I never said anything bad about Andor... Personally I haven't watched it yet, but I have heard good things, I've also heard that it's the most "non Star Wars-ish" Star Wars TV show, If that makes any sense... again not saying it's bad

The reason I brought up Star Wars is because of all the controversy behind the Acolyte... I would say that the acolyte is one of those shows where you could have discern that it was going to be a terrible show from the beginning based on what the director wanted to do with the show.

.You keep saying that you are only loyal to the character of Superman, but you are purposefully diverting attention from the day where set photos of his new movie are coming out to justify the Snyder bros’ animosity toward this film.

Snyder’s Superman lacked many of the core aspects of the character. He murdered, he moped, he saw his powers as a burden, and his parents, who have always been his moral compass, encouraged him to look out for himself and to reject self-sacrifice.

Personally, I’m not a huge fan of James Gunn. I liked Guardians 1 and loved 3. I hate Super, I hate Brightburn, and I hate Slither. But so far, everything that has been said about this Superman film and everything that I’ve seen has been spot on. So I am very excited.

OK, I'm going to repeat myself again, because it looks like, for whatever reason you missed this part when I said:
I am not a die hard Snyder fan

I hate, loathe, and despise BvS... I hate that film with a passion... I hate how it portrays Superman.
I hate how Batman gets first billing over Superman, when this was supposed to be an official sequel to Man of Steel...
I hate the fact that Snyder butchered the doomsday character, how it butchered the death of Superman storyline , a storyline which as a kid had me in tears, anxious, and nervous, and angry, and everywhere in between in keeping me at the side of my bed reading every single comic book up to the point where Superman came back... I hate Snyder for doing that.

I don't have unwavering support for Snyder, and I also do not have unwavering support for Gunn either... I am in the middle ground. The thing I want to see, honestly, is the Snyderverse be completed as it originally was supposed to be. If we had gotten that, I would be happy for the Snyder fans, I would be happy for the Gunn fans, and that's not a personal insult at chickflick85, There are those that do call themselves Gunn fans and love everything Gunn does regardless of what he does, and there those were called Snyder fans who will love everything Snyder does regardless of what he does... to be honest, I know it's never going to happen, I just want everybody to be happy...

 

[Snow Queen]

The reason I brought up Star Wars is because of all the controversy behind the Acolyte... I would say that the acolyte is one of those shows where you could have discern that it was going to be a terrible show from the beginning based on what the director wanted to do with the show.

What did they state is their desire for the show and what is the source of controversy?

 

[dhandler01]

I think Snyder understood Superman. He just didn’t understand Superman’s appeal. I mean, he admitted to never liking the “traditional superhero stuff.” That says it all, really. He doesn’t get why people like that stuff, plain and simple.

Then he doesn't get Superman. He got Ultraman, maybe even could get Apollo...but if you dont get why people like traditional superhero stuff you don't get Superman. He is literally the tradition Superhero

 

[flickchick85]

Outside of the Donnerverse, it seemed like whoever was running the studio had no intentions or intrigue to do a traditional; classic take on Superman. All the documentaries I've watched had one underlying denominator with the thought process of approaching the developmental hell that was Superman..

..make a relatable and darker take that breaks the character down to its barebone skeleton and focus on the alien aspects to tell a cinematic story directors in Hollywood crave. If you look at all the failed Superman attempts that never made it to fruition (even George Miller's take like JL Mortal) they all broke the barriers and steered away from the traditional take. There was only a few in the industry that may have been somewhat interested in what Gunn is doing now, but not many.

I agree Zack understood Superman (probably more than anyone gives him credit for) but all he did was make the type of film the studio prided themselves on that separated them from the pact.

Then came the Avengers.

We can go on forever about what has come before us and how we got here, but timing is everything, even for a studio that publicly outed their views on how they feel about Superman. Everything has led to this. Regardless if anyone is onboard with it, the time is now for a classic Superman movie where there probably isn't a better CBMbdirector to helm those credentials than James Gunn (love him or hate him). Either way, we were getting this direction for the character (even if Cavill was the lead, who made it clear what is happening as we speak is exactly what he wanted to do).

