The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Darkprime]

Since when has the Quantum Realm ever been the cause of the X-Gene activating in a host? Usually when a mutation is forced into an individual (such could be the case with Pietro and Wanda) it's still from a natural source.

Also Sinister is technically not a mutant, he's a mutate like Spider-Man and the F4. He was obsessed with mutants, though. Idk Janet being a mutant is a forced, tenuous connection that does not need to be made. The only connection that needs to be made is to the Maximoff twins

If the movies have shown us anything its that they aren't afraid to deviate from the source material. I wont be surprised at all if the quantum realm plays a part in creating both the F4 and Mutants. More likely I think reversing the Thanos snap will be one of the primary causes but I'm by no means ruling out the quantum realm playing some part in the MCU's future expansion with F4 and Mutants.

 

[Dark Raven]

They could just say that the particle accelerator explosion's blast radius was much wider than they originally believed, and so it spread beyond Central City and the DC universe into the Marvel universe and caused the mutants and the FF.

 

[Endeavor]

But they still had the X-gene dormant in them, whether it manifested naturally or needed some help.

But someone like Spider-Man, as far as his original story goes, had no X-gene at all. When he was bitten by the spider, it imbued him with powers rather than triggered latent ones. Hulk was supposed to be that too. However, the Incredible Hulk #312 and the Ang Lee film seems to retcon that, as if to say that he was a mutant and the gamma bomb (or accident in whatever form it took) only triggered what was already there. I prefer the original version established by Lee and Kirby that it simply gave an ordinary human extraordinary powers.

Other characters falling into the similar "mutate" category are the likes of Daredevil, Luke Cage, even Carol Danvers.

Yes, so they were mutants because of the X-Gene, but they were still called Mutates in the books.
Go back to the X-Tinction Agenda crossover. The word was used extensively.
I'm just explaining that, canonically, the word doesn't only apply to characters like Spidey as you mentioned.

 

[Endeavor]

Since when has the Quantum Realm ever been the cause of the X-Gene activating in a host? Usually when a mutation is forced into an individual (such could be the case with Pietro and Wanda) it's still from a natural source..

Also Sinister is technically not a mutant, he's a mutate like Spider-Man and the F4. He was obsessed with mutants, though. Idk Janet being a mutant is a forced, tenuous connection that does not need to be made. If Janet was truly a mutant, her power would have kicked in wayyy earlier in life, during puberty - from a natural situation.

The only connection that needs to be made is to the Maximoff twins

I wasn't advocating the Quantum Realm causing the emergence of the X-Gene. I was merely explaining that the word mutate can be used for mutants as well, not just ordinary humans that are changed.

 

[Marvel united]

If the movies have shown us anything its that they aren't afraid to deviate from the source material. I wont be surprised at all if the quantum realm plays a part in creating both the F4 and Mutants. More likely I think reversing the Thanos snap will be one of the primary causes but I'm by no means ruling out the quantum realm playing some part in the MCU's future expansion with F4 and Mutants.

I'd be very surprised to see Feige undermine the entire concept of mutants by changing the way the X-Gene manifests in individuals on such a drastic level. Maybe Josh Trank would do this but definitely not Feige.

Also all of the "We are the future", natural evolution, hating people people because they are born different etc all of that stuff completely goes out the window. At that point, it ceases to be the X-Men.

The Fantastic Four on the other hand -- it takes away the uniqueness that they like their origin brings to the MCU. No longer are they space explorers, no longer is Reed is a futurist because there's nothing idealistic about wanting shrink down into another universe. Now he's just Hank Pym clone.

Every character in the MCU so far has had a unique origin story that was true to the their comic roots. There's no reason to shoehorn in the Quantum Realm into the X-Men and Fantastic Four's existence of being.

 

[Zorro]

Are Disney willing to sell some IP's? There's no way they'll be doing any Alien, Predator or Die Hard films..which may be a good thing but will they partner with Dark Horse for more comics or make games?

I joked about this yesterday but don't see them doing any rides at Disney for these characters

 

[Dark Raven]

Yes, so they were mutants because of the X-Gene, but they were still called Mutates in the books.
Go back to the X-Tinction Agenda crossover. The word was used extensively.
I'm just explaining that, canonically, the word doesn't only apply to characters like Spidey as you mentioned.

I didn't know which word you were referring to.

I wasn't aware of whether in the X-Men comics, they used the word "mutates" or not. I was using it merely off the top of my head as a technical term to explain what had happened to the likes of Spidey, the FF, DD, Carol Danvers, Hulk etc. Their DNA was mutated, hence the word "mutate". I wasn't using any official term from the comics.

We can always use a different word to describe Spidey, the FF etc, if you like, since the comics officially use "mutates" for a specific usage, but my point still stands. They're different to someone who had the X-Gene from birth.

 

[Drunken Rider]

From me? How so? I don't care if those people are still bitter. You won't find me tweeting about them, I don't make videos, not big posts completly trashing them.

I sympathise with them over the job layoffs

Not referring to you my dude, but I was referring to the peeps tweeting about it.

 

[Zorro]

Ah my bad lol

 

[Darkprime]

Are Disney willing to sell some IP's? There's no way they'll be doing any Alien, Predator or Die Hard films..which may be a good thing but will they partner with Dark Horse for more comics or make games?

I joked about this yesterday but don't see them doing any rides at Disney for these characters

The more mature stuff like Alien, Kingsman, Planet of the Apes, Die-Hard etc will end up on Hulu.

 

[Zorro]

Cool with me

 

[Endeavor]

Also Sinister is technically not a mutant, he's a mutate like Spider-Man and the F4.

He's both.
The first time they delved into his backstory there were hints from Apocalypse that he was awakening something that was already there. Meaning Essex had the X-Gene, it was just dormant.

Idk Janet being a mutant is a forced, tenuous connection that does not need to be made.

I don't want Janet to be a mutant. It is forced and unnecessary. Her words in AM&TW do not have to mean she became a mutant... And if the Quantum Realm IS used to link to the appearance of more mutants it doesn't have to mean that those energies created the X-Gene...
It could just mean that having those energies be exposed to the general population of the planet awakens the mutation that was already present in some individuals. Those people would be mutants (latent). It's the same scenario we are hoping (at least I am) they show happened with the Maximoff twins. The exposure to the mind gem energies activated something that was already there. Similarly, the exposure to another exotic energy, quatum realm particles, activates the X-Gene in humans who otherwise would've gone their whole lives with it dormant. Any other human (baseline human) that would be affected, like Janet was, would fall under the same category as Carol Danvers, who

Spoiler

like the Maximoffs gained powers from an Infinity Stone, but is not a mutant

. Whether they want to call those people mutates, or just superhumans, remains to be seen.

 

[Darkprime]

I wonder if Feige got the green light to start developing the fox properties on Wednesday morning or is still waiting for the call.

 

[Endeavor]

I wonder if Feige got the green light to start developing the fox properties on Wednesday morning or is still waiting for the call.

I'm pretty sure he preemptively asked the higher ups and lawyers when he could start and had been told "the moment the deal closes". So, he had a countdown clock, one more accurate than what we had here, and took off the moment 12:02 AM came around.
That's when he made calls for the screenwriters he already had in mind and handed out tasks to his production team, artists included.

 

[Marvel united]

He's both.
The first time they delved into his backstory there were hints from Apocalypse that he was awakening something that was already there. Meaning Essex had the X-Gene, it was just dormant.

Ehhh, all Apocalypse did was use Celestial technology to mutate Sinister into something more than human. I don't see how that constitutes as him having the X-Gene activated in him when he's not even classified as a mutant. Just like what he did to Warren, the mutation was totally unnatural.

I don't want Janet to be a mutant. It is forced and unnecessary. Her words in AM&TW do not have to mean she became a mutant... And if the Quantum Realm IS used to link to the appearance of more mutants it doesn't have to mean that those energies created the X-Gene...
It could just mean that having those energies be exposed to the general population of the planet awakens the mutation that was already present in some individuals. Those people would be mutants (latent). It's the same scenario we are hoping (at least I am) they show happened with the Maximoff twins. The exposure to the mind gem energies activated something that was already there. Similarly, the exposure to another exotic energy, quatum realm particles, activates the X-Gene in humans who otherwise would've gone their whole lives with it dormant. Any other human (baseline human) that would be affected, like Janet was, would fall under the same category as Carol Danvers, who

Spoiler

like the Maximoffs gained powers from an Infinity Stone, but is not a mutant

. Whether they want to call those people mutates, or just superhumans, remains to be seen.

But like, that's not how the X-Gene is suppose to work. If some Quantum Realm energy just started mutating people, they'd be no different from Spider-Man or even the aforementioned Sinister. What makes mutants a threat is their continuing evolution that stems from natural means. You can't control something that is suppose to happen as part of nature's plan. Just like humans can't stop a Tornado, Hurricane or any other natural disaster. That's what makes the the prospects of mutant kind so terrifying to people. The Quantum Realm does not even exist in the same plane of existence as normal humans, it is not natural. There is nothing about Quantum Realm mutants that spells doom for humanity as a species because a one time event that sends Quantum energy or whatever is not part of the natural balance of nature. How would such an event even happen anyway?

