The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[BWX]

And Marvel has a universe that DC will never match. Last time i checked universe> trilogy. You are not gonna win this one buddy. Quit while you are behind. You are just throwing everyone under the sun, DC, Fox to try and justify that the MCU is inferior when every measurable evidence from fan response, critical acclaim and box office is the exact opposite. Drop it, you are embarrassing yourself.

a universe that has gotten stale, lacking of imagination with no creative freedom. just a soulless cooperate product pushed out by disney.meh. no thanks. keep xmen away from that

if anyone is embarrassing themselves it is disney that treats comics films as means to sell toys and noting more, nothing of intellect like nolan treated the tdk trilogy or how other directors treated the best of the xmen movies.


please do you even know why X3 is bad compared to X2. X2 was s smart compelling drama, it was our TDK before TDK. It dealt with issue of genocide and the holocaust and had superb film directing that was exclusive only to that director style unlike mcu movies that look the same and feel the same. X3 was superficial CGI nonsense.


the reason age of ultron is bad compared to avengers is because both movies are the same and is too repetitive. which make me ask, how good is the first one?

 

[BaronZemo]

a universe that has gotten stale, lacking of imagination with no creative freedom. just a soulless cooperate product pushed out by disney.meh. no thanks. keep xmen away from that

if anyone is embarrassing themselves it is disney that treats comics films as means to sell toys and noting more, nothing of intellect like nolan treated the tdk trilogy or how other directors treated the best of the xmen movies.


please do you even know why X3 is bad compared to X2. X2 was s smart compelling drama, it was our TDK before TDK. It dealt with issue of genocide and the holocaust and had superb film directing that was exclusive only to that director style unlike mcu movies that look the same and feel the same. X3 was superficial CGI nonsense.


the reason age of ultron is bad compared to avengers is because both movies are the same and is too repetitive. which make me ask, how good is the first one?

Yes it's so stale that Black Panther and Ragnarok released back to back are the same movie and in no way have the respective voice and sensibilities of their directors shining through the films. The same applies for Guardians, Civil War etc. It's gotten so stale that as i said Phase 3 is widely considered the best phase by far.

You are just an internet cliche and you can't even think of an original complaint. You are just a mixtape of anti-MCU talk. You still haven't talked to me about the MCU villains,i' shocked. Did you miss that trope to parrot?

Calling the MCU stale while the last main X-men movie was Apocalypse is really amusing. Seriously.

 

[BWX]

I just hate people wearing the "fan cloak" when in reality the ONLY THING they want is for the MCU to not become more popular getting back THEIR OWN CHARACTERS. Their own creations.

They would have F4 driven through the Hades and Kinberg directed 8 movies if it means the X-men/F4 would stay away from Marvel.

fan clock. please can you tell me how mcu will adapt the mutant massacre that will do justice to the nature of the story.maybe even r rated or pushing the boundaries of pg 13 like DOFP did.


I am wearing the fan cloak yet I am the only one who seems to be talking about xmen comic stories that disney will find too dark or too heavy for their disney brand.

 

[BaronZemo]

fan clock. please can you tell me how mcu will adapt the mutant massacre that will do justice to the nature of the story.maybe even r rated or pushing the boundaries of pg 13 like DOFP did.


I am wearing the fan cloak yet I am the only one who seems to be talking about xmen comic stories that disney will find too dark or too heavy for their disney brand.

There is no doubt in my mind that Feige wants to adapt Mutant Massacre he will do it. You can show mass murders in pg-13 movies if you are smart. Marvel has dealth with a wider array of serious themes in their movies from colonialism to racism to arms dealing to sacrifice and family issues. There is no indication that they won't do stories like Mutant Massacre or Dark Phoenix equally or better than Fox.

You are just not gonna admit it because you are really salty about the MCU success. This is really what it comes down to. You have seen what Marvel has done with their b and c-listers and you are terrified that if they get the X-men back they are gonna do them close to the essence of the comics and people will start turning on Fox's take. THat's what you are really afraid of.

 

[Kuwolski]

Yes it's so stale that Black Panther and Ragnarok released back to back are the same movie and in no way have the respective voice and sensibilities of their directors shining through the films. The same applies for Guardians, Civil War etc. It's gotten so stale that as i said Phase 3 is widely considered the best phase by far.

You are just an internet cliche and you can't even think of an original complaint. You are just a mixtape of anti-MCU talk. You still haven't talked to me about the MCU villains,i' shocked. Did you miss that trope to parrot?

Calling the MCU stale while the last main X-men movie was Apocalypse is really amusing. Seriously.

