The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[ADollarADay]

The interesting point is that Sony is ABSOLUTELY planning on bringing Spidey into the Venomverse. If Feige isnt ok with either having two separate Web Slingers, or sharing Holland, this could be another obstacle in extending the deal.

I think it's unlikely this deal gets resigned. The only thing I'm not 100% sure about is if the deal runs through FFH or a sequel to it.

Ignore for a second that the author was wrong about Venom not releasing. He's right about his overall conclusion.

https://www.mtrnetwork.net/news/sony-lost-spider-man/

Because once this current handshake deal is over, Disney/Marvel have no incentive to continue to work with Sony for free. Remember, this deal is basically one major studio making a film for another major studio, and getting none of the money made from the film. This is where the merchandising rights come in. Sony is looking to build its own cinematic universe outside of the MCU with other Spider-Man characters they own. They have a Venom movie scheduled to come out next year (not happening) as well as a Black Cat & Silver Sable movie. But here’s the thing: If the merchandising rights are anything like film rights, guess who owns the merchandising rights for both those films? Disney/Marvel do. Therefore the idea that Disney/Marvel will keep the terms of the deal the same once the trilogy ends makes no sense. What business would agree to a deal that involves them keeping what they already have with nothing extra coming in?

Disney has no reason to want to resign with Sony unless Sony loosens the grip they have on the license. Their sandbox pretty much doubled. SM did not really add all that much to the BO of CW and IW. Being tied to the MCU really helped SM:HC. SM classical merchandise is pretty consistent year in and year out. Movie sales merchandise get a spike when a movie is released. Disney still has to pay Sony a percentage of the BO gross for SM movies (even spin offs), albeit less than the 3.5% up to 35MM they had to. Disney has no incentive to resign the deal as is.

Sony has plans for the characters they have the live action movie rights to. They have no reason to give up the grip they have on the license unless Disney pays them. It's a valuable license and they can exploit accordingly.

Either something's gotta give or the contract won't be resigned.

 

[Venom 1988]

I think it's unlikely this deal gets resigned. The only thing I'm not 100% sure about is if the deal runs through FFH or a sequel to it.

The Disney/Sony deal was for 5 movies, so the last one will be Far From Home.

 

[ADollarADay]

The Disney/Sony deal was for 5 movies, so the last one will be Far From Home.

That's what I thought, but Holland mentioned in June 2017 that he's contracted for 6.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I wish Venom looked better so I could boycott it.

Can you boycott something you don't want anyway?

 

[Venom 1988]

That's what I thought, but Holland mentioned in June 2017 that he's contracted for 6.

Yeah I forgot about that. Either Feige was mistaken when he said 5 movies (which I'm not sure he would be) or Holland's contract is specifically with Sony only and part of the contract stipulates that some of the films can be with Disney. But I'm just spit balling here

 

[Dark Raven]

Wow... I knew Sony was stupid but not this stupid. A Jackpot film?!

Disney really needs to buy Spider-Man.

Face it Iger, they're not hitting the jackpot!

 

[Bach]

Disney really needs to buy Spider-Man.

Yeah, like, soon. Otherwise we're going to have a Jackpot film in the theaters.

 

[Darkprime]

Crazy theory. Sony want to sell spiderman and all these bad spin off movies are to try and make Disney desperate to get the rights back so they pay a ridiculous amount. Like the 5 billion they wanted. I think spiderman is causing sony more trouble than its worth now since they cant use the title character. And they just want it gone.

In other words Sony is going to see how far they can go with this. Until ether one works or Disney comes in with an overpriced offer.

 

[WeaponXCII]

I don't really have anything to add to the discussion- at least not anything that hasn't already been said- but I just want to say that these latest developments from Fox and Sony are keeping me very entertained during the long wait of these next few months.

I hope they keep the jokes coming. Or should I hope they don't?

 

[Marvel united]

Watch them announce a prequel Mr. Ditkovitch from the Raimi films

 

[The Infernal]

Crazy theory. Sony want to sell spiderman and all these bad spin off movies are to try and make Disney desperate to get the rights back so they pay a ridiculous amount. Like the 5 billion they wanted. I think spiderman is causing sony more trouble than its worth now since they cant use the title character. And they just want it gone.

Part of me wants to believe that, but we know from the Sony hacks that even before the deal Sony had the same headless chicken approach to a shared universe. It's just business as usual for Pascal, Arad and co as if they've learned nothing.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

What if we get a Uncle Ben/Aunt May Renew Your Vows movie?

That’s your blockbuster Sony.

 

[ADollarADay]

Yeah I forgot about that. Either Feige was mistaken when he said 5 movies (which I'm not sure he would be) or Holland's contract is specifically with Sony only and part of the contract stipulates that some of the films can be with Disney. But I'm just spit balling here

Alternatively it can be a 6 movie deal, but Marvel has the option at 5. Also IIRC each movie is negotiated separately. If that's the case Marvel probably won't option the 6th movie.