Better NOW than NEVER.

I disagree on Gunn being the best choice for it, but I’ll take him. Not the worst, either.

Agreed on people up top at WB not getting Superman’s appeal for a long time. I know there’s a rabid morbid curiosity for Superman Lives but I genuinely believe it would have been absolutely awful. Flyby would’ve been better than SR or MoS, though, and I’ll die on that hill. Really hoping this is The One, though. It sure feels like it so far, imo.

 

[Kane52630]

He understood Goku and that's it.

 

[Tra-El]

There is a right and a wrong way to portray the alien (and alienated) aspects of Superman.
Birthright=good
Superman Smashes the Klan=great
Mos = not so much

I respect your opinion for sure. Agree to disagree

 

[dhandler01]

literally Dana Delany's Lois

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[DKDetective]

Freedom of Speech doesn't even really mean that...it is a guideline that the government is not allowed to censor speech. Plenty of speech is censored every day in the country. My major pet peeve is people who don't get that. (not you) Its like people who say we don't have a right to think someone is guilty when they are charged. I am not a court of law or on a jury, I can think someone is guilty any time I want to.

But ultimately they have a right to an opinion, and I have a right to tell them their opinion sucks. They can do what they want with that information. Their right to an opinion doesn't superce3de my right to have a contrary opinion and tell them I disagree. They have a right to be wrong, and I have a right to tell them so.

You are quite right about the constitutional right of freedom of speech. I was discussing the philosophical idea and the marketplace of ideas more broadly.

 

[Gothamsknight]

This is starting to feel like Superman TAS come to life. Lawd!

 

[Tra-El]

I disagree on Gunn being the best choice for it, but I’ll take him. Not the worst, either.

Agreed on people up top at WB not getting Superman’s appeal for a long time. I know there’s a rabid morbid curiosity for Superman Lives but I genuinely believe it would have been absolutely awful. Flyby would’ve been better than SR or MoS, though, and I’ll die on that hill. Really hoping this is The One, though. It sure feels like it so far, imo.

Oh, I have my doubts on JG. I really do. There are some things I can't wait to see what he cooks up, but there are also many worries I have he inevitably will have in his back pocket that I hope sticks. We're going to find out! But as far as the right guy for the job, sure we all may have chosen different, but you're only as good as your track record indicates, and WBD is squarely relying on his GotG successes as the barometer of trust. Gunn does have a pulse on making a good CBM that the audience enjoys, so with that, I am cautiously optimistic in that regard. I think he can do it.

 

[dhandler01]

Zack Snyder was to DC what Vince Russo was to WCW.

As a WCW fan going back to 1992...that stings.

 

[Babillygunn]

I never said anything bad about Andor... Personally I haven't watched it yet, but I have heard good things, I've also heard that it's the most "non Star Wars-ish" Star Wars TV show, If that makes any sense... again not saying it's bad

The reason I brought up Star Wars is because of all the controversy behind the Acolyte... I would say that the acolyte is one of those shows where you could have discern that it was going to be a terrible show from the beginning based on what the director wanted to do with the show.

OK, I'm going to repeat myself again, because it looks like, for whatever reason you missed this part when I said:
I am not a die hard Snyder fan

I hate, loathe, and despise BvS... I hate that film with a passion... I hate how it portrays Superman.
I hate how Batman gets first billing over Superman, when this was supposed to be an official sequel to Man of Steel...
I hate the fact that Snyder butchered the doomsday character, how it butchered the death of Superman storyline , a storyline which as a kid had me in tears, anxious, and nervous, and angry, and everywhere in between in keeping me at the side of my bed reading every single comic book up to the point where Superman came back... I hate Snyder for doing that.

I don't have unwavering support for Snyder, and I also do not have unwavering support for Gunn either... I am in the middle ground. The thing I want to see, honestly, is the Snyderverse be completed as it originally was supposed to be. If we had gotten that, I would be happy for the Snyder fans, I would be happy for the Gunn fans, and that's not a personal insult at chickflick85, There are those that do call themselves Gunn fans and love everything Gunn does regardless of what he does, and there those were called Snyder fans who will love everything Snyder does regardless of what he does... to be honest, I know it's never going to happen, I just want everybody to be happy...