Maybe he thinks he's convincing people? Seriously though, it is a welcome break from business talk, lol.

And I give the poster credit, he had 40+ posts biding his time in the Fox-Men forums before finally coming over to the "Keep Hope Alive" thread and do what he registered to do.

 

[BWX]

Yes it's so stale that Black Panther and Ragnarok released back to back are the same movie and in no way have the respective voice and sensibilities of their directors shining through the films. The same applies for Guardians, Civil War etc. It's gotten so stale that as i said Phase 3 is widely considered the best phase by far.

You are just an internet cliche and you can't even think of an original complaint. You are just a mixtape of anti-MCU talk. You still haven't talked to me about the MCU villains,i' shocked. Did you miss that trope to parrot?

Calling the MCU stale while the last main X-men movie was Apocalypse is really amusing. Seriously.

That's the thing. MCU competes with itself because the bar is low, phase 3 is the best to you but weaker than the best of xmen movies. phase 3 to me is the worst. gotg 2, homecoming, thor 3, were just too dumbed down. they were more disney movies.

I remember when winter solider came out, it was so celebrated because it was their most mature and serious movie yet. who talks that way about an xmen movie? no one, because xmen has been making highly adult themed movie from their very first movie. Heck even XMEN TAS, had to fight to keep the adult content because many kids network found it to heavy for kids.


Question

if disney had xmen would wolverine even bring out claws and slice people? or will that be censored

if disney had xmen would disney show xavier as a drugged up hippe in DOFP or will that be censored like they did with iron man's substance abuse issues in iron man 3?

this is why we xmen fans dont want disney. we dont want our content dumbed down.calling me an internet cliche, when I have given you the reality of the matter. and you still cant tell me how disney will make a mutant massacre movie. because they cant.

 

[Crimz]

There are no legitimate reasons for the Fantastic Four and all associated characters to not return to Marvel. None.
And everyone knows it.

 

[BWX]

There is no doubt in my mind that Feige wants to adapt Mutant Massacre he will do it. You can show mass murders in pg-13 movies if you are smart. Marvel has dealth with a wider array of serious themes in their movies from colonialism to racism to arms dealing to sacrifice and family issues. There is no indication that they won't do stories like Mutant Massacre or Dark Phoenix equally or better than Fox.

You are just not gonna admit it because you are really salty about the MCU success. This is really what it comes down to. You have seen what Marvel has done with their b and c-listers and you are terrified that if they get the X-men back they are gonna do them close to the essence of the comics and people will start turning on Fox's take. THat's what you are really afraid of.

Feige said MCU will always be lighthearted, fun and comedic, meaning disney cannot adapt the mutant massacre. they cant even adapt the new mutants story right now that is horror. they could not adapt Ragnarök. Ragnarök should have been like LOTR not a disney comedy movie copying GOTG.

Marvel did well with c listers and b listers because people know nothing about them so disney could morph them to anything they wanted and no one cared.

this is the very reason disney is failing with star wars, like xmen, star wars is an a list or let me say well established series that was well known before disney bought it, so when disney tried to disneyify star wars they failed miserably. that is what will happen with xmen.

there is nobody that will be happy to see xmen turned into GOTG or avengers when we know Logan and X2 exist. people will reject disney xmen they same they rejected disney star wars because the oringal trilogy and prequels exists and we have an idea how xmen and star wars could and should be adapted and they should never be disneyfied.

 

[Zarex]

Here is my take. I hope comcast wins. period. The truth is Marvel has suffered under Disney. they were better when they were on their own. they strived better and their artistic work was better on all grounds..
Disney has hurt marvel movies. marvel movies gets more formulaic, generic and even at times feels like Pixar movies than Marvel movies.

Ooooh nooos! Not Pixar! Da horror!

X-Men fans have never said fox is perfect but in the end we are more likely to choose the better option or the one with more freedom. an xmen fan will never want to see xmen movies get dumbed down or turned into disney comedy because that is not the comics we read.

if you think fox has failed the characters what will you say of marvel characters that feel more like disney prince charming than their comic counterparts. and disney characters have more solo movies to get more attention.

would an xmen fan like it if DOFP movie has been more like Thor Ragnarök or avengers and not like the 2014 film that disney would never have made?. no.

The overwhelming majority of X-Men fans - not FOX First loyalists - would embrace a switch from the Singerverse and it's telling the same story over and over again with terrible costumes, broken continuity, Magneto heel turns, Mystique worship, A list mutants as silent background characters and the continued focus on star actors over the actual X-Men. Marvel's Phase 3 has been brilliant and actual long time comic fans like myself would be ecstatic to see the X-Men be treated in the manner they deserve.

