The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Detective Conan]

Daredevil doesn’t need to be rebooted but Iron Fist can and should IMO. But honestly I don’t ever see Daredevil making it to the movies. At least as long as Feige is in charge. Let’s not forget the reason Feige didn’t want to do a Daredevil film in the first place is because he felt the character would have to be tone down to fit PG-13 space the MCU operates in and that wouldn’t be appropriate for the character given the darker/adult nature of most of his stories.

In order for the character to come into the movies at this point I feel you have to reboot the entire MCU which they’re definitely not going to be doing in the near future.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The shows being dark is essentially the solely reason of why these characters would be rebooted, so they have a tone that matches the overall MCU. Saying it won't happen because you don't like the idea isn't exactly a valid argument. Only people at Disney knows for certain what's going to happen. Thing is, two shows have already been cancelled. This could mean Heroes for Hire or something else. But taking into account that Netflix wants to build their own universe with their own superheroes, I don't see Marvel's properties continuing there for much longer. I'm not saying they'll be rebooted, though. Disney may intend to transfer those shows to Hulu in the future.

Also, I don't get how this logic works.

My logic is simple: if they planned on making them into movies, the show wouldn't exist. They would have been put on the Phase _ slate for films, and the show would never have happened. Marvel has more $$$ making potential on films, so if they felt he was good enough to be a 100+ mil blockbuster that makes Marvel (not Netflix) boat loads of money, then why is he a show? Heck, Feige was willing to let FOX keep Daredevil in order to get Surfer and Galactus by reports years ago. Clearly the Devil of Hell's Kithcen was never a high priority for him. Same applies for the other Defenders. If they felt they would make 100s of millions of glorious box office dollars, they would have done that and not made them lower budget shows where they don't get glorious box office dollars. I think a transfer to Hulu is more likely than a PG-13 movie reboot of these characters. The Hulu move I can easily see happening.

 

[ironwez20]

That's cool. But again, the shows are intended to be MCU shows. So until such time, them not fitting for you doesn't matter. At this point in time, the Netflix characters are the MCU versions of those characters. That's the current reality. The writers and such have even said in the past they have had to be reigned in when the movie people said someone couldn't be used or an event needed changing. I remember a comment by one of the JJ writers on this, and also the fact they had to use the Claire Temple version of Night Nurse on the shows.

Sorry if I am too forward on this, but I just feel like I have to put in this reality check for people.

Ok..... but I don’t see it that way it doesn’t fit to me. I feel like it’s loosky based but hey

 

[Marvel united]

My logic is simple: if they planned on making them into movies, the show wouldn't exist. They would have been put on the Phase _ slate for films, and the show would never have happened. Marvel has more $$$ making potential on films, so if they felt he was good enough to be a 100+ mil blockbuster that makes Marvel (not Netflix) boat loads of money, then why is he a show? Heck, Feige was willing to let FOX keep Daredevil in order to get Surfer and Galactus by reports years ago. Clearly the Devil of Hell's Kithcen was never a high priority for him. Same applies for the other Defenders. If they felt they would make 100s of millions of glorious box office dollars, they would have done that and not made them lower budget shows where they don't get glorious box office dollars. I think a transfer to Hulu is more likely than a PG-13 movie reboot of these characters. The Hulu move I can easily see happening.

That was 5-6 years ago when Feige had those plans. A lot can change between 2013 and 2020. Feige may NOW have a plan for Daredevil and all of the other Netflix characters. They aren't the MCU versions. Feige and Marvel have nothing to do with these characters and Disney is clearly distancing itself from these shows. Cage and Iron Fist have already been cancelled. Daredevil may be next.

And MCU Daredevil doesnt have to equal a solo. He can easily be a supporting character in other movies like Spider-Man and the Avengers.

And to say Marvel is afraid to tackle serious themes or doesn't want to, is pretty ridiculous imo. The X-Men and mutants are coming to the MCU along with all of the themes of racism and homophobia that that franchise brings. Are you saying Feige won't be interested in doing the X-Men property justice and will banish them to Netflix because they can't tackle these themes?