Mutants are born from birth so if Janet is a mutant so is Hulk, Cap, Spidey and T'Challa. Everybody would be a "baseline human" whose powers were caused from an external source.

 

[Web-Head]

The more mature stuff like Alien, Kingsman, Planet of the Apes, Die-Hard etc will end up on Hulu.

No, probably not, lol. They'll just release it under the Fox banner in theaters

 

[Darkprime]

Ehhh, all Apocalypse did was use Celestial technology to mutate Sinister into something more than human. I don't see how that constitutes as him having the X-Gene activated in him when he's not even classified as a mutant. Just like what he did to Warren, the mutation was totally unnatural.


But like, that's not how the X-Gene is suppose to work. If some Quantum Realm energy just started mutating people, they'd be no different from Spider-Man or even the aforementioned Sinister. What makes mutants a threat is their continuing evolution that stems from natural means. You can't control something that is suppose to happen as part of nature's plan. Just like humans can't stop a Tornado, Hurricane or any other natural disaster. That's what makes the the prospects of mutant kind so terrifying to people. The Quantum Realm does not even exist in the same plane of existence as normal humans, it is not natural. There is nothing about Quantum Realm mutants that spells doom for humanity as a species because a one time event that sends Quantum energy or whatever is not part of the natural balance of nature. How would such an event even happen anyway?

Mutants are born from birth so if Janet is a mutant so is Hulk, Cap, Spidey and T'Challa. Everybody would be a "baseline human" whose powers were caused from an external source.

Maybe the events of ant-man and the wasp caused some sort of leak in the quantum realm. This is how the F4 get out. And Quantum energy starts leaking into the world and introduces the x-gene and mutant phenomenon.

 

[Darkprime]

No, probably not, lol. They'll just release it under the Fox banner in theaters

Disney's Streaming Service Finds a Place for Adult-Oriented Content

So yes this is where the more mature fox catalog of films will end up.

 

[Web-Head]

Disney's Streaming Service Finds a Place for Adult-Oriented Content

So yes this is where the more mature fox catalog of films will end up.

After a theatrical release. They're not just gonna put Kingsman 3 on Hulu. Both films made over $400 million.
That article has nothing to do with movies

 

[Endeavor]

But like, that's not how the X-Gene is suppose to work. If some Quantum Realm energy just started mutating people, they'd be no different from Spider-Man or even the aforementioned Sinister. What makes mutants a threat is their continuing evolution that stems from natural means. You can't control something that is suppose to happen as part of nature's plan. Just like humans can't stop a Tornado, Hurricane or any other natural disaster. That's what makes the the prospects of mutant kind so terrifying to people. The Quantum Realm does not even exist in the same plane of existence as normal humans, it is not natural. There is nothing about Quantum Realm mutants that spells doom for humanity as a species because a one time event that sends Quantum energy or whatever is not part of the natural balance of nature. How would such an event even happen anyway?

You made the connection to Maximoffs yourself in an earlier post. So why do you accept the X-Gene working that way with mind gem energies, but are so opposed to the exact same thing happening, just because the other weird energy has the words Quantum Realm in it?

Mutants are born from birth so if Janet is a mutant so is Hulk, Cap, Spidey and T'Challa. Everybody would be a "baseline human" whose powers were caused from an external source.

I didn't say Janet was a mutant. I specifically said I didn't like that idea and mentioned it wasn't necessary... It was one of the 2 main points I mentioned in the post you quoted.

 

[Darkprime]

After a theatrical release. They're not just gonna put Kingsman 3 on Hulu. Both films made over $400 million.
That article has nothing to do with movies

I never said they were going to put theatrical releases on Hulu.

 

[Detective Conan]

Fantastic Four and X-Men are now forever safe and home at Marvel Studios. Now Spidey is the one to worry about. Fingers crossed we don't lose him but man Arad got really vindicated with the immense success of Venom.

 

[Web-Head]

I never said they were going to put theatrical releases on Hulu.

You said more mature content like Aliens and Kingsman will go on Hulu...

 

[Zorro]

They aren't going to put the old films of those franchises on Disney + or Netflix. Hulu seems pretty obvious

 

[Web-Head]

They aren't going to put the old films of those franchises on Disney + or Netflix. Hulu seems pretty obvious

Right. I was referring to new releases of those franchises. It's not like they're going to put Deadpool 3 straight to Hulu