Ok. Here’s the funny thing about me:

I love the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
Andrew Garfield is my favorite Spider-Man and ASM is my favorite Spider-Man movie.
I don’t like Matt Reeve’s The Batman.
I love the live action Little Mermaid. I love the live action Mulan.

Literally no one agrees with me on most of my preferences. And I’m ok with that because I’m a grown up. I am not looking for pity because I didn’t get ASM 3, and I don’t fault Tom Holland in the least. I supported those films.

 

[Primal Slayer]

That's fine... I hope you understand, I'm not trying to scream at you, or try to start a fight with you... I understand we're both Superman fans both we both love the character so much, and I hope that even though we may disagree with one another on this, we can still coalesce in these forms peacefully without being at each other's throats.


Actually, the script that James Gunn was writing was not written by James Gunn, Gunn himself admitted that in a Twitter post, and he said that this script was actually a script that WB has had in preparation 6 months prior to James Gunn being announced as the head of WB...

James Gunn had also said in the past a year prior that he had no interest, absolutely zero interest in writing a Superman film or directing anything from Warner Brothers, of course he would go on to say that he did not want to run or had no interest in running WB by himself, that's why we had David Zaslav along with him handling the financial side, and James Gunn handling the creative side...

I think the anger for Gunn comes from the fact that Gunn took over WB completely, renamed it, and instead of using the known actors that were portraying the characters, he went to rely on a script that was not his, and was a script that the prior regime had on a back burner...

Because Gunn could have used the current actors, and applied the vision that he had, and you could have seen Henry Cavill in this exact same suit, or a suit possibly similar to what we saw today... I do think that when Gunn was given the reins, he could have done something that would have mended the bridge that Walter Hamada and the past regime burned, but he didn't, and that's probably why these people hate Gunn so much... because there was potential, and instead of blossoming that potential, he gave up.

If he had mended that bridge, I guarantee you, we would not see the vitriol and hatred that Snyder fans have for Gunn, and I do believe that the fan base would have been more unified if Gunn took into consideration the fan base that the Snyderverse had, and still has to this day, And transitioned the DCEU into the DCU by finishing out what Snyder had originally planned... I really truly do believe if he did that

This what i say to Snyder fans or Superman fans when they feel they've been mistreated:

When George Miller gets to do his JL film that was canceled due to the writers strike

And When Batgirla film comes out

And when Wonder Woman gets treated with respect in all the ways Superman has...

Snyder can finish out his films after getting 3 films to do what he wanted. The only director w/a DC property next to Nolan who got 3 films.

 

[Super Kal]

What did they state is their desire for the show and what is the source of controversy?

Leslye Hedland has said that she is not writing this show for what she calls a "toxic fanbase"... I 100% passionately disagree with her about that. Yes, there are people in the fan base that are toxic It's like that in every franchise), But to call the entire fan base "toxic" simply because they don't like your vision of Star Wars, that's just downright stupidity, and asking for trouble.

And
again
I'm not saying that's what's going to happen to the DCU... I am just voicing my concern, and since we're seeing a beloved science fiction franchise burn to the ground because of someone wanting to insert their own personal bias in agenda into it, Making it into something that it's not, I don't want that to happen to the Superman franchise.

 

[Herolee10]

Just realized that we now have our first screenshot from the actual movie (look at the screen above the camera).

 

[dhandler01]

I disagree on Gunn being the best choice for it, but I’ll take him. Not the worst, either.

Agreed on people up top at WB not getting Superman’s appeal for a long time. I know there’s a rabid morbid curiosity for Superman Lives but I genuinely believe it would have been absolutely awful. Flyby would’ve been better than SR or MoS, though, and I’ll die on that hill. Really hoping this is The One, though. It sure feels like it so far, imo.

Superman Lives would have been a travesty...

 

[Tra-El]

Zack Snyder was to DC what Vince Russo was to WCW.

The only thing that killed WCW was a merger.

Go figure.