X-Men and DC longevity, always taking risks, growing and redefining itself to MCU supercritical popularity that rival twilight and transformers.

DC still has the TDK trilogy which mcu will never match.

Ask 100 crazy citizens under 19 or 14. they will say mcu. that is the demo. ask people above 30 they will say an xmen movie or another comic film not mcu. afterall, disney has never hidden the fact they dumb mcu movies down to appeal to their young market. whereas xmen movies have always taken pride in the fact that their movies had more maturity and deal with real adult issues and is not about blowing up cities and having fun with little substance.

please do you think anyone above 30 or 40 will prefer a movie like avengers were god is a joke to X2 where god is treated as the spiritual being he is for the many people that think he exists. its a circle of life, as you get older, you get smarter. and that means your taste of movies start to change to the more adult themed ones not the cgi comedy disney fluff.

So you're not just a Singerverse loyalist but also a DCEU apologist? That's a lot to unpack!

I'm considerably (ahem) over 40 and to me the MCU is vastly superior to any other superhero film series, especially the extremely tired Singerverse . To have the characters I loved as a child portrayed in the big screen in such an exemplary manner is more than I could have hoped for when I was picking comics off the spinner rack as a child.

As you continue to mature I am hopeful you will learn to appreciate bringing your family to see MCU movies and enjoying the extraordinary universe Feige has created. Keep Hope Alive!

 

[Detective Conan]

That's the thing. MCU competes with itself because the bar is low, phase 3 is the best to you but weaker than the best of xmen movies. phase 3 to me is the worst. gotg 2, homecoming, thor 3, were just too dumbed down. they were more disney movies.

I remember when winter solider came out, it was so celebrated because it was their most mature and serious movie yet. who talks that way about an xmen movie? no one, because xmen has been making highly adult themed movie from their very first movie. Heck even XMEN TAS, had to fight to keep the adult content because many kids network found it to heavy for kids.


Question

if disney had xmen would wolverine even bring out claws and slice people? or will that be censored

if disney had xmen would disney show xavier as a drugged up hippe in DOFP or will that be censored like they did with iron man's substance abuse issues in iron man 3?

this is why we xmen fans dont want disney. we dont want our content dumbed down.calling me an internet cliche, when I have given you the reality of the matter. and you still cant tell me how disney will make a mutant massacre movie. because they cant.

Jaddor? So you’ve decided to make an account here? I guess I can’t blame you since you’ve been banned so many times on comic book resources.

 

[Crimz]

Jaddor? So you’ve decided to make an account here? I guess I can’t blame you since you’ve been banned so many times on comic book resources.

 

[BaronZemo]

There are no legitimate reasons for the Fantastic Four and all associated characters to not return to Marvel. None.
And everyone knows it.

That's the thing that really infuriates me.I really like and admire the MCU but if Fox was doing a better job with the X-men as whole not just with a couple of characters, i would have zero problems with them staying as Fox.

Yet this guy roots for the F4 to stay with Fox and being turned into a worse joke than cinematic Ghost Rider or Transformers just out of spite. The interest of the characters is second next to corporate bias.

No one in their right mind knowing what kind of company Comcast is should be rotting for them. No one. I'm not a fan of this deal but Disney didn'tput any gun on Fox's head. They decided to sell by themselves. Good, bad for the industry, it happened. Out of the two options Disney and Marvel are way better for the Marvel characters than Comcast/Universal and everyone who has their head in their shoulders knows that.

 

[Dark Raven]

Feige said MCU will always be lighthearted, fun and comedic, meaning disney cannot adapt the mutant massacre. they cant even adapt the new mutants story right now that is horror. they could not adapt Ragnarök. Ragnarök should have been like LOTR not a disney comedy movie copying GOTG.

Marvel did well with c listers and b listers because people know nothing about them so disney could morph them to anything they wanted and no one cared.

this is the very reason disney is failing with star wars, like xmen, star wars is an a list or let me say well established series that was well known before disney bought it, so when disney tried to disneyify star wars they failed miserably. that is what will happen with xmen.

there is nobody that will be happy to see xmen turned into GOTG or avengers when we know Logan and X2 exist. people will reject disney xmen they same they rejected disney star wars because the oringal trilogy and prequels exists and we have an idea how xmen and star wars could and should be adapted and they should never be disneyfied.

You're not being entertaining enough for the rest of us in this thread. You should also bring in the Fantastic Four and make an argument for them and how they should stay at Fox or with Comcast, and how the FF movies have been so much better too. Make sure to defend Fant4stic too because you can't leave that one out.