 

[Darkprime]

Iger @ 8:35 says they have just a few more markets to get approval in before final approval. And he also talks about China approval.

 

[Abudefduf]

Another thing that Marvel could do would be to only reboot the bad/unsuccessful shows and leave Daredevil and Jessica Jones alone.

For example, I don't believe for a minute that Lockjaw's acting career ended with the failure of Inhumans.

 

[Dark Raven]

Lockjaw's in the doghouse, and unfortunately the other Inhumans have joined him. As for Medusa, she's hair today, gone tomorrow.

 

[Detective Conan]

I see no reason for Marvel to take on the Inhumans when they’re already working on the Eternals and in the near future possibly going to be working on the X-Men(which ironically enough at one point the Inhumans was originally supposed to serve as the MCU replacement of them).

I understand fans want the Inhumans to be done justice but we’re likely not going to be seeing the Inhumans on screen again for a very long time. Like I said with Daredevil, that’s a property I can’t see crossing over into the Marvel movies until the rest of the MCU is totally rebooted and after Feige is no longer calling the shots. The Inhumans is going to be dead for a while, I’m afraid.

 

[Dark Raven]

I see no reason for Marvel to take on the Inhumans when they’re already working on the Eternals and in the near future possibly going to be working on the X-Men(which ironically enough at one point the Inhumans was originally supposed to serve as the MCU replacement of them).

I understand fans want the Inhumans to be done justice but we’re likely not going to be seeing the Inhumans on screen again for a very long time. Like I said with Daredevil, that’s a property I can’t see crossing over into the Marvel movies until the rest of the MCU is totally rebooted and after Feige is no longer calling the shots. The Inhumans is going to be dead for a while, I’m afraid.

Well at least they're in Hawaii where they can show up either on Hawaii Five-0 or Magnum PI now. If Triton can make himself look more human, he could blend in with one of the Hawaiians. Same with Karnak.

 

[Detective Conan]

Thank god, I stopped watching Inhumans after the first episode. Feel bad for those of you who were actually able to finish all eight episodes. It must’ve been rough, I’m sure.

 

[Dark Raven]

Thank god, I stopped watching Inhumans after the first episode. Feel bad for those of you who were actually able to finish all eight episodes. It must’ve been rough, I’m sure.

You said to yourself, "The buck stops here"?

 

[PsylockeBlackWidow]

I known this deal will most likely go through, but if Disney/Fox want to avoid the risk of a China rejection b/c of trade war they should just scrap the deal now or pull out of the Chinese market altogether.

 

[WeaponXCII]

Another thing that Marvel could do would be to only reboot the bad/unsuccessful shows and leave Daredevil and Jessica Jones alone.

For example, I don't believe for a minute that Lockjaw's acting career ended with the failure of Inhumans.

My only hesitation is that I feel like this mindset would lead to a sense of... what's the word?... complacency? Yeah, complacency from the outset for new shows being developed- say, a Moon Knight series: "Ehhh, if it doesn't work this time around, I guess we could always just redo it."

 

[Darkprime]

I known this deal will most likely go through, but if Disney/Fox want to avoid the risk of a China rejection b/c of trade war they should just scrap the deal now or pull out of the Chinese market altogether.

We've already had some evidence China will approve the deal. why even say things like that?

 

[Detective Conan]

I known this deal will most likely go through, but if Disney/Fox want to avoid the risk of a China rejection b/c of trade war they should just scrap the deal now or pull out of the Chinese market altogether.

But China is such a big market, though, I think it would be rather inconceivable for Disney to pull out of such a big market that’s grown exponentially over the years(it’s going to replace the Amera as the biggest market for movies in the next coming years). Not to mention, Disney theme parks and Marvel movies are really popular in that region so I just cannot see Disney just pulling out the world’s second largest market for movies. It wouldn’t be good business acumen imo.