Crazy theory. Sony want to sell spiderman and all these bad spin off movies are to try and make Disney desperate to get the rights back so they pay a ridiculous amount. Like the 5 billion they wanted. I think spiderman is causing sony more trouble than its worth now since they cant use the title character. And they just want it gone.

In other words Sony is going to see how far they can go with this. Until ether one works or Disney comes in with an overpriced offer.

If that's what they're trying to do, Iger and friends will call their bluff.

 

[Darkprime]

Look at it this way. Sony cant use the title character of their cinematic universe anymore. your now green lighting venom and otheer spin offs for what 100-150 million each? This will add up over time.

Sony will eventually realize its wasting money when nobody goes and sees these movies. Who wants to see venom without spiderman? Like for real? No one. Anyone who says otherwise is one of those weird anti mcu people yes they exist. Ive seen people on facebook claim to hate the mcu because its disney and full of "jokes".

And apparently sony is dark and edgy lol. Point is eventually sony will realise that now theyve given up the title character to the mouse their wasting money and will sell spiderman for a nice but overpriced payday. In the next 3-5 years.

Giving up spiderman to Disney was the dumbest move in terms of retaining control. Now their in contract with the house of mouse. And you can bet Disney and its lawyers will have a field day if Sony doesnt renew the contract. Bob iger himself was involved in this deal! Thats how high up this goes.

 

[ADollarADay]

Marvel Studios is pushing for Gunn to come back

https://deadline.com/2018/08/james-...disney-eleventh-hour-save-attempt-1202443199/

I think Disney will give in given Marvel, and presumably Feige, putting some pressure on Horn and the fan support and other studios trying to leech Gunn. The question is if Gunn will want to come back, but I think he will. Disney will probably make him publicly support victims of abuse and whatnot.

 

[Darkprime]

Lol someone mentioned earlier about a jackpot movie from sony? Hahahahahahaha.

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/08/09/spider-man-jackpot-spinoff-movie-in-works/

 

[Nardz937]

Sony is trolling at this point. They come on here and social media everyday and see the reactions, then they go to their office and think of what obscure C list villain they can announce a movie out next that will make everyone lose their s***. Just to get their jollies.

Watch them announce a prequel Mr. Ditkovitch from the Raimi films

Listen up, Sony. This one I want .

 

[Darkprime]

I think my theory is correct. Their seeing how far they can push this before Disney cracks and gives in and buys them back.

 

[Marvel united]

Sony is trolling at this point. They come on here and social media everyday and see the reactions, then they go to their office and think of what obscure C list villain they can announce a movie out of that will make everyone lose their s*** next. Just to get their jollies.



Listen up, Sony. This one I want .

Take my money now

 

[Rorschach2012]

Is Disney in any position to buy Spidey tho after this Fox deal? I really don’t know. I hope so. It needs to happen. 5 B is not even that crazy of a number to be honest. 3-4B seems more reasonable though.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Marvel Studios is pushing for Gunn to come back

https://deadline.com/2018/08/james-...disney-eleventh-hour-save-attempt-1202443199/

I think Disney will give in given Marvel, and presumably Feige, putting some pressure on Horn and the fan support and other studios trying to leech Gunn. The question is if Gunn will want to come back, but I think he will. Disney will probably make him publicly support victims of abuse and whatnot.

Disney gets a big side-eye if they backpeddle and bring that man back to Marvel.

 

[ADollarADay]

I think my theory is correct. Their seeing how far they can push this before Disney cracks and gives in and buys them back.

Disney ain't giving them close to that kind of money. I guarantee you that.

Is Disney in any position to buy Spidey tho after this Fox deal? I really don’t know. I hope so. It needs to happen. 5 B is not even that crazy of a number to be honest. 3-4B seems more reasonable though.

Both of those numbers are insane for what they would get. They wouldn't recoup that money anytime soon and 3B (the lowest number you mentioned) is enough for a 2nd park in DLS or a 5th gate at WDW. It could also be a good portion for a DL Texas or Chongqing.

Disney gets a big side-eye if they backpeddle and bring that man back to Marvel.

They are in a tough place. Do they want to lose Gunn and have the GoTG3 actors phone in their performance/walk away AND possibly lose Kevin Feige? If Feige is asking for Gunn back, then Horn and Iger will hear him. They have heard him before when the MCU wasn't as successful as it is today.

 

[Darkprime]

Disney already made like 3 billion at the box office this year. 3-5 billion would be change for Disney after the fox deal.

 

[ADollarADay]

Disney already made like 3 billion at the box office this year. 3-5 billion would be change for Disney after the fox deal.

I'm glad you're not in charge of DIS.

 

[Darkprime]

So whats triggered all this sony verse news I wonder? Is something happening behind the scenes between Disney and Sony in regards to spiderman?