Please amuse us with your insights. It's been too long since anyone has defended Fox in here that we were beginning to grow stale and complacent.

 

[DyfeddRex]

We will grant him that without Crudt4stic, we might not be this close? Or how about the underperformance and poor delivery on AoA?

Honestly, yes, great break from biz talk,which will be the determining factor, despite our wishes here, but...

to quote another Mouse product: (Best Calhoun Drill Sargent Parade Ground Voice) BULLL ROAAAAR!

 

[DyfeddRex]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/14/fortnite-playstation-4-gamers-outraged-over-switch-cross-play-issue.html

Sooo, does this mean Sony might have to move faster to ditch the pictures division, or at least get ready cash by selling back to Marvel the Spider rights?

 

[Art Freak]

BMX troll is obvious, you guys. Please stop feeding him. It’s going round and round.

 

[BWX]

Ooooh nooos! Not Pixar! Da horror!



The overwhelming majority of X-Men fans - not FOX First loyalists - would embrace a switch from the Singerverse and it's telling the same story over and over again with terrible costumes, broken continuity, Magneto heel turns, Mystique worship, A list mutants as silent background characters and the continued focus on star actors over the actual X-Men. Marvel's Phase 3 has been brilliant and actual long time comic fans like myself would be ecstatic to see the X-Men be treated in the manner they deserve.


So you're not just a Singerverse loyalist but also a DCEU apologist? That's a lot to unpack!

I'm considerably (ahem) over 40 and to me the MCU is vastly superior to any other superhero film series, especially the extremely tired Singerverse . To have the characters I loved as a child portrayed in the big screen in such an exemplary manner is more than I could have hoped for when I was picking comics off the spinner rack as a child.

As you continue to mature I am hopeful you will learn to appreciate bringing your family to see MCU movies and enjoying the extraordinary universe Feige has created. Keep Hope Alive!

Pixar is good for pixar. marvel trying to be pixar is bad for marvel.



when you talk xmen fans, back it up with xmen comics and xmen fans reception of the movies. first of all singer managed to do very well adapting 2 iconic xmen stories in films.


1. god love man kills in X2 (2003)

2, Days Of Future Past in DOFP (2014)

Disney would have done worse with these adaption and not care about the content and I can back it up with them adapting Ultron, Ragnarök and civil war , every xmen fan will agree because we know the comics and we know disney does not have the balls to make serious movies with depth that can rival what Nolan did. even Nolan drew inspirations from the xmen movies. who is mcu inspiring?

as I said, keep talking about xmen fans, I am the xmen fan who can talk about the xmen comics and stories, I dont see you dong the same.xmen fans don't glorify fox but fox is the lesser of two evils. funny, how do you think xmen fans will feel if new mutants becomes like high school musical than the cult classic demon bear saga that fox has the balls to try and make

the same xmen fans are the people who blame disney for writing bad xmen comic stories today. never forget. funny x-men fans loved Logan, perhaps a movie now more cerebrated than TDK as the best of the genre, and you telling me xmen fans will give logan up for gotg wannbe xmen movies following th stale mcu formula? where. what xmen comics supports that theory? name the xmen comic story. and I have read almost everything. that is why I am fan. I can back up my opinions with the xmen comics stories.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

BMX troll is obvious, you guys. Please stop feeding him. It’s going round and round.

I saw a a bunch of new posts and thought maybe there was news on a Disney bid. But it's just a couple pages of ridiculous BS and attention ****ing masquerading as 'debate'.

 

[Abudefduf]

Oh, no! Disney will make mutants and the F4 popular again if good guy Comcast (you know, the company that supports repealing Net Neutrality) doesn't stop them. #TeamComcast #ShuriIsNowMorePopularThanStormAndImOKWithIt

BMX troll is obvious, you guys. Please stop feeding him. It’s going round and round.

He's not a troll. There are plenty of people who feel the same way as him.

 

[BWX]

BMX troll is obvious, you guys. Please stop feeding him. It’s going round and round.

interesting. talking about the depth of xmen stories is trolling.


how will Disney adapt E is for Extinction?

 

[Detective Conan]

even Nolan drew inspirations from the xmen movies.

lol no he didn’t. All you have is a Hugh Jackman quote where he said Nolan was interested in doing Batman for a while and when he saw the Singer X-Men he expressed some admiration for Singer’s more real world take with the X-Men since that was what Nolan’s always wanted to do with Batman. Nolan has never taken inspiration from the X-Men flicks. He’s always been upfront with the films he’s taken inspiration from(i.e, Blade Runner, the James Bond films, crime films like Heat, etc).