 

[PsylockeBlackWidow]

After the midterm election results and Trump rhetorics, with the trade war with China I feel like Disney might have to scrap the deal with Fox to just avoid the risk of rejection by a pissed off China. I just hope to god that China not be that really stupid and actually leave politics out of a review of a merger.

 

[Darkprime]

I just hope to god that China not be that really stupid and actually leave politics out of a review of a merger.

Its only a rumor but if this is any indication we have nothing to worry about. Disney has a good relationship with China and they've invested a lot of infrastructure over there.

China said to approve Disney, Fox deal without conditions, Dealreporter says FOXA;DIS - The Fly

 

[Dark Raven]

Why would Disney scrap the whole deal with Fox just because of China, when it's so near completion? What a joke that would be.

 

[Marvel united]

What does the midterms have to do with the outcome of the deal? The DOJ already approved it.

 

[WeaponXCII]

Iger @ 8:35 says they have just a few more markets to get approval in before final approval. And he also talks about China approval.

Great news! Looks like there might be a few more approvals that we haven't heard about. I also liked how he took a moment before the interview to address the shooting. Iger sure is a classy guy, and I can't wait to see how successful the Fox properties are under him.

 

[Dark Raven]

If Marvel did reboot Iron Fist, they could have him feature alongside all the other Marvel heroes like in this Marvel Universe Live Disney event.

Here Iron Fist is in full costume next to everyone else.

Marvel Universe LIVE! | Book tickets direct with Disney UK - Disney UK

Now of course, it might not be quite movie level, but it still looks pretty good. Most of the costumes are based on the Marvel movies.

It's funny they picked him out of all the Netflix characters. They didn't have DD or Luke Cage there. But here, Iron Fist looks like a full and proper superhero.

 

[Abudefduf]

Well, isn't that interesting. It's clear that Marvel knows Iron Fist has movie potential.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That was 5-6 years ago when Feige had those plans. A lot can change between 2013 and 2020. Feige may NOW have a plan for Daredevil and all of the other Netflix characters. They aren't the MCU versions. Feige and Marvel have nothing to do with these characters and Disney is clearly distancing itself from these shows. Cage and Iron Fist have already been cancelled. Daredevil may be next.

And MCU Daredevil doesnt have to equal a solo. He can easily be a supporting character in other movies like Spider-Man and the Avengers.

And to say Marvel is afraid to tackle serious themes or doesn't want to, is pretty ridiculous imo. The X-Men and mutants are coming to the MCU along with all of the themes of racism and homophobia that that franchise brings. Are you saying Feige won't be interested in doing the X-Men property justice and will banish them to Netflix because they can't tackle these themes?

Disney are not distancing themselves from the shows. Netflix it's. They're the ones with say on if they're cancelled or not. Whether it was 5 years ago doesn't matter. If they had faith in them add movies, they would have been movies. Period.

 

[ironwez20]

It def feel like marvel will make there own versions of the characters like iron fist and cage

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I can't really see a problem with Disney using Daredevil, Iron Fist etc. in films or streaming series without any real 'reboot'.

Matt Murdock is a blind lawyer who practices law with his friend Foggy Nelson. His father was a boxer who died when he was young, and now he takes on the persona of masked vigilante "Daredevil" to fight crime in his neighborhood of Hells Kitchen etc. etc. etc.

Danny Rand is a wealthy businessman who gained the power of "The Imortal Iron Fist" after studying in K'un L'n and defeating the dragon Shou-Lao etc. etc. etc.

Marvel could easily drop new actors into the roles and use them however they want in the future, and I don't see how the Netflix series would limit them in any meaningful way.

It's just like in the comics, different artists and writers have slightly different takes. The characters shift and evolve over time, but readers are, and should be forgiving enough that they won't say: "Hey! That can't happen because in issue 125 on page 12 in the 4th panel, the character said "XXXX".

If Marvel is going to be making films and TV shows for the next 30 years, they need to pin themselves, to some extent, to the comic books and films that have come before, but we need to give them reasonable wiggle room to continue to create and tell new stories.