 

[DyfeddRex]

I figure Iger will take the weekend to work out a grand slam deal, or to move pieces to drop it into place on Monday.

 

[BWX]

lol no he didn’t. All you have is a Hugh Jackman quote where he said Nolan was interested in doing Batman for a while and when he saw the Singer X-Men he expressed some admiration for Singer’s more real world take with the X-Men since that was what Nolan’s always wanted to do with Batman. Nolan has never taken inspiration from the X-Men flicks. He’s always been upfront with the films he’s taken inspiration from(i.e, Blade Runner, the James Bond films, crime films like Heat, etc).

Nolan schools us on what made X-Men 1 good and this is not even X2 or Logan or DOFP that are better than X1.

http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/movies/christopher-nolan-x-me/70919
There wasn’t really a superhero genre before X-Men came out. Funny enough, I remember catching a plane while we were promoting The Prestige with Chris Nolan [who] said to me that he’d always had the Batman in his mind. Even way back before 2000, he had the version of Batman that he ended up making in his head. He said, ‘when I went into the cinema and saw X-Men, I said damn, that’s my idea.’ The idea that you could really dive in to the emotional life, to the vulnerability of these characters and that, as well as being fantastical, amazing and action, is what’s going to hook people and make them care. That’s what Bryan did, he had a lot of courage to do that.”

Enough said. According to Nolan, X-Men 1 was his idea before singer had the guts to do it. many other directors have admired xmen movies from being way above the stereotypical cgi comic films mcu is known for. I mean this is the reason even TDK hard core fans had no problem when some people declared logan as the greatest comic film ever. What mcu movies can be called that? TWS could not even beat DOFP in 2014 and that is the best MCU movie.

The black panther actor also spoke about how xmen influenced black panther. he wishes he was magneto.
https://screenrant.com/black-panther-tchalla-killmonger-magneto-xavier/

At this point, xmen joining mcu disney, is like a legendary rock star begging to be a Justin Bieber music video.Directors care about story telling, characters and depth and having the creative freedom to do what they want. Nolan was on point about what made xmen 1 work in an intellectual way. Disney does not offer that in their mcu movies. x-men movies needs that.
take the best of xmen and you have a match.

TDK=Logan
Batman Begins = X2
TDKR = DOFP

Poll these movies anywhere, you will hardly see any big arguments because they are so similar is style and tone not to mention the grounded world these films are set in with less colourful CGI and taking things seriously. this is one of the reasons xmen fans and batman fans get along so well. their worlds are similar.

 

[DyfeddRex]

Dollar, just so you know, if it comes to a tie in your mind for what is best to vote for on your shares, I'm still willing to offer bribes, but the banana bread by Great gma's recipe is off the table.

 

[Detective Conan]

Nolan schools us on what made X-Men 1 good and this is not even X2 or Logan or DOFP that are better than X1.

http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/movies/christopher-nolan-x-me/70919
There wasn’t really a superhero genre before X-Men came out. Funny enough, I remember catching a plane while we were promoting The Prestige with Chris Nolan [who] said to me that he’d always had the Batman in his mind. Even way back before 2000, he had the version of Batman that he ended up making in his head. He said, ‘when I went into the cinema and saw X-Men, I said damn, that’s my idea.’ The idea that you could really dive in to the emotional life, to the vulnerability of these characters and that, as well as being fantastical, amazing and action, is what’s going to hook people and make them care. That’s what Bryan did, he had a lot of courage to do that.”

Enough said. According to Nolan, X-Men 1 was his idea before singer had the guts to do it. many other directors have admired xmen movies from being way above the stereotypical cgi comic films mcu is known for. I mean this is the reason even TDK hard core fans had no problem when some people declared logan as the greatest comic film ever. What mcu movies can be called that? TWS could not even beat DOFP in 2014 and that is the best MCU movie.

The black panther actor also spoke about how xmen influenced black panther. he wishes he was magneto.
https://screenrant.com/black-panther-tchalla-killmonger-magneto-xavier/

At this point, xmen joining mcu disney, is like a legendary rock star begging to be a Justin Bieber music video.Directors care about story telling, characters and depth and having the creative freedom to do what they want. Nolan was point about what made xmen 1 work in an intellectual way. Disney does not offer that in their mcu movies. x-men movies needs that.


TDK=Logan
Batman Begins = X2
TDKR = DOFP.


Poll these movies anywhere, you will hardly see any big arguments because they are so similar is style and tone not to mention the grounded world these films are set in with less colourful CGI. this is one of the reasons xmen fans and batman fans get along so well. their worlds are similar.

lol you’re really reaching